Vedant and Modi: More Indian Shenanigrans

Here is a picture below of Swami Satya Vedant and the new prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi as recently as 2012 chumming up with each other.  Vedant had just given Modi  230 Osho Books when he was the Governor of Gujarat state!  And then claimed Modi as an ‘Osho Lover”.

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Swami Satya Vedant  is a leading person at “Osho World”. and formerly within the standard Pune hierarchy. He was initiated into Sannyas in 1975 the same year as myself,  but seems to have been blind to some of the import of what Osho was about.

One is amazed.  Why are leading people in Osho World, and in Tapoban, both who want to reoccupy the Pune Resort, toadying up to Indian politicians of a Nationalist Hindu party, and in Modi’s case someone who has a really suspect past. And why toady up to  the Indian establishment anyway ?

Homosexuality for example in India is still illegal. That is why India harbours more hidden “Aids” cases than any other country.  (Hidden aids cases are of course one of the main reasons why it continues to spread with such force in the sub-continent). Why is no radical party in Indian arguing a change in  the law,  to try and tackle this plague of which Osho himself gave the fullest warning. Now that might be a political party that deserves some sannyas support.

Another example: A few months before the Indian General Election a book was withdrawn by “Penguin” in India, and remaining copies pulped.  It is a critical account of Hinduism, and very good, by Wendy Doninger and now  unavailable in India. . Penguin clearly toadying up to what they saw as the emergent new powers of Hindu nationalists, like Modi. (You can get the book in the UK through Oxford University Press, it is called “The Hindus: An alternative History”).

At the time the properly renowned Indian novelist, Arundhati Roy, wrote an open letter to Penguin, saying amongst other things

“You must tell us what happened. What terrified you?”

She was right to do so. They were clearly terrified, for one thing,  of their loss of profits if they continued to publish the book and suffered the ire of the freshly elected Modi regime.

Osho loved books. He would not have been making alliances to those whose views are so narrow, they will not allow criticism of their beliefs and practices and go to the extent of engineering the pulping of such a good book.

In the wider picture it shows the political instincts of those who want to “take over” the Pune Resort,  which they see mainly as an Indian style samadhi.   I see no advantage in such people “taking over the ashram”, whatever the faults of the present incumbents.

Parmartha (Editor/SannyasNews)

 

 

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103 Responses to Vedant and Modi: More Indian Shenanigrans

  1. Shantam Prem says:

    Parmartha, can you conceive a picture which is bigger than your mind´s frame?

    • satyadeva says:

      One might ask the same question of you, Shantam!

      This behaviour of Arun and Satya Vedant (and ‘Penguin’) seems based on fear, fear of the new forces taking over India, and perhaps understandable, given Modi & co’s track record.

      But despite their efforts, I’d bet there’s probably every chance of eventual harassment, with compromise the favoured option of these Indian sannyasin ‘vip’s, compromise ensuring all-round mediocrity.

      In other words, the chances are the Pune ashram will become an even more watered-down version of itself, at best just another place of religious pilgrimage, just another stop on the spiritual tourist trail, essentially little or nothing to do with Osho.

      Not much of a prospect then. But anyway, ultimately what an enormous waste of time and energy to focus on one place, where a master used to live. I thought the point of Sannyas was individual liberation, including liberation from such binding attachments to the past, including to such a crypto-religious mentality.

      • Shantam Prem says:

        I feel nauseating when I read such rational gentlemen like you, Mr. SD.
        It seems like you were raised with the books where it was written, “It is the most respectful form of love, when you touch each other with hands covered in surgical gloves.”

        • anand yogi says:

          Indeed, Shantam, can one ever think of a more absurd form of love than that conducted with surgical gloves, rubber condoms and non-exchanging of bodily fluids?

          Only an utterly insane and perverted man could come up with such ideas, do you not think?!
          Have you ever met such a man, bhai?
          I think not!

          Parmartha is obsessed with homosexuality, which shows very well his unsattvic and spiritually ignorant mind. He is clearly muddled, whereas you, Bhai, clearly know the truth behind why it is absolutely necessary for spiritual cleansing of the ashram with the help of Modi and the Hindus…

          So then, you, Shantam, can go back to Pune and take your rightful place as a spiritual Zamindar and rent out your property at a good price and maybe exercise your rightfully earned droit-de-seigneur on your tenants, thus fulfilling your true dharma and destiny as you have done in years gone by, rather than suffering the unthinkable humiliation for a man of your talents and background of begging fecklessly from the gora to live and cleaning his toilets in a spiritual wasteland!

          It is a noble plan!
          The future is bright!
          The future is orange (with a mala)!

          Namaste!
          India is great!
          Yahoo!

          • Parmartha says:

            Maybe I am one of the few here who experienced this type of love-making mentioned by the inestimable Anand Yogi… –
            “Can one ever think of a more absurd form of love than that conducted with surgical gloves, rubber condoms and non-exchanging of bodily fluids?”

            Yes it was a trip, arguably calculated to put the whole world off sex!

            It was, of course, at Osho’s direction, and to stop the spread of Aids. Osho did at the same time recommend celibacy as the preferred option…quite a change from our previously tantric Master!

        • satyadeva says:

          Glad I hit the target, Mr “Nauseating”, thanks.

          Btw, should you prefer to be termed ‘a piece of waste matter’ and/or be advised to ‘go forth and multiply’, do let me know, ok?

    • Parmartha says:

      Not at all sure what you mean, Shantam?

      Are you saying there is some ‘bigger’ picture concealed from me in which the “strange” seeking of an alliance with the Hindu Right by Arun and Vedant, and many others, has some hidden presuppositions of which I am unaware?

      I am in fact fully aware of why they may want such an alliance. They want some state-led intervention at the Osho Resort, and turn it into a ‘proper’ Indian Samadhi…just the sort of thing the BJP might support….

      • Shantam Prem says:

        Parmartha,
        Can you imagine you too have already the answers and opinion and prejudice, and therefore anything alien to this thought will be rejected?

        So discussion becomes fruitless.

  2. Arpana says:

    Shantam chuddie filler, can you conceive a picture which is bigger than your mind´s frame?

  3. anand yogi says:

    Again, Shantam speaks the truth!
    It is absolutely necessary to see the bigger picture than the western mind’s frame!

    It is impossible for the western mind to grasp the reality of India and hence projects own western values upon it!

    If man has been responsible for genocide, rape and many other felonies like majority of members of Indian parliament, then victims must have had some bad karma, so Modi in Gujurat was not responsible, but the victims!

