Graceful Osho Buddhafield, a powerhouse of Intelligence and Creativity and Freedom!
I recently visited the Osho Commune Pune in the Monsoon Festival 2013.
Just simple meditation techniques of Osho, following my heart, and Osho was pouring like anything.
The Sacred Buddha Hall and its podium and Buddha Grove around the hall, enough for me, Osho present there in all his majestic splendour and sharpness of the Greatest Master!
The so soft, so tender, so ordinary, so relaxing, so caressing Samadhi of Osho’s parents, with bamboo trees near the back gate of the commune, you are simply in the Womb of Existence, relaxing and getting nourished!
In front of Osho Samadhi Gate, where two more Samadhis of Osho’s enlightened disciples are there, no need to enter Osho Samadhi, just sitting outside, you effortlessly become like open sky, totally free, you are creativity. Sitting there with eyes closed and listening to “Shivoham Shivoham” song and you know, ‘Ah this!’
What a blessed place on earth this is!
Osho in the body! Those days of Freedom, Openness, Intelligence, Sensitivity, Creativity, Contradictions welcome, Enemies welcome, Strangers welcome, All Types of Seekers welcome, All Paths to Truth welcome, All Types of Questions welcome – sheer adventure, freely hitting at all types of bondage, exploitation, mental retardation!
I am not fortunate enough to have come to this graceful Osho Buddhafield when Osho was still in his body! His body, so beautiful! I remember him saying somewhere that this body is the visible part of your soul and your soul is the invisible part of your body!
His Body in those days was the visible part of his invisible, graceful buddhafield, which was accessible to our physical eyes!
His Body was a finger pointing to his invisible, graceful buddhafield. Fortunate were people who lived, laughed, danced, meditated with his body.
For one who has really experienced formlessness of his master, gratitude is going to come up…that gratitude will be like a flood, it will cross all barriers, will overflow to the body of his master too! And more so, just a look at the beautiful face and body of his master and that look will transport the disciple into formless space.
(Contrast this with the spiritual retardation of OIF people whose only way of showing their spiritual height is throwing the picture and mala of their very own master! The picture and mala of that very formless master, becomes a life threat to their formlessness bullshit).
The disciple matters, not the teaching, the teaching has to fit disciple and not disciple has to fit with teaching. Blind faith and obedience not needed at all. Intelligence, Freedom, Love, Adventure, Logic, Meditation enough. Doubt and Questions always welcome!
Osho then explained that in the past almost all the masters entered from a particular gate in the Temple of Truth. They took only those persons as disciples who were standing with him at that particular gate. So their teaching is correct only in respect to the disciples standing at that gate! There neither was any confusion in the disciple as the teaching was without contradictions! The disciples standing at other gates followed the master’s teaching but went farther away from the temple! They either left the master for another master or thought that the master was an idiot! That is why a seeker had to go from one master to another master till he found someone at the same gate as him.
Osho said with him it is for the first time very different. It is because in his many past lives he had lived with different masters standing at different gates and in this life he could use the experience from all his past lives. Osho said he would go to all gates and give his teachings and hence he has to contradict himself. He said that actually listening to him is equal to going to many masters!
He said, ‘No need to strain. Just find that particular teaching of mine, which I have given standing at your particular door. Move in a relaxed way and when you feel you have arrived, just cross-check by listening all my other teachings given by me standing at all other doors! The moment all my teaching sounds correct to you, you are home, my blessings to you!’
And Osho also said, ‘If you are moving in effortlessly through one particular teaching of mine, take care that you do not disturb others who are entering through other different types of teachings of mine! For that matter, do not even disturb those who are not following any teachings! It is their freedom! Be free and do not interfere with others’ freedom!’
Osho said very clearly there, ’ My temple is rich in the sense that all types, rather opposite types of people, all have a place and gate in my temple. My garden is a rich garden, all sorts of flowers, heart people, mind people, everybody! No one will be turned back!’
The fire of Osho was such that he went on challenging the whole world to come and debate and none came, he answered thousands of questions, every day two hours in morning and two hours in evening! The OIF/Osho Guidance/Church retardation is such that the whole Osho sannyas world is challenging it and not a mouse dares to come and debate. The only response of these retarded custodians of Osho is advice to do dynamic meditaion for those who ask questions and a threat to ban them from entering into Osho’s Commune! Now, by their own logic: Osho used to speak for 4 hours daily, but if Osho comes again and speaks again for 2 hours against these idiotic morons, they will ask him to do dynamic and ban him from entering his own buddhafield!
The Ugliness of OIF/Church controlling Graceful Osho Buddhafield
Versus
The Graceful and Aesthetic nurturing of the Buddhafield of Buddha and Teerthankars by Buddhist and Jainas in BodhGaya and Parasnath
I remember Osho saying that once a buddha leaves his body, a hard, rigid, central church-like organisation takes control of his teachings and in the name of doing the buddha’s work starts ruling over the religious life of its own fellow travellers. With time it becomes establishment and political and all-powerful. The real seekers either move out on their own or are turned out! The mediocres take centre stage because only mediocres are interested in power and organisation and business. And it takes another buddha to come and challenge that hard and rigid organisation and set the truth free. The same cycle repeats all over again and again.