    But the ignorant western mind is not party to this kind of knowledge that only those versed in the ways of India like Shantam, Satya Vedant, Arun and myself can understand!

    Also in India we will not tolerate enforced western homosexuality and other perversions, which do not exist here but only in the West. Shantam and I do not wish to catch Aids from western perverts!

    Also, we have too much anal pride, which can be seen in our writings every day!

    It is not surprising that the only contributor on Sannyas News who can see beyond the frame of the picture is Shantam, as he does not waste time with therapy but is well-versed in astrology, the Vedic science of starsigns.

    Ridiculous attempts at psycho-analysis of politicians are simply mind rubbish whereas the fact that Modi is a Virgo with Scorpio moon and Satya Vedant`s Mercury is retrograde is far more significant…

    Arun,Satya Vedant and all the True Sannyasis must build as many bridges with the Indian government as possible and remove the criminal foreigners who have taken over Osho’s Samadhi with their fascistic rule before we can have “One India, Great India”.

    I look forward to the day when Narendra Modi, accompagnied by his close confidants, enters the Osho Samadhi for a prayer meeting,flanked by Satya Vedant and Arun.

    And I can only pray for the mercy that myself and Shantam will be there to see this occasion, which will certainly be the culmination of Osho`s vision!

    Hari Om!
    Yahoo!
    Osho!

    • lokesh says:

      Funniest contributor on SN. Brilliant satire.

      • anand yogi says:

        It can be no surprise that Lokesh, the failed ex-sannyasin of 32 years cannot tell the difference between satire and Satya – divine truth!

        This is because he also cannot tell the difference between a great yogi who is the embodiment of the qualities of Zorba the Buddha and a fanatical chauvinistic genocidist!

        Shantam has deeply disappointed me by taking up with the American female who has perverted our noble religion. Yet in his favour, I must say that he has battled tirelessly and heroically against the egoistical, neo-colonialist abuse and oppression from the mind of the Scotsman whose national emblem is a bag of wind!

        Shantam has responded in the true style of his forebears and ancestors, and in the face of the onslaught from the drug-crazed Caledonian who is little more than a Glasgow skinhead, Shantam has not budged an inch and has refused to change either his firm religious convictions or his Kacchera (holy underwear).

        Hari Om!

        Lokesh also believes that the so-called “humour” of that vilest of all vile and failed ex-sannyasin baboondogs, Frank, is “funny”.

        This man, who instead of following Osho’s yogic path and becoming an embodiment of Osho’s vison of Zorba the Buddha, has spent decades doing odd jobs of manual labour, singing, dancing, chasing women, drinking heavily, abusing and laughing at righteous religious souls, whilst seeking pleasure at every juncture!

        As Arun made clear in his article: great religions and countries are not made by mobs or masses having their own stupid ideas but by great men, like Modi and Arun, who use their willpower to direct them!

        That is why Arun’s disciples are obeying his orders not to come to Sannyas News and waste energy with these depraved westerners who have abused Osho’s freedom.

        By kowtowing and grovelling to Arun’s greater wisdom these humble and devoted disciples will find a greater karmic reward when the criminal Anglo-Saxon alcoholics are spiritually cleansed from our great land and our religion of a thousand Yugas starts to operate from Pune Samadhi!

        Hari Om!
        Yahoo!
        India is Great!

  4. Anand Newman says:

    This thread reminds me of Indian National Congress Party in recent general elections. The more they tried to sling mud on Modi, the more popularity he and his party BJP got from the people of India and finally they gave a clear verdict.

  5. frank says:

    A newly-crowned yogi is what India and the world needs.

    You will be amazed at what these yogis are able to do…

    I am not sure if this is Arun or Vedant,
    but they are clearly exponents of the siddhi.

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/58073/

  6. frank says:

    Btw,
    where are the comments from Arun’s followers?

    They are usually all over SN like a rash whenever Arun is mentioned.

    A bit of omerta, maybe.

  7. Shantam Prem says:

    Once there was a man who created the game of football. He collected the land, created the ground, made the rules and game attracted many people who never thought they can play such a game.

    Then the man died. The people who were engaged to take care of the grass of the ground were of different mind. They did not, too many rowdies running here and there.

    So they came on the idea: Why not we change the structure of the ground and create six Tennis courts?
    They did this.

    Even the people supporting such a move have not gone there to play Tennis.
    Few are old and sick, few have no money, and few think I don´t need any kind of ground, it gives good feeling to play bed wrestling with the wife!

  8. prem martyn says:

    What a load of third-rate Osh tosh, worrying about some brown-nosers and what they’re sniffing in Bollywood and trying to get the Oshtoshbygosh legacy right, for posteriority…kiss my Sannyasnews arse…

    Now then, there are loads of other ways people get together around the world…me, having just finished working for the female plebean equivalent of suck my working-class petty bourgeois clit, while I pay the workers peanuts on a treadmill of irrelevant social-democratic proto-educational crap…then…can anyone comment on the wonderful ways anyone actually enjoys ‘working’ for a living, ethically, without being a self-made genius, without the usual guff of wholistic breadline income jobs for bourgeois tension release, or super-grupista egomania worship or retirement home sadsanghas, which tends to make up the net contribution of our masterful alternative grand visionaries, luminaries and unrevolutionary Nepalese cycling wallahs and rotund prime minister hugging, Brian-meeting, uncleji (MOD: WHAT?) tosh-peddlers?

    I mean, there are serious opportunities in festival-loving Europe and America to actually have non-denominational fun…So SN, please stop trying to be the mouthpiece of some unspoken, heretical Sannyas that lived in a bamboo hut somewhere away from the classic world vision version that got sold at the used sangha second-hand sari market years ago…the truth-seeing heresy of wise retirees is no more than private entertainment, not a legacy workshop or some paean to ‘our dearly beloved Osho’…you know the ones with bells and whistles that shoulda coulda been….

    • satyadeva says:

      Just curious, Martyn:

      What has your inability to find fulfilling work got to do with your perception of ‘the current state of contemporary Sannyas’?

      (PS: Is it ‘the work’ that’s the ‘problem’, or is it you?).

      • prem martyn says:

        Which part of your question do I answer, the loaded you don’t approve of my diatribe part or your unspoken radical online message for the masses, 80 per cent of whom in Switzerland, eg, work in offices. Extrapolate that to Europe and hey, the levels of work satisfaction hit the roof…or are you part of the Wellville American message of Protestant self-madeism?