Someone asked Osho whether the same is going to happen to his movement also! Osho said, ‘Yes, but with a difference! Fools among my disciples will surely try that but will fail miserably at it and they will get their fingers severely burnt!’
He gave a reason too! He said in the past all the buddhas in their teachings had a set of rights and wrongs to help our inner journey. So fools would later on build and organise their church-like structure based on these rights and wrongs! With time, these rights and wrongs will become more important than seekers, their inner natures and inner processes, freedom etc. Church-like organisation will use these very rights/wrongs to prosecute those seekers who oppose. But they are not going to succeed because others will find some other part of his teaching where he has totally disproved the teaching propagated by fools.
‘So I am the only master who has contradicted himself totally. It is impossible for fools to build a system out of total contradictions. If one has the ability to digest all my contradictions, then that person is beyond mind, beyond power trips and he will be a friend, he will feel grateful to me for finding his way via me and he will have healthy respect for all the other ways as all the other ways too are only coming out from his master!
So really, there is not going to be a big, centralised church-like controlling structure after I leave. A few fools will try it but will be exposed from all corners and angles, and will become a laughing stock sooner or later. I have packed all my discourses with hidden dynamite which is going to explode even centuries after I have left! Any fool, any time making a rigid structure out of my teaching will face explosion after explosion out of my discourses.
What will happen behind me is many small friends’ clubs will come up. Each club will consist of a group of people who love me and share any particular teaching that is common to their liking, They will grow inwardly and share their love and silence and ecstasy.
Each club will have a healthy respect and love towards other clubs.’
I find this prophecy of Osho to be true. Pune Commune people are doing the impossible! Osho Guidance is a laughing stock! But they are dead serious about it!
The sincere seekers are leaving it one by one! Ma Dharma Jyoti, Swami Vairagya Amrit, Swami Anand Arum, Swami Rajneesh, Swami Chaitanya Keerti – all the genuine people coming out! Each one of them has started a friends’ club! More and more such beautiful flowers are sprouting everywhere and a friends’ club is formed around them.
And Pune commune people live on the borrowed greatness of Osho. The moment they come out of the commune, come to the real world and open their mouths, what comes out is stupidity, insecurity, business, Christian missionary-like cheap logic to prove that Osho Guidance is indeed the divine way, but they look like the Pope at the receiving end of Osho’s jokes on Pope the Polack! So they go back to the Pune Commune, soak in the buddhafield of compassionate Osho and enjoy being the owners of that sacred place!
Recently, Ramdeva, a renowned Indian yoga teacher, invited Swami Anand Arun to take a 3 day Meditation Camp at his place in Haridwar where 2000 Osho sannyasins participated and meditated together, one of the biggest gatherings since Osho was in his body. Even Ramdeva has a bigger heart than the Pune people! The Pune people would never allow Anand Arun to come inside the commune. His sin: he did not get bulldozed by Osho Guidance!
Osho said somewhere, ‘If you agree with me 100 percent and you are not ready to meditate, do not come to me, I have nothing to do with you! But even if you disagree with me 100 percent and are ready to meditate, we can walk for a long way together!’
Poor Osho! His astral body has to travel all the way to Haridwar because he has promised that wherever his disciples are meditating he will go more, so if two or more are meditating together…Osho has to go all around the world! When he was in his body, the American government forced him! Even after leaving his body, the Pune commune government is forcing him to go all around the world if he wants to be with people who are ready to meditate but do not agree with the ‘Guidance’!
Just imagine, Osho relaxing in the commune, nowhere to go, no more world tours! First comes Ma Jyoti, then Ma Neelam, then Anand Arun, then Rajneeesh, and so on, each and every one of his flowered disciples coming to him with their friends’ club in Pune, meditating, celebrating and leaving.
Osho smiling and chuckling, seeing so many explosions happening in the commune all round the year! How happy Osho would be! How happy this whole existence would be! How alive the Pune Commune would become!
I went to Parasnath. It is a range of mountain peaks where there is the Samadhi of 22 Jaina Masters. The whole mountain is vibrating with energy similar to the Pune Commune. There are so many sects in the Jaina religion. They fight bitterly with each other over modes of worship but one good thing I noticed: they all have agreed that the huge mountain peaks, the real buddhafield will remain virgin. Which means they will not touch the buddhafield, they will make their monasteries outside the buddhafield. Once they go inside the buddhafield they will go silent, keep chanting the namokar mantra and come down. All their fights are outside the buddhafield. Each sect has made its own temple and they have their own methods of worship.
I am not a jaina, but I went to the Samadhi. There was nobody there sitting with Jaina Guidance, turning away people who did not agree with it!!! No Multiversity selling you therapies and five-star restaurant to take money from your pockets! How civilized and graceful the Jaina People are and that after hundreds of years have passed since their Masters have left their bodies behind!
Same is True about Bodh Gaya and The Bodhi Tree, the place where Gautama The Buddha got enlightened! Now Buddhism has so many sects and spread in so many countries! Each sect and each country has its own temple nearby where they worship in their own ways! But the buddhafield, i.e. the Bodhi Tree and Bodhi Temple, is virgin! No sect is sitting tight over it, controlling it with some Buddha Guidance, pointing the finger at other sects and turning them away! No business inside the buddhafield, no five-star restaurant to steal money from your pocket inside the buddhafield. All the sects go there in silence, worship and make way for others!
Seeing the graceful way the Buddhists and Jainas take care of their buddhafields, even a newcomer is impressed. He thinks Buddha or Jaina masters must be graceful beings! What a contrast to the Pune Commune where an average newcomer gets a feeling of having come to a Posh Mall with nature and greeneries. Then the night celebration at the Multiversity with wine and smoking and raunchy Bollywood music!
If you meet the average newcomer any time later and the moment he comes to know you are an Osho sannyasin, he will wink at you, give you a naughty smile. He knows what you are – it is “dum maro dum! Hare Krishna Hare Ram”. He knows that Osho is a clever businessman who gave a religious excuse for drink and free sex.
Are Buddha or Jaina masters superior to Osho? No, but their followers have an aesthetic sense! They also have lots of Master Guidances but they leave their buddhafield clean! Can not the Pune commune people be as mature as Buddhists and Jainas at least? Why can not they move out of the commune? Open their Multiversity shop, multimedia shop, bars, restaurants outside the buddhafield of the Pune commune? If they are so against photographs, let them build their own temples outside and not keep any photographs! Remain outside the commune with one hundred percent Osho Guidance! Do whatever you want with Osho but for God’s sake, move out of Osho’s buddhafield!
Do not pollute the Buddhafield of Osho with your way! Leave the Buddhafield of Osho totally virgin! Let it be totally clean and open!You go there, let others go there! Let it become a place open for meditation and celebration! Let the meditators and celebrators from all over the world, from all the religions, come and let them meditate and celebrate!
Osho is not only for the rich class. The Pune commune people can take care of them from their place outside the commune too, you are entitled to your five-star life, smoking, drinking, cheap, raunchy bollywood music, free sex! You are a legitimate sect of Osho teachings! We will respect you! You are so rich! You can open your own squeaky new five-star commune outside the buddhafield! Nobody will come to object!
But let others also come and have their own zero-star place made again outside the commune where they can enjoy the dhaba food and small budget accommodation, and go for meditation and celebration inside the buddhafield without getting a big hole in their pockets. We are also a legitimate sect of Osho. For a change, the rich can come and enjoy the place of the less well-off and vice versa! It will be good if you do not believe, just go and visit Parasnath and Bodhgaya and see! Everybody will feel enriched!
Osho is the master of masters! Osho is not the master of only the rich class! Osho had a big heart! All types of people easily fitted with him, provided they were interested in meditation and celebration – all had a place under him!
You (Pune commune people) do not have that big heart. It is human and natural. But you are sitting on a chair which belongs to Osho! This chair, this place belongs to the one with the biggest heart the world has known so far! You are insulting this chair, this place. You are not letting your master Osho work. Instead of expanding your heart to take it up to the size of Osho’s big heart, you are doing the reverse, you are trying to deflate Osho’s big heart to make it as small as your heart and you are trying to convince people that indeed Osho had this small heart!
The problem is more complicated! New people might have believed you but then they come across people you have thrown out of the Pune buddhafield! You threw them out because you had a small heart! They are many! Rajneesh, Ma Dharma Jyoti, Anand Arun, Satya Vedanta, Vairagya Amrit, Chaitanya Keerti and so on! And almost all of them have a much bigger heart than you! They do not say much ill about you! They even do not say they are right or they have a big heart! One can instinctively feel in their presence that they have bigger hearts! In their presence, one gets to feel that Osho is a far more graceful being with a far bigger heart. One realizes Osho is not “dum maro dum! Hare Krishna Hare Ram”. One realizes Osho is a not a religious excuse to drink and have free sex.
So when you criticize these people, and if the newcomer has been to these people, the newcomer immediately can sense something stinking in you, that is gross business! The newcomer immediately senses something missing in you, that is a fragile human heart, which is forgiving, which can not expel somebody from the buddhafield of his master!
If you (Pune Commune People) are truly disciples of compassionate Osho, then expelling his disciples who are sincere meditators and celebrators will be something unthinkable. It will require an extraordinarily small and hard heart to be able to expel what your master always loved – sincere meditators and sincere celebrators.
It is not unforgivable! Existence made you like that! But with all grace, just get down from the Chair of Osho! Leave his buddhafield free and open! Remember, Osho’s discourses are already free and available! Anybody sincerely listening to him can see how small and hard your heart is! None other than Osho himself is exposing you to him!
That is why, the Pune commune people are a laughing stock all over the country! You are a naked king with just one thing in your hands: power to ban Osho people from entering his buddhafield! That is a very ugly situation! A disgrace to your master! Ruling over other fellow travellers by fear! Remember, Osho ruled out of love!
So Osho Guidance, ok! Many believe in it! Fine! You all are a club of friends carrying a certain vision of the master! But your master has left behind many such clubs! Invite them! Discuss with them! Let everybody move out and leave the buddhafield virgin, free, open, in a welcoming gesture to all!
This is very important for the future! And it will be very graceful of you to have participated in freeing up the buddhafield of Osho!
Bodh Ekantam
Over 5000 words.
You need to do gibberish.
Arpana,
Bodh Ekantam wrote 2 or 3 posts plus an article about his visit to the Resort. You tell him to do gibberish? You are behaving like you are his Master? You need to open your heart and feel what he is saying. I know Ekantam and he is very humble and simple, silent sannyasin.