        Me, I’m more ‘Homage to Catalonia’…I like spreading the rebel part and making people smile, but not under the global instituitional tutelage of bureaucratic non-entities…or havent you watched ‘The Office’? And if we’re talking careers officer jargon here of work satisfaction, let’s advise all the non-hugging mindfuckers out there to just be in the moment when the bosses throw their patrimoney at you…and teach the kids I was teaching to beg from an early age…

        Unless Sannyas starts to tell bosses to fuck off instead of sniffing prime ministers’ arses…it won’t work…and Osho came much closer to reordering reality than the mediocre self-management gurus of consciousnarse…and yet institutional Sannyas is a parody of itself, despite our best efforts.

        • satyadeva says:

          But why affect to tell ‘sannyasins’ what to do in their working lives, citing your highly personal, some might say ‘eccentric’ viewpoint and set of beliefs? Plenty seem to get on ok, finding what suits them, including their own initiatives.

          At times, your obvious pleasure in broadcasting your disaffection – whether for ‘the world’ or Sannyas – can come across as more than somewhat fanatical, even at times emanating its own peculiar whiff of semi-authoritarian imperatives, despite its avowed claims to favour ‘freedom’.

          If you can’t or won’t accept a conventional work environment, if you’re unhappy there, which you say you are, and if you can’t create your own – then why bother to work? Better to stay out of it all, be ‘free’, and not contribute to your and others’ ‘misery’, isn’t it?

          • prem martyn says:

            SD, your incision is not exactly a heckle is it..? Try putting more waaaaahhhhhhh waaaahhhh umphhh into it…

            And really, despite you being so reasonable an’ all, do, yes DO at least try to stop trying, the trying to make sense, it’s awful for the complexion…ask the girls…

            Anyone say Pczarmartha?

            • satyadeva says:

              How old are you. Martyn? 56 – and still complaining nothing out there’s good enough for you? Like a terminally self-indulgent twat?

              As I said, maybe you are the problem – for you.

              • prem martyn says:

                Ahhh, but I don’t depend on your opinion, me ol’ nutter…which may surprise your ever so military, anti-depressant-dependent Larry Bonger stiffness….

                • satyadeva says:

                  And I most certainly don’t “depend” on your narcissistic rubbish, Mr Martyn!

                  I mean, what a load of old cobblers, such drivel you come out with.

                  ‘The world’s this, the world’s that, it’s so fucked-up, people in authority are such shitheads, why isn’t it the way it ‘should’ be, why isn’t everything according to how I’d ideally like it to be?’ And so on and on and on…Like a spoiled kid.

                  I’d bet you were saying similar things as a child, at home, at school, as well as in sannyas, in work, at SN, ie wherever you’ve been – it seems to be the ‘theme’ or motif of your life…Self-dramatising, often enough unintelligible drivel (and you teach English?!) which you almost certainly confuse with being a ‘super-intelligent rebel’, or something equally ‘superior’.

                  As I said, what about you? Maybe you are the problem….

  9. prem martyn says:

    Mods…re what? (MOD: uncleji!)

    It’s very simple, it’s like this…
    Anyone still wondering how it all fits together, just say:
    “Fuck Osho’s memory, piss in his mouth and shit on his grave”…
    It also works for Larry Bongites…and all sorts…Osh himself used it in his own way when having a spiritual dump on the podium…to great effect…Arun and Vedant can’t do the same and Veeresh is too busy making common sense a business… Meantime SN tries to corner the market in sanity whilst having to sanitize in its own way virtual interactions…it’s nuts…just like Sannyas always was…full of fruit and basket cases…that’s an essential ingredient of any revisiting ad infinitum…

    Turettes dynamic meditation…highly recommended for public use…

    You feel much better afterwards, you get a clean slate and…you can use it for all sorts of occasions when you’re not looking for fraternity in packages but living it instead…I used it a lot teaching English…the word ‘cunt’ and ‘fuck’ making episodic lessons.

    ttfn, SN.

  10. Parmartha says:

    On Nov 12th, 2003, Wendy Doniger was giving a lecture in London to a 200 strong audience about an alternative history of Hinduism. Some right-wing BJP supporter chose to try and pelt her with eggs mid- lecture. Well, at least it wasn’t a knife, which some other right-wing Hindu tried to throw at Osho back in 1979.

    Clearly, she has got under the skin of the Hindu fascists, and continues to do so, otherwise why would Penguin have been bullied by the BJP into pulping her books?

    Doniger sometimes does concentrate on the Sanskrit texts which were written at a time of a glorious sexual openness and insight. And good for her. At least we are given a taste of a Hinduism that is not used as a clarion call to unite all of those living south of the Indus into a ridiculous nationalism, as does the newly-elected Prime Minister.

  11. Shantam Prem says:

    Below is my text and the cover photo I have chosen for my Facebook wall in protest against the rising wave of Hindu chauvinism and in support of Wendy Doniger´s book, ‘The Hindus’.
    Amazingly, only one person clicked ‘Like’ for this photo – my sister.

    It is an historical fact when a country starts becoming prosperous, religious fundamentalism rises. India is passing through the phase similar like rise of Church in USA.
    People are holding their turf to feel secure and in control. Unfortunately, Osho people are doing the same.
    Collectively, we are in a phase of -
    Same, Same, Shame, Shame.

    Shantam Prem
    14 March (edited)

    When right-wing rigids go all the way to ban a book, anyone with brain would like to read that one. In an ordinary day, I would not have thought to buy this book, because a work of a scholarly author is banned, it created the will and temptation.

    I think Wendy Doniger knows more about her subject than those Hindus who follow only the lines preached by their priests.

    She holds two doctorates, in Sanskrit and Indian studies, from Harvard and Oxford.
    Now when I have got this book, my interest is to see how our ancestors were living, what they were thinking thousands of years ago and what kind of meat they were eating.

    Let us face it, vegetarianism is a very new concept. Idea of non-violence came into force during Buddha and Mahavira´s time.

    Can any one imagine, warriors of Ramayana and Mahabharta´s time were going for hunting after eating Dal and Rice?

    PS: People who pushed this book to be withdrawn from book stores can donate 18.10 Euros on my behalf to some charity. It is because of them I purchased this from Amazon!

    • lokesh says:

      El Chudo declares, “It is an historical fact when a country starts becoming prosperous, religious fundamentalism rises.”

      This is, of course, according to the Chud’s personal interpretation of history, while having his thick head submerged in a bucket of chuddie refuse. The historical fact is that religious fundamentalism gains a firm footing when a country is in decline. When a country becomes prosperous its inhabitants turn to such diversons as bigger cars and bigger wide-screen TVs to watch the World Cup on.