Another post is about Ma Sadhana, asking him to arrange Osho camp in Bilaspur Steel plant. You should also read that post of another 5000 words and his comments about Ma Sadhana.
(ED: THE POST SHUNYA REFERS TO IS UNDER THE ‘OPEN LETTER TO FRIENDS AND LOVERS OF OSHO’ TOPIC, SEPTEMBER 29)
He sounds to me like a christian priest .
An open heart is not what you think it is.
Please keep your religious parroting to yourself.
Over 5000 words of priest like nonsense and you say he’s a very humble, simple, silent sannyasin.
Are you serious?
He sounds full of opinions to me. Priest like opinions.
This is indeed a heartfelt, highly emotional, long-winded, often repetitive article, making several points which could have been effectively presented in a lot less than half the space.
Its main point, as Dominic says, is simply that OIF is utterly unworthy, totally unfit for purpose, presenting a very limited, contracted, over-controlled, even ‘heartless’ version of sannyas, which, wilfully ignoring the rich diversity of Osho’s teachings and consequently excluding large numbers of worthy people from participating in the Pune commune, is virtually destroying ‘Osho’s legacy’.
While I have no firm position on this either way, I do think Bodh Eckantam makes good points about the vast range and inherent contradictions of Osho’s teachings and how consequently each individual needs to find their own way, what works for them, and also about the likely and probably positive evolution of sannyas into a network of ‘Friends’ Clubs’ – both formal and informal, presumably – where people of similar bent gather for, er, ‘whatever turns them on’ (as it were). In other words, the outcome of multiple collective versions of Osho! It’s already happening anyway but as Eckantam suggests, there’s room for all types of seekers in sannyas and mutual respect between the ‘clubs’ – phew, I almost wrote ‘sects’! – would be highly desirable, unless we want to play our part in creating a future of yet more pseudo-religious strife.
As things stand, it would appear there’s a long way to go for that happy outcome. Still, where there’s a will (and a meditative way)…
Yet Eckantam, like many Indian sannyasins, apparently, seems quite conventionally ‘religious’ in his impassioned devotional outpourings on the value and significance of traditional aspects, eg historical relics, samadhis recent (Osho) or ancient (Jain and Buddhist), and his enthusiasm for mass gatherings, communal religious rituals. His disgust at the banning of malas and pictures of Osho may well be viewed in similar light.
Moreover, while unquestionably sincere, there’s more than an element of what one might term an equally traditional morality in his avowed distaste for what he (like other young visitors to Pune, eg one or two Russian women who wrote at SN) obviously views as immoral behaviour: alcohol, disco dancing and (shhhhh!) s-x.
My God, has he never heard of Zorba the Buddha?!
He’s young and thus was never around the living Osho, so as with the Russians, I wonder just what he’d have made of the Pune ashram in its heyday…Does he – or anyone of his age on a similar wavelength – actually have any clue at all just what went on back then, how chaotically amoral was the whole set-up? I doubt it somehow, as even some who were there at the time (eg Swami R) seem ‘in denial’ and therefore might well paint a sort of airbrushed portrait of that era. Besides, it’s such a common, almost universal tendency to romanticise the past and for young people to want to project that romantic vision into an idealised future. Although, one might well ask, where’s the evidence of meditation in that?
On the other hand, could it be just the natural swing of the generational pendulum, our immediately post-war lot having to work through so much crap inherited from our repressive collective past, while – largely as a result of our efforts – today’s young people don’t have anywhere near such an urgent imperative; they can take it or leave it, and those spiritually inclined are that much more mature?
Yes, but hang on, this article was written by a young Indian man and does the above often apply to young Indians, even in these changing times over there? No offence meant, just curious.
Everyone who comes to sannyas arrives with varying degrees of ‘traditional views about everything, including traditional views about ‘rebellion’. being ‘anti religious’; and a lot of them never get past those views.
Seems Satyadeva has not stumbled upon Buddha the Jorba yet!
Er, no, Ekantam, you’d be right on that, I reckon…In fact, I don’t know anyone who has, do you?
The Dommentary…
Free sects clubs with mutual respect and seekers of a similar bent coming together would be a firm favourite. Then in joyful union marching on the Cashram and having a meditative sit in. Just go easy on the lentils otherwise it’ll be..’Gandhi With The Wind’..
Dear mds , I agree that Ekantam is ‘ very humble and simple, silent sannyasin. ‘ , is definitely it is rather over whelming to see him come out so ( open ) emotionally .
Ekantam , I guess this is your first ever open catharsis , welcome aboard ! just sharing , my favourite step in dynamic was dancing , ofcourse it took me sometime to realize that !
Kavita! If Osho comes today and starts giving discourse, to you it is going to be catharsis! Strange people here! To say something true too is catharsis! Ma Sadhana has gone so deep in you! To her also every bullshit she pushes into others is Osho Guidance! And it is catharsis if someone simply refuses to accept it and return her back the same!
Ekantam , I accept that I could be wrong about the catharsis part I wrote , in any case let me tell you I have never had any such contact where your Ma Sadhana could possibly push any guidance onto me & last but not the least , PLEASE don’t compare yourself to Osho / anyone for that matter . Enjoy !
Kavita, Arpana!
I have been listening to Osho almost daily for so many years!
Hardly speaking, mostly listening!
I see myself in the light of his clarity!
Naturally that will change me gracefully!
Now if you say something, i see that too in light of not only my clarity but that reminds me of Osho somewhere putting light on the same issue!
So i just share it with you!
What you are saying, had i said that, then i would have listened to Osho and got some of his light and clarity on that, and the cream, i will have, that cream will guide me!
So when you say something, i would do the same!
And cream i would be sharing with you in my response to you!
Now obviously that cream will have taste of Osho in it!
So really i am not comparing myself with Osho or thinking myself at par or above Osho!
Very simple! My thoughts and action – I put a torch of Osho on it – Cream comes out – i enjoy it myself!
Your thoughts and action – I put a torch of Osho on it – Cream comes out — I enjoy it myself – then i give the cream to you too — if you do not like – that is fine!
So really, what ever i have said in my post – it is cream – Came out from torch of Osh – mine is nothing!
Whatever question you put to me regarding my post – i will put torch of Osho on it!
Seems weird to you?
If you start listening (not reading) to Osho regularly, you would be able to stand in my shoes! It is so good!
Thank you B E .
I would like to share with you , please note , Iam in no competition with you / anyone , I worked six hours in the audio dept ( recording Osho’s discourses ) of the Pune commune for a year in 93 -94 , with English Ma.Kamala , Indian Sw.Devendra & German Ma.Mahabub as co-ordinators . And really I have listened more Osho discourses than read his books .
Well you are quite right about you seeming weird , this cream stuff is a bit too slippery for me !
Kavita!
It is really strange!
It is a joy to know, that you have listened so much of Osho!
If you, have heard more than me, it is good for me!
Yes so much can be shared easily!
What competition, we both are sitting by ocean that is osho!
Yes cream is so tasty that i never pondered over its slipperyness!
Right now this cream is getting too sticky & I am off dairy since a while & it suits me well for now.
Anyway All the best to you , Ekantam .
You pompous, self important ass.
Do you think you are the only person in the world who has been touched buy Osho.
You actually believe nobody else has been affected by what Osho has to said like you.
This, on top of your delusion that your words are on the same level as Osho.
Arpana!
You really have eyes!
So many things you have seen in me!
I am just an ordinary traveller on inner journey!
Kept listening Osho!
Osho would talk of so many beautiful spaces and energies!
I will love that!
Now walking and walking, I have started getting glimpses of those spaces and energies!
It gives me so much joy!
So I jump!
And I say!
Thankyou Osho!
I saw it too for sometime!
Then comes a spring in my steps!
Now i walk with joy!
Now i know where i am going!
And i have beautiful friends on inner journey!
They say they got glimpses too!
And we share!
And joy becomes manifold!
If i am only one having the glimpses, where is the joy of sharing?
Ekantam, could you possibly be a lot more economical in your use of !, please, as seeing so many of them gives a rather annoying impression of someone who’s far too emotionally over-excited?
If you’ve really ‘glimpsed’ anything then surely you’d do well to be cool and calm, to contain your energy rather than wasting it apparently trying to impress people (and even perhaps yourself), as any such ‘glimpse’ would seem to be just a beginning – and there’s almost certainly a looooong way to go…And it almost certainly won’t all be ‘ecstatic’. Anyone who’s given you a different impression has done you a disservice.
You appear to be suffering an acute case of guruitis, a condition where the sufferer feels almost ‘duty-bound’ to drone, or in your case, almost ‘shout’, at great length about their experiences and the teachings they’ve come across, as if they’re addressing a bunch of spiritual morons, or at least ‘absolute beginners’.
If you must say something, please keep it short!
You don’t have inner eyes.
Satyadeva!
You too have eyes to see!
I will talk very straight!
Now, I am a disciple of Osho!
I go to his Buddhafield!
I see something very disgraceful there!
I say it straight!
Now, it is published in Sannyas News!
Now people here are all psychoanalysts!
You keep inventing so many sicknesses and project them on me!
When i reply, you advise me to keep calm!
Now this is the calamity with you people here!
You have almost lost the capability to see beauty!
Anything given to you, you will immediately look for negative
and if it is not there, invent one
and project on that thing
and expect that thing to keep calm!
It is so strange!
When i read somebody’s post,
i look for glimpses of beauty
and wisdom in it,
rest I ignore!
It is because I am disciple,
disciple is someone who is ready learn!
If i look at negative of others, or invent negative in them, or show it to them,
ignore the positive in them, how it is going to help in my inner journey!
Satyadeva,
in all your posts,
i always try to find something beautiful
and true,
and if i find it,
i admit it
and thank you for enriching me,
and if there is something with me to share,
I share that too!
Every body has freedom!
You are free to do your own thing!
I am free to do my own thing!
Ekantam, you’re merely parroting Swami R when you accuse people of inventing then looking for and finding problems, pathologies, and accusing them of self-made ‘calamities’. I’m suggesting that if you’ve really had significant “glimpses” then it’s almost certainly better to contain your excitement rather than try to broadcast it to anyone who’ll listen, eg fellow ‘seers’ with whom you can work yourself into even more excitement, including imagining ‘how wonderful it’s all going to be’.