      El Chudo makes up history from day to day as it suits his purposes in an otherwise purposeless existence. Any time he precedes what he is about to write with the word ‘fact’ you can bet it can be substituted with the word ‘bullshit’.

      • satyadeva says:

        I’m afraid Shantam has this unfortunate tendency of tapping his keyboard and putting his foot in it. No known remedy, it would seem…

        Never embarrassed by such blunders either – hide of a rhino, apparently.

  12. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    Dear friends,

    I would like to share what I have found, and what is close and pretty familiar to some of the flavour Mystic Osho shared with us, onto the Saturday ´caravanserai´ tea table.
    Being sometimes utterly bored by the ongoing verbal abuse and fights here about ongoing mad and bad dreams in terms of East/ West, West /East combatants.

    The added photo to this thread does not convince me of anything, it seems to be digitally compiled and says nothing, except that the “lteotos” (MOD: WHAT?) at the back, like some other utensils (of a small office?), are going to shimmer in a plastic mural when they are plugged in (electricity).

    As we here are not into throwing eggs or tomatoes at each other, but there is this old habit of verbal abuse and bad “Dreamings” as maybe Wendy Doniger would probably say, I just want to share the urgent plea to wake up from that habit.

    And don´t worry, I DO include myself in that urge too
    and apply this kind of quest to myself.

    In midst of that, I really liked the following quote from Wendy for this morning.

    I wish us all a wonderful early summer Saturday – and some of you – if you meet for a fabulous breakfast, wish a fabulous breakfast in London.

    Love

    Madhu

    …. for breakfast table…….:
    :
    ‘THE MUTUAL DREAM’
    “Surely not only religion but all gods are made by humans, imagined by humans. The Greek philosopher Xenophanes was right….”

    by Wendy Doniger

    Surely not only religion but all gods are made by humans, imagined by humans. The Greek philosopher Xenophanes was right when he said, “If cattle and horses or lions had hands, or could draw with their feet, horses would draw the forms of god like horses.” But at the same time, humans may be god-made in the sense of imagined by the gods; perhaps horses were conceived by gods in the form of horses.

    Most of our religions are man-made, in the full sexist sense of the word, since men have, throughout recorded history, recorded and preserved in writing primarily the religions of men, ignoring the religions made by women, who generally did not have access to writing.

    Some religions are women-made, and if horses have religions (as I believe they do — they certainly see things that we don’t see), those religions may well have been invented by gods in the form of horses. To run along for a moment beside Xenophanes, we would have to admit that the fact that men (sic) in Africa and men in Norway constructed their gods quite differently suggests that they are not all painting their portraits of a single subject sitting for them in the middle of the cosmic room.

    Yet Mircea Eliade, and other historians of religion of his ilk, argued that, despite the patent differences between different cultural constructions of their gods, there is a latent universal substratum that is the same everywhere; that the persistent patterns in religions all over the world suggest that we are all looking at the same thing, an image reflected in different sorts of mirrors, and that that one thing therefore exists, in all the forms in which it is depicted. Few historians of religions today still take this approach, though it is widely assumed in the more popular constructions of comparative religions.

    A better idea, I think, is captured by several of India’s many philosophies of reality and illusion, which suggest that we do indeed create God (and therefore religion) in our imaginations, as we create all of our reality, but that at the same time God creates us in God’s imagination, that God is, like us, constantly dreaming into existence a reality that includes us imagining God. We are mutually dreaming, mutually existing.

    A modified, slightly rationalized, version of this belief would be the assertion that, although we do not make God ex nihilo, nor does God make us ex nihilo, we are the ones who bring God fully to life, while God in turn is what brings us truly to life, makes us fully alive to the phenomenal world, dream world though it may be.

    This is not an idea that is easy for people trained in Western philosophical ideas to swallow, and it all depends upon how you define God, but for me it is rich in meaning.”

  13. anand yogi says:

    Shantam,
    Have you no shame?
    Now you are supporting the perverted book that abuses our heritage, written by a babooness with a university degree, which is an affront to our patriarchal sentiments which are the only way to create “one India, great India”.

    The book has been justly banned, we cannot allow such filth to be touted in the land of the pure!
    Now, Shantam,you are betraying the land of your birth and lying down in a sinful bed with Christian and Jewish intellectual females who seek to insult our great history and tradition with their idiotic western minds!

    We cannot accept the American female as a perverted avatar of our religion any more than we can accept alcohol-soaked Anglo-Saxons running the ashram of Osho, who is on the verge of being accepted as official avatar of the age by Shri Modi’s great yogic work!

    Shantam,you disappoint me badly!
    I was thinking that you could be an agent for the true religion but you have clearly been infected by the un-sattvic bigotry and unconsciousness of the unclean West during your stay in the land of the gora and now you yourself are espousing and publicising the irreligious ways of the white-skinned baboondog who has abused the freedom that has been given to him!

    I will continue to demand my perfectly reasonable right to rape, whilst you wallow in an immoral cess-pool with homosexuals, perverts, goras, jewish female intellectuals and all kinds of immoral and unspiritual, intoxicant-imbibing evil spirits, eating non-sattvic food and thinking non-desirable thoughts.

    Shame on you!
    You have abused the freedom that Osho, in his infinite compassion, has given you!

    And long live Arun, Satya Vedant and all who continue to do Osho`s work by praising the Zorba the Buddha, true yogi, agent of truth and executor Osho`s vision: Narendra Modi!

    One India! Great India!
    Hari Om!
    Yahoo!

  14. Shantam Prem says:

    “Is he dead, or just meditating? Ashutosh Maharaj and the legal wrangle over his £100m legacy” (Times of India).

    Time has come to give new meaning to the concept of True Master, the Sadguru.

    He is the person who leaves behind property portfolio worth millions of dollars for his trustees.

    In a way, trustees are the people one should never trust.

    • satyadeva says:

      Thus spake an unreconstructed ‘puer eternus’! Mistaking recalcitrant immaturity for true rebellion.

      (Don’t worry, you’re not the only one)….

      • prem martyn says:

        I’d stop there if I were you , as I’ve had a note from the mods and rockerators who tell me that your last six column inches constitute free therapy, and from now on they’ll be charging their usual rates for this exchange of online wisdom….