Similarly, I’d advise against any temptation to think you now ‘know it all’ and can therefore interpret Osho to the world, on the strength of having had one or two meditative experiences, however powerfully enjoyable they and their ongoing effects might be. Otherwise, you’ll lose energy that you’ll need to integrate them into your life. You’re clearly ‘on a high’ and good luck to you, but the more you dissipate your energy like that the sooner it’ll disappear.
And do you really think the older ones here have never had such experiences? At your age, for example, I often used to feel as high as a kite after dynamic meditation and/or other Osho ‘energy processes’, together with my share of, er, “glimpses”…All good stuff, even ‘miraculous’ in its way. But, hard though it might be to accept, as far as I understand, ultimately it’s not about ‘getting high’, it’s about the equilibrium of having ‘nothing arising’, to be truly tested, by the way, in the maelstrom of ordinary living. And the greater the realisation, the more life will have to test you…
So for most of us it’s an ongoing lifetime’s work, because it’s not necessarily as easy as you think – and you don’t necessarily know as much as you think – when you’re in the state you’re currently enjoying.
Satyadeva!
I use ‘!” this for playfulness and poetic mood!
Do not take it as my excitation!
If you could some other symbol for playfulness and poetic mood,
I will use that when i write to you!
Sorry for the annoyance, ! has caused to you!
I don’t believe you’re “sorry” at all, Ekantam. And again I assure you taking out these ! would improve your posts, as using so many of them tends to make them come across as over-excited, self-indulgent, immature babble.
Satyadeva!
I know what i know!
What i know really i know!
I have noticed a strange thing in older sanyasins!
They have had their share of glimpses and enjoyed them and then deeper quieter realization!
But when some one younger starts enjoying the glimpses,
they will try to kill their joy by giving them advice ,
telling them about the bigger things which have not come yet!
It is like you see a movie enjoy it as it unfolds and then when somebody younger is seeing the same movie and enjoying its unfoldment, you kill his joy by telling him in advance the end of movie!
Here is how you differ from Swami R!
Swami R has seen a lot in movie, but he is sensitive enough to the younger ones, that when they enjoy and tell, he does not kill their joy, rather he encourages you further on the inner journey!
Osho manages to tell you whole story without killing the joy, that is why he is the master!
But killing the joy of younger travellers and their experience is not something confined to you only, it is very rampant in Pune1, Pune2, Rajneeshpuram sanyasins!
Rarely you come across persons like Swami R who have this sensitivity!
You virtually asked for such comments, Ekantam, by churning out such over-lengthy, self-indulgently over-excited posts, where you’re also foolish enough to imagine you’re somehow qualified to be Osho’s ‘interpreter’.
If you carry on in the same vein you’ll get similar feedback. An alternative would be for you to consider more carefully whether what I and others here are putting to you has any value, rather than just reacting like a criticised kid.
And by the way, your posts aren’t “poetic”, they’re mostly evidence of verbal diahorrea, another symptom of guruitis, a common enough affliction among those who imagine they “know something”.
Satyadeva!
So called “over-excited, self-indulgent, immature babble” is what i prefer in comparison to “Ice cold, editor-critic type , serious stuff”!
This “Ice cold, editor-critic type, serious stuff, just a flat prose” may be of some fulfillment to you, but to a younger sanyasin , it is just a kill-joy!
And inner journey is poetic journey and poetic expression suit it better!
Reading you, it seems i am coming across a boring seminar presentation!
I am sure if Osho would have adopted your way of expression, he would have hardly inspired any one!
And yes it is very strange why “!” annoys you!
One Satyadeva is enough!
One Bodh Ekantam is bearable!
Satyadeva!
You have come to the point “Criticised Kid”!
“What i and others are trying to show you?”
Are you a parent or teacher, or Guru?
Your comments,
what value they have?
Parent you are not!
Teacher, what is your qualification for that?
Guru, have you given me initiation!
It is none in your case!
Do this or Do that!
This is what you are telling me!
Did Osho do it!
Guruitis!
Can you see it in yourself! No!
Total blindness!
Yet you are showing me the way!
Do you bother about how you are coming across to me! No!
Do you thing i will bother about how i am coming across to you! No way!
I am saying I did this! I have not said a single thing for others to do!
This is not Guruitis!
This is self expression!
You and others since very beginning are saying me what to do, what is wrong!
This is Guruitis!
I am just talking as an equal!
I have the same master as you!
You are disciple and I am disciple!
Can you stand as equal!
If you can’t, It is Guruitis!
A criticised Guruitis!
There you go again with those so “poetic” exclamation marks…
You really do need these metaphorical buckets of cold water over you, Ekantam, because you’re too excitable, too excited, too verbose, too full of spiritual hot air.
I stand by my feedback, take it or leave it.
Greetings from Saturn!
Satyadeva!
Is the disciple in you still alive or dead long ago?
Why you have this obsession and compulsion to pour “metaphorical buckets of cold water” over another disciple of your Master?
Why you are so impatient?
Why should another disciple of your Master not be “too excitable, too excited, too verbose, too full of spiritual hot air”?
Why you yourself get so excited with my post?
Have you met any master is as verbose as Osho, Thirty years, 4 hours daily, discourse – was it verbal diarrhoea”
Why it pisses you when another disciple of Verbose Master starts becoming verbose?
Are you disciple of Meher Baba, the silent one,- you will say “Verbal constipation”- such is the Guruitis, You suffer from!
Why when another disciple talks about Osho, reminds you something Osho said, Why it become “spiritual hot airs”?
Osho goes to a garden, sees a red rose,
comes out and tells others,
there is a garden,
and there is a rose!
Swami R goes to a garden, says yes yes yes!
there is a garden and rose!
Now why Swami R appears to you like a parrot, parroting Osho!
I too go to garden and say yes there is a rose!
How i become a parrot of Swami R!
So what is the problem with you baby Satyadeva?
How old are you?
What is it about your age that gives you authority to label so many ugly words on me?
Just see Videos of Osho in his early years!
Can you see his excitation and overexcitation, moving all over india, giving discourses?
Outer rose is so beautiful,
some have painted it,
some have written poems, all is coming from within,
rose has touched them deeply,
heart is stirred,
that show outside,
it needs to be shared!
So really satyadeva,
over-excitable,
over-excited is overflowing of heart!
Is your heart dead?
Why you have such bad regard about your heart?
Why inner journey has become so luke warm to you?
Why you think, inner journey of othes should be as lukewarm as yours?
Satya deva!
If you are a man,
Just go through your comments on my posts,
find out each and every conclusion
you have made about me!
Then define each and every of your conclusions on me!
If you could define it, before sticking them on me,
then it will become very clear
that they infact describe you!
I dare you openly?
Take each derogatory word you used!
One by one!
Define it!
See it!
It is there in you!
It will help you!
To get rid of Guruitis!
It will be painful!
But it will make you!
More human,
more humble
An innocent disciple!
You heart will become alive!
you would be able to enjoy my “overexcitable – over-excitated, verbose, immature babble”!
Guruitis makes you such a cold and dead fish that aliveness, sense of wonder, its expression – starts appearing to you as “overexcitable – over-excitated, verbose, immature babble”!
Now for you Satyadeva!
Osho has said millions before him have reached Buddhahood!
Millions afterwards will reach too!
He is neither first nor last!
Inner Journey is very simple!
Osho has said that he has never said anything new!
Because Truth is Eternal!
Truth is the eternal Rose!
Million had said before Osho,
that Osho repeated in his lifetime!
Millions will see Truth after Osho,
and they will repeat Osho!
Neither Osho is a parrot,
Nor those after Osho are parrots!
This whole flow of truth seers,
Why it appears a lineage of just parrots parroting the same thing to you?
Why you keep missing the things, Satyadeva?
Words will remain same, repeatation will be there!
What is important is the joy of seeing the rose of truth with one’s own eyes!
That joy, can become a song, a painting, a silencee, a laughter, a smile, poetic words, logical words, a dance and so many other thing!
And yes Satyadeva!
This constant itching to label derogatory words on others,
From where have you got it,
Why can not you control yourself form doig it,
Why you think, you have a right to do it,
Why you think others have to pay attention to it,
What is so important in it?
What values your comments have?
What authority you have that the other lacks?
Why can’t you be friends,
equal friends to those who have not seen your Master in flesh!
Why you jump to belittle other disciple of your very own master, the moment you see his heart overflowing with glimpses of his master!
Can you see the ugliness of your mind!
This ugliness of your mind, has destroyed your heart!
My heart is saved,
Osho will do it,
I allow Osho to do it!
Who will save your heart,
Heart’s language is of excitation, verbose, repetitive, immature;
your mind will belittle it all the time!
And this mind of yours Satyadeva,
what it has given you?
What use it has in your inner journey?
Why you are still carrying it around at your age?
Can you see
how many limitations, you have at your this age,
and yet Osho has accepted you as you are!
Have you ever heard Osho belittling those who are expressing their joy!
At your age, Can’t you be accepting others as they are!
Why you think, your advice is helpful in writing post?
What help are they of?
Why you think that i have written it to impress you?
Why you think, good comments from people like you, is what i should aim for?
Osho is a gentle authority to those who consider him their Guide!
He is a Polestar!
You can know your location seeing him!
I am not comparing my self with Osho!
I say my thing and then see where I am and for that i look at Osho, what he said!
Whey you say your thing, I do the same, I look at Osho, what he said, and I know where you are!
Really Satyadeva!
You are just a disciple!
I am just a disciple!
Osho is the polestar!
Whatever you think yourself, you are more than that,
It’s your imagination,
Enjoy it!
Ekantam, please re-read what I’ve already said to you.
If you’re so offended now then I wonder what will be your reaction when you really get hammered (strongly criticised, not drunk!) in ‘real life’, as is bound to happen, sooner or later, especially if you carry on in similar style outside the confines of the internet.
To see ourselves as others see us is one of the benefits of doing therapy groups (and of actually considering what others say, especially if a few are saying similar things). Perhaps that sort of experience might be useful for you one of these days…
Meanwhile, beware of verbal diahorrea, over-lengthy quoting of masters in an attempt to teach others, as that (together with overdoing the !), I assure you, tends to qualify the person concerned as a total and utter bore (although allowances are sometimes made for the perpetrator’s youth and naivete).
Good luck wherever life takes you….