        (MOD: PURE IMAGINATION!
        PS: THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED)

  15. Parmartha says:

    As I have said before, homosexuality is illegal in India. And also in 80 other nation states around the world. I think it is close to a capital offence in Iran and Uganda…

    This means it becomes incredibly suppressed in India and those 80 countries, and leads to many hiding their sexuality and everything being in secret, and the result is an expotential rise in Aids.

    If we want to make a contribution towards lessening human suffering then it is clear that these bigots, like the Hindu National Party in India, who clearly support such 19th century laws, they need to be ‘taken on’ – not toadied up to, like what is happening with our so-called Sannyas leaders in India and Nepal at present.

  16. prem martyn says:

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10478593_377363325751836_6408140586011123352_n.jpg

    This is a rhetorical coming-out-of-the-closet post addressed to our universal homoshexual shelf…thus, if you do or have ever wanked, you make love to your own sex…if you don’t know what that means…you could be a BJP member (small, medium or insignificant, Indian size).

    PS: If that gets deleted then I’m claiming minority rights discrimination…for wankers….

  17. swami anand anubodh says:

    Hold on…

    I think the cynics here may have underestimated Modi.

    Not only is he going to improve India’s future, it seems he has already used his mojo to improve its past….

  18. PremAnanto says:

    Very popular in India is homosexuality.
    Same as anywhere else really, just a bit more discreet – by necessity.

    • Parmartha says:

      Homosexuality may or may not be a sort of arrested psychological development. It does not matter. Most people will not change, so there is a problem as Aids is a much neglected subject in the current climate of jihad and news domination by such things.

      Nation States need to address the enormous numbers of people who are affected and will be affected by Aids… not as in 80 of them having sometimes draconian laws against being gay. The more it is driven underground the more Aids will result, as victims will not seek help of the authorities for fear of being exposed as gay and risking persecution or prison, etc.

      This very much applies to India, where the WHO considers there is something approaching a hidden epidemic of Aids.

  19. Shantam Prem says:

    This post is a leaf from history for Parmartha and Co.

    When Osho came back to Pune, within days transformation of ashram property started happening on war footing. Within months of his arrival, Krishna Garden got the Zen look.
    And it was inaugurated by Ullhas Dhole Patil, the Mayor of Pune and Swami Anand Maitarya.

    It was not just an inauguration through ribbon cutting but a big marble stone was placed at the entrance of the garden with the name of Mayor written in Golden letters. As I remember, the stone was there till the second renovation two decades later.

    When this inauguration took place, I was not in Pune. When i have read this in Rajneesh Times, my first impression was, ” What kind of double standard is this?”

    It was only when I was back part of the ashram life and saw the practicalities, it became clear: Osho has quite a pragmatic approach of live and let live. To run an ashram in a smooth way, many back door actions and lobbying work took place. 10, 15 prominent Indian sannyasins of that time did wonderful work to make bridges with Pune elites, administration and Indian politicians.

    If 5,7 foreigners are now controlling the empire, the foundation of it was not created by their forefathers.

    Incidentally, Ullhas Dhole Patil was not just a political figure but a feudal lord of Koregaon Park and adjoining area. Surely proximity with sannyasins brought tremendous business to Pune and generated employment and brand value.

    • Arpana says:

      Shantam,

      This post, like everything else you write here,
      is a figment of your imagination.

      I wouldn’t trust you to go into another room,
      and return with clear-cut information as to
      whether a cup of tea on a table was hot or cold.

    • Parmartha says:

      Thanks, Shantam.

      You have to learn to think about these facts in a deeper way. We got chucked out of Oregon, though we certainly did not help ourselves by all our various behaviours. One biggish reason was having nil ‘sensitivity’ to the indigenous local population in the nearest village, called Antelope. So clearly, if you are right, that lesson had been learned by 1987.

      On the second part of your post the westerners whom you denigrate (always strikes me as an odd bifurcation in the world of the new global village) were actually in charge of Ashram affairs by that time, having replaced the power blocs around Sheela after she left in 1985. So they were in fact responsible for encouraging this warmer interface with those we found ourselves among.

      It was also a vast improvement on Pune One, when there were often quite large difficulties with the local government in Pune.

      Also, as my memory serves me, the local police did make life difficult for Osho when he first returned to Pune in 1986/7, and even at one point raided his room?

  20. Parmartha says:

    Swami Anand Arun comes to the UK this upcoming weekend. His organisers are having difficulty filling the group, and are offering low cut prices to some punters. I know personally some people who have been telephoned.

    Maybe some of the potential punters have read the string before this one..! Clearly he is not a guru for the West!

    • lokesh says:

      I would not go to see such a chuddie buster if you paid me. Well, maybe if the pay was good. I’d still wear a gas mask though to avoid all that guffo coming from his holiness behind.

    • Anand Newman says:

      There is a beauty if an Indian dish is offered as an Indian dish only. There are numerous Asian food chains in the West where the original cuisine is westernized to attract more crowds. But the authentic ones still get the business. Er…Mmm…some food for thought….

    • alokjohn says:

      Actually his meditation “camps” are wonderful. I have done about three weekends with him. For the few who are interested in meditation, his camps provide the best opportunity to go deep into meditation in England.
      Having said that, I was shocked to read his article. When I first read it I thought it was not from him; I thought it was a spoof.

      In his camps he comes over as a very nice guy and appears to love Osho deeply. Sometimes he tells the story of how he met Osho in the late ’60s when he was a young student. If I recall correctly, Osho was asking for 300 meditators to save the planet. Young Arun volunteered to be one of those meditators and managed to inveigle a private interview the Osho.

      I have to admit though, I did think he did not really understand Osho.

      Ah well, “there’s nowt so queer as folk”, as they say in Yorkshire (methinks).

  21. Parmartha says:

    Thanks, Alok, for your input.

    You could ask Arun about the article, make sure it is not a spoof then, if you are meditating with him next weekend. I am surprised at how hostile he is to Pune too, but apparently if raised on the subject that gentle old man gets vehement.

    To me, it is ‘political’. He wants to get an alliance with Modi, etc. against the people who run the Resort.
    Your comment about not understanding Osho is pertinent. Many from the sub-continent do not realise just how revolutionary and how out of normal societal norms Osho was!

    • alokjohn says:

      This did occur to me…
      Maybe Hindi discourses are not as rebellious as English discourses. And maybe that is what Arun and Indians listen to.

      • Arpana says:

        I’ve wondered that, Alok.
        The Hindi translations have a different flavour to the English discourses, to my ear,
        although I have no way of being sure if that is just the wisdom of hind(i)sight….

        • alokjohn says:

          It is an interesting question, isn’t it? If English discourses are rebellious and Hindi discourses are not rebellious, who is to say what the ‘real’ teaching is.

          I have often wondered if Osho adjusted his teaching to his audience. So rebellious post 60′s westerners got rebellious discourses, whilst staid Indians got staid discourses.

          • alokjohn says:

            I have often wondered if Osho adjusted his teaching to his audience…

            You can use this to explain the nonsense about Hitler in ‘I am the Gate.’ In that book, Osho says that Hitler was a spiritual teacher who lost his way. It is obviously nonsense. But you can explain it by saying it was meant to make Germans feel a little bit less guilty about their history.

            • Arpana says:

              I get the impression with Indians I have met that he is just another guru of whatever religion they are from; and maybe that’s all he set out to do with them. To breathe a bit of life into the traditions.

  22. Shantam Prem says:

    Someone opened a Kindergarten in the city and grandad said, “I won´t get admission in that kindergarten. Never.”

    Few days later, family came to know, man has dementia!

    Spiritual snobbery and stupidity are synonymous.

  23. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    Dear Parmartha,

    You wrote:

    “If we want to make a contribution towards lessening human suffering then it is clear that these bigots, like the Hindu National Party in India, who clearly support such 19th century laws, they need to be ‘taken on’ – not toadied up to, like what is happening with our so-called Sannyas leaders in India and Nepal at present.”

    As I said before, many responses have again taken course, which have really repelled me -

    but what to do, I got ‘hooked’ by your words I quoted above

    and would like to respond:

    THE GOOD NEWS

    There has never been ANY neo-sannyas leader -

    THE NEWS (ongoing)

    As an amorphous and ever changing congregation – it surely has potentially all traits
    of the so-called market-place – and of a business too -
    sometimes co-operation – celebrations, joy to meet and merge, meditate and work together, feeling as a caravanserai of friends;

    sometimes just the opposite of it -
    bargaining, cheating, intrigues, power-plays, and you name it, what next..?

    THE BAD NEWS

    Our immaturity, not only in terms of mixing up freedom with licentiousness,
    with no understanding about the issue of ‘rebellion’, which does NOT mean to get on a riot with personal issues (most of it family historical stuff or the hidden deep-down motivation to sit on a throne)
    and BE SOME-BODY very important – and the bitterness if that is not fulfilled.

    THE VERY BAD NEWS

    The forgotten miracle that a love-connection of friends is able to manifest,
    and the DISRESPECT herewith to the gifts of the MYSTIC He shared so abundantly in ‘thousand and one ways’.

    Sometimes I see fellow-travellers blossoming
    and each one does it his or her unique way,
    be it ART or be it just the sharing of everyday efforts as teachers, and not bragging about how great they are in this or that.

    I miss togetherness quite often like anything, I repeat again, but this may be my unique way and my unique life-school-schedule.

    No contradiction at all with my gratefulness to that which I call Osho
    and hearing His
    “samasati…samasati…”
    as an experience alive – not as a memory.

    Love

    Madhu

    PS:
    And I understood it like this: you cannot push the river.
    And I really don´t know why I feel to add that now.

  24. Shantam Prem says:

    There are many high-profile sannyasins in UK who were playing quite an active role in Pune.

    Sometimes I wonder, as an editor of Sannyas News, whether Parmartha has ever tried to ask these people about the ongoing conflict in Pune: why overall sannyas milieu is low and why there is so much anger and discontent with the management.

    Maybe these English sannyasins can shed the light over the ‘politics versus meditation’ thing, off the record.

    People who are not in the vicinity of bomb blasts can always think it must be crackers.
    It is a deep-rooted complex in human mind, it can accept galaxies can fall, countries can break, fortune 500 companies can go bankrupt, but not their Church.

    One can add one more word in the synonym list of Church – it is ‘Resort’.

  25. Parmartha says:

    UK sannyasins represent a broad spectrum of opinion, except, as to be expected, it is all a bit mild-mannered.
    There is certainly a section of UK opinion that whilst it has some small reservations about the powers-that-be at the Resort and internationally, at the same time are very sceptical of both the abilities and motivations of those who want to take it over. I am among those.

    There is a much bigger subset of opinion that considers the debate already lost in time and that we make Osho wherever we are, and whatever is being done, and his flavour will be there. That is the movie now, and it also has an advaitan taste, and that is entirely sufficient. Those high-ranking people of whom I think you speak would largely be in that category.

  26. Shantam Prem says:

    When one thinks what kind of opinions others have, it is assumption.

    Let me presume, have you ever spoken with Dentist Devageet?
    After all, the man was chosen to be one of the trustees?
    Has he ever acknowledged the fact that he was one of the 20´s, and what prompted him to withdraw?

    Psychological mask is quite complex. So much is hidden behind the façade and most of them don´t open their heart, with the feeling, “It will unnecessarily bring bad name to the legacy of Osho.”

    • lokesh says:

      El Chudo declares, “It will unnecessarily bring bad name to the legacy of Osho.”

      There are a few fools posting on SN whose comments betray their level of ignorance. The champion of these people, in terms of consistency and talking nonsense, is El Chudo himself. Congratulations on retaining the title, Shantam.

      Over an extended period of time, El Chudo has shown himself to be a racist who does not meditate. What does that have to do with Osho’s legacy? He is also obsessed with changing externals, while Osho’s emphasis was on inner change, because he quite rightly understood that we actually live in the inner world much more than the outer, whether one meditates or not, and it is the state of our inner world which dictates how we experience the outer.

      El Chudo laours under the great misconception that if the situation changes on the outside the inner will follow, which is basically the anti-thesis of what Osho taught. And yet he imagines he is somehow fighting to uphold Osho’s vision. This is imagination working at its most deceptional level.

  27. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    Would like to respond to your following lines, Lokesh,
    leaving Shantam Prem out of it, who serves (well though!) but as a scapegoat of the dark side of the ´moon´, we all have to one extent or the other.
    :
    “…misconception that if the situation changes on the outside the inner will follow, which is basically the anti-thesis of what Osho taught. And yet he imagines he is somehow fighting to uphold Osho’s vision. This is imagination working at its most deceptional level.”

    I always see the ´inner´and ´outer´in a permanent dance together, and proclaiming a one-way ticket from here (´inner´) to that there (´outer´) as a danger to go astray as well.