Satyadeva!
Are you therapist or what?
Can you see yourself as I see you!
I was trying just to do that!
You have failed!
Yet you are suggesting me “To see ourselves as others see us”!
Why this “Ourselves” only means me and excludes you?
Why this “Others see us” means only how you see me and excludes how i see you?
What is so special about you, that what you advise me does not apply to you?
What makes you to conclude that I am offended?
Just tell me your qualification which entitles you to give me advice?
Why you think your over-quoting of your stupid advice is better than Overquoting of wisdom of your Master?
If overquoting of wisdom of your master Osho makes me a bore,
Do you know what your overquoting your stupid advice makes out of you?
Not a single question of mine, you are able to answer so far?
Apart from giving unsolicited advice bereft of any merit,
What else you are capable of?
What makes me conclude that you’re offended, Ekantam? To find out I suggest you take a good look at your posts. Then, why don’t you look and see exactly where, how and why you’re offended, rather than merely react rather like a robotic child (albeit one with a few spiritual pretensions)?
If the slightest online criticism disturbs you so much that you can barely cope adequately with it then what good are your “glimpses” anyway? And how, I wonder, would you respond to similar ‘button-pressing’ in ‘real life’?
As I said, better to contain your excitement – and your reactivity – otherwise you’ll simply dig a hole for yourself, as you’re doing right now.
Satyadeva!
I am not offended at all!
I am just pushing your buttons!
Can’t you see that!
I have not gone to your posts!
You are coming to my post!
It is just a funplay!
You are really blind!
You imagine something to be my buttons and push it!
I get a good laugh!
At your age,
You can’t let go!
Let go of a robotic child!
I push your button,
and you come with another conclusion and idiotic advice!
All the terms you have used about me!
You do not know definition of any of your derogatory terms used against me!
Robotic Child – I bet you can’s define it either!
Just go through the posts and see your stupidity!
“Robotic Label Generator” that is you are!
Generate one label – stick it – meaning not known!
Genrate second label – stick it – definition not known!
I am just playing with you!
It is so funny,
this robot label generator satyam deva!
I worry about you too!
Here it is ok!
In real life!
Satyam deva!
Just imagine you sticking a sticker on somebody!
That person asks you what is this, you do not know!
Then you again put another sticker!
Again you do not know what is this!
This you keep doing like a robot!
You see!
I wonder what is your occupation!
How people tolerate you!
Hiding behind more gratuitous bullshine, Ekantam?
You seem to need a few things explained:
When you come online, to pretty well any open forum, you have to be prepared for feedback, including criticism, otherwise don’t bother. This most certainly applies to Sannyas News, as you now realise, although you appear to reject the value of critical feedback in itself, appearing to believe that it’s intrinsically worthless, inappropriate for sannyasins, therefore necessarily ‘wrong’.
Well, if that’s what you think then you’re deluded, as very likely all that belief amounts to is another slice of elitist Indian socio-religious conditioning, where those like yourself are ‘beyond’ challenge, ‘beyond’ criticism, ie you’re ‘special’. After all, you’ve spent years listening to and reading your master, years meditating…And you’ve had “glimpses”…
Let me assure you, things are very different in the West. If you don’t like it then you’ve come to the wrong place, as what’s simply par for the course here is that everything is up for debate and everyone is liable to be questioned, challenged, even ridiculed, including spiritual paths, masters and their followers, friends and disciples – even their “glimpses”, if claimed and/or presented foolishly.
At its best, it can resemble a sort of ‘fire’ where, hopefully, what’s pretentious, naively foolish, over-blown, ie false, is cast out and what’s real and of value can emerge. Something like a reflection of an inner meditative approach, even (well, something along such lines anyway!).
Carry on how you’ve been and you’ll get the same treatment or be simply ignored as another well-meaning bore.
Ma Dhyan Shunya! No need to defend me! How can you defend heart from insane mind! Heart like a roseflower can easily live among thorns of insane mind! Rose is there! Lets enjoy!
Why don’t you keep your dumbass suggestions to yourselves and not shit around in every corner you see empty?
Some can read a novel in one go, some read a chapter, some can read few pages without getting tired and some manage a page. You fall in the category of people who read the title of page and go on writing a book review, which basically is an ‘Ad hominem’ and I bet you will have to google to know the meaning of the term.
God knows what Aparna would advise Osho! Four hours daily for 30 years! Words and Words! Gibberish!
Only God knows what Aparna would advise Osho! Speaking daily for four hours daily for 30 years! Words and Words! Gibberish!
Are you saying your words are on the same level as Osho?
Arpana!
What is so special about the words of Osho!
His words come from the very source of Existence!
What is so special about the very source of Existence!
I am connected with it and hence i am alive!
You are connected with it and hence you are alive!
I can be aware of the very source of Existence and So you can be aware in some moments of time!
I have the potential to be continually in communion with the Source of Existence and Same potential is yours too!
I am walking towards that and You too are walking towards that!
Osho is guiding you and is guiding me too!
I can reach there and you can reach there too!
So my words can be same with Osho’s words and your words can be same with Osho’s words too!
Even now for few moments and later forever!
Away with your knowing arrogance.
Arpana!
“Away with your knowing arrogance”
That is what America said to Osho!
Poor Osho