    Reminding me also of how difficult relating sometimes became with friends of some advaita circles, who – after getting a glimpse of the ONENESS – developed some avatar-ish superiority, also arrogant and ignorant behaviour, like thick indifference when meeting those from outside their viewpoint who ´didn´t get it´.

    When I am looking at the painful spots of my life, which has to do with the loss of quite a few sannyas friends (who are still alive – by the way), the inter-de-pendence of anybody with anything or anybody is a dance of energy we all are not very skilled in, especially in virtual reality.
    Yet it is a very good space-no-space to practise.

    Sometimes I re-read some former threads of SN; today it was June 2012…to become more acquainted. Although if we all would just exist in the present moment, and if this present moment is all that is, and that´s a TRUTH in itself,
    nobody would write here (including you and me).

    That the experiment to live and celebrate living together in a communal way and in friendship failed to a big and painful extent, is still paining me. Although it’s also true that insights on that part of reality are deepening.

    What is also paining me is that the flavour of friendship went down the drain and is quite often replaced by business items (visible or covered) or replaced by hard-core political items (visible or covered).

    In growing up, you have to go “beyond the small family”, I heard Him say.
    Or,
    watch out whom you make friends with; “your best friend can turn out to be your best enemy.”
    I have come across experiencing all of it, over and over again.

    The virtual wave, I can´t help it, brought me to the friendship island, which inspires all kinds of happenings and still exists as an anchoring place inside.

    And I have the modest plea that you, Lokesh, if addressing anybody, would you please use their names?
    And a wish that all this ‘chuddie-stuff’ is replaced by the minor of respect.

    And my last wish goes to many contributors -

    may we all have a good day, with good wishes, Lokesh, for having good insight too.

    Madhu

    • lokesh says:

      Madhoo says, “And a wish that all this ‘chuddie-stuff’ is replaced by the minor of respect.”

      You can wish all you want, but you don’t seem to realise that calling Shantam ‘El Chudo’ is my friendly way of saying that the man is full of shit.

      Madhoo goes on to declare, “I always see the ´inner´and ´outer´in a permanent dance together, and proclaiming a one-way ticket from here (´inner´) to that there (´outer´) as a danger to go astray as well.”

      This sounds to me like antiquated sannyas- speak circa 1976, which might have sounded fine back then but sounds cliched and corny now.

      My point is that we actually live much more in our thoughts and feelings than we do in the 3D world that apparently surrounds us and how that world appears to us is entirely based on how one feels. You can attend the best party in the world, but if you are in a shit space you will not enjoy it. I used to be fascinated how beggars in India could be so genuinely happy in such awful surroundings. It is an inner thing. ‘Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all else will follow.’ No joke, but most never get it.

      Madhoo, you come across as somebody who lives a lot in their inner world and simply does not recognise it

    • Arpana says:

      Madhu says,

      “And I have the modest plea that you, Lokesh, if addressing anybody, would you please use their names?
      And a wish that all this ‘chuddie-stuff’ is replaced by the miror of respect.”

      Madhu,
      Speaking in an honest and straightforward manner toward an individual, even if the words are negative, is more respectful than false positivity.

  28. Shantam Prem says:

    What a loser, what a loser, those who went to lick the dust of this and that guru dare to speak about the internal matters of Osho´s empire/work.

    I just cannot imagine more poverty of soul than this.

  29. Shantam Prem says:

    Because this string is about Vedant and Modi, few facts about Vedant ji will be of interest.

    I don´t think even Parmartha will be aware that Swami Satya Vedant( Dr. Vasant Joshi) was married with Sheela´s sister.
    After Rajneeshpuram´s fiasco and Sheela´s clear break from Osho movement, all the family members stood thick and thin behind her, but not Satya Vedant.
    So in a way, it was a fire test of Satya Vedant´s commitment with Osho.

    From the western side, many, but from Indian side there were not so many disciples during Osho´s lifetime who were socially and academically very laborious.
    Satya Vedant is one of those Indians who went to the top ladder of Academia. I mean as a mild-mannered Indian, there is no better gratification than to be a professor at prestigious American Universities.

    Dr. Joshi had achieved this and when Osho came to Pune his position was very much utilised for PR work all over the country. This he is still doing under the umbrella of Osho World.
    He is also first Chancellor of Osho Multiversity and one of the five Indians chosen personally by Osho.

    • Parmartha says:

      Thanks, Shantam.

      No, I did not know this background about Satya Vedant and his high placed connection to the Sheela regime. I am glad to hear that he did not disaffect with them.

      Also, your summary of how he is placed now is useful. I don’t know him, though he always seemed a mediocrity. The sort that often inhabit academia and reach high positions, and yet are just time servers.

  30. lokesh says:

    El Chudo announces, “I just cannot imagine more poverty of soul than this.”
    This is an example of not using directed imagination, without which man’s greatest achievments would never have happened.

    Imagination running riot is another thing entirely. This is something that keeps man asleep. In El Chudo’s case this explains a lot. It is uncontrolled imagination that allows him to believe that a racist non-meditator has a place in Osho’s vision, legacy, heritage etc. to the extent that he thinks he is a worthy spokesman and authority on such matters.

    Of course, to anyone with an iota of common sense and at least a little understanding of what Osho was about, this appears patently absurd. In spite of this, the poor fellow will continue his fruitless one-man crusade for the rest of his days unless he is shocked out of his very personal delusion. In this sense, El Chudo serves as a warning to us all that uncontolled imagination is a pitfall to be avoided at all costs.

  31. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    “Imagination running riot is another thing entirely”

    So true, Lokesh.
    Got another painful insight of THAT, after leaving the house here and after posting my post to the UK chat SN.

    To give stalker and stalking business the name of ´riot´ is in my case not exaggerated.

    And in my experience of living my everyday life in the spoiled civil surroundings in Bavaria/Munich, which has mutated in a way into an open forensic asylum sometimes.
    And this late afternoon was extremely painful, like so many others…

    Including data phishers of criminal gangs who obviously learned by systems like former DDR and then are looking for action in the streets to hit a target.

    It is difficult – as we don´t know each other personally – to describe my effort to communicate about issues of Sannyas which touch me, and the mixture of meeting fascistic behaviour on the streets when I go shopping or just look for one of my favourite city spots in parks to read, write, or just sit silently.

    To get that balanced is quite something.

    I don´t need (meanwhile) to be in India or Turkey or Iran or Iraq to become aware that global fusions also in terms of harassing women are fully accomplished with rotten German inhabitants who are at the same mental and emotional standard.

    So it was today again a day ´like this´, another one.

    Even to meet a Sikh – in outliving – his chauvinist behavior clapped applause by men from different areas of this planet INCLUDING German pigheads.

    I just have to look for one of my favourite little gardens,
    which is surrounded by walls but also has a little restaurant, used for romantic weddings, as well as a little chapel inside the walls. It’s a romantic place,
    but the most beautiful is the garden.

    I come for that HUGE tree in the garden and also because it has a little museum dedicated to Michael Ende, a beautiful writer and his heritage, the international library for kids.

    As time goes by, the whole place is changing with its clients and investors.

    Why do I write all this?

    Because the dance of life is as well outer as inner – it´s just a very good example of being interdependent.
    This place still has some power in itself to stay at the quality of former days, but I say it is on the verge of losing it.

    And that IS pain.

    And to surrender to some of the changes happening here on a collective basis, in terms of staying centered, to stick to a QUALITY and to the possibilities that a certain quality of life´s energies can live instead of survive, is indeed my issue of day-to-day for a long time now-here.

    This is not far astray from the given thread and the discussion.

    Just being filled up with other theatre-leela ingredients.

    When I write,
    I write as the being in the midst of THAT and THIS.

    You also do, I presume, but you all rarely tell something of your everyday life -

    sometimes I miss that.

    Madhu

  32. Shantam Prem says:

    It seems like few gentlemen have so much meditated, if Existence won´t allow them the ultimate paradise, they may create massacre!

    Cheeky, cheeky people and their meditation; as if they are first ones in their country, in their continent.

    • satyadeva says:

      What a strange comment from (nominally anyway) a ‘seeker of truth’, a ‘spiritual enquirer’ (you know, a ‘sannyasin’) on a site inspired by the life and ongoing inspiration of his great spiritual master…

      I mean, just read it again…What a bizarre attitude!

  33. Shantam Prem says:

    “I am an enquirer of truth, I am a seeker.
    Who are you, the asshole?”

    Not an iota of humility and tons of assertiveness. No, sir, people like you are not seekers, they have already found. There is no enquiry but the answers!

    • Arpana says:

      Shantam,

      “Not an iota of humility and tons of assertiveness. No, sir, people like you are not seekers, they have already found. There is no enquiry but the answers!”

      That is an acurate description of you.

    • satyadeva says:

      What’s this then, Shantam, a slice of life from the very popular 21st Century Spiritual Movement tv ‘soap’, ‘East Benders’? I hear it’s hilarious…

      An extract from your latest Gestalt therapy session, perhaps?

      Or an exchange from that Encounter Group you’ve just joined?

      Whatever, keep calm and carry on sharing these good bits, please, they’re a genuine tonic for the spiritual – and the pseudo-spiritual – troops!

  34. Shantam Prem says:

    Nice to see, SD, you have taken my post in a hilarious spirit.

  35. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    Yes, Arpana,
    you are right, reminding to be honest – so – not faking to be
    ´nice´, when you don´t feel like it.

    Yet, I say and mean it, that you don´t need to fuck up a person or humiliate him or her
    to feel to be ´honest´ (reminding me of the times I came quite often across ‘Humaniverity tribes’).

    Yes, one can silence a person by kind of torture games and then clap hands when he or she is ´opened up´ like a tin can, or give ´friendship´ AFTER a breakdown.

    Honesty, Arpana, is – as I see it – an exchange of give and take
    (giving honour, taking honour, giving honour to yourself, taking honour from the other).

    What in that special example I wanted to share is that for quite a long while
    addressing as expression got stuck in the same pattern: no giving – no taking -

    so then dishonesty on both the tables – not only on one…

    That´s all.

    Madhu

    • Arpana says:

      Shantam is a man approaching sixty.
      He believes he is entitled to run the ashram.
      He believes he is entitled to the support of
      the regulars at sannyas news,
      the help of the regulars in deposing the
      people who run the ashram,
      entitled to the support of the regulars to
      put him in the place of those who run the ashram.

      He has spent seven years nagging and attempting to manipulate
      whoever the regulars are at any given time into carrying out
      his wishes, and he is extremely angry at the recalcitrance of
      the regulars regarding their failure to bend to his will.

      He is a racist, and you believe his detractors should be nicer to him.

  36. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    You misinterpret what I was trying to say, Arpana.

    (Besides that, I don´t know if some of you know each other by personal contact?).

    Me, I don´t know any of you that way, although I did deeply experience ashram – as sannyas-commune life – for longer periods in India as well as in America.

    As I said, 1990 then has been my last meeting of the international sangha in India; my daily meditation then here in Munich in the former so-called TAO centre, till late nineties – after that satsang meetings and again quite 15 years or so.

    IT dropped me and I wouldn´t say that I dropped anything.

    The point in your latest response is your ongoing projections on a person you may not even know by personal contact.

    And you also don´t know me and I don´t know you, but I have been attracted by either your ART or your way of finding Osho quotes – which touched me deeply and I am grateful for that!

    But when you go on an encounter trip, I often get quite irritated by the gap I feel between your identity as an artist and a thorough guardian of the gifts – Osho’s – left us for`remembrance` – and your encounter role (mostly with Shantam).

    Often don´t know what you, Arpana, are really up to.

    Me, as a woman, I know best, and maybe even more than you, how sometimes painful and ugly is Shantam’s or other male contributors’ here throwing of verbal buckets of stupidity as abuse.

    The whole discussion forum in the virtual range about politics in Sannyas areas is sometimes ridiculous, sometimes boring, sometimes very, very painful, as I have tried to express it;
    the facts behind the rumours and scandals, often brought up in a way like the yellow press would do it, and sometimes not a trustworthy feeling in it, but more like a ‘game’.

    Yet I love it that this forum exists, and is managed and maintained somehow; that costs effort and time too for sure.

    It feels good to try to find words sometimes for issues which may touch traumatic experiences (in my case, for example); sometimes also to get a broader vision again, as well as to reconnect with values and gifts like the ‘diamonds’ on the way.

    A friends’ sharing can be a support to integrate the bunch of ‘roses with many thorns’ too,
    and I am grateful for that.

    The virtual character of the contact though reminds us all daily that we might not know a ‘thing’ about what to say of another human being, posting.

    In this spirit, I address you HERE-NOW.

    And with my best my wishes that you may have a beautiful summer evening.

    From my heart, believe it or not.

    Madhu

  37. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    P.S:
    And I am a woman approaching seventieth, Arpana,
    if that matters for you – the life age of the body….

  38. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    No, I didn´t say that, Arpana,

    please read again.

    Madhu

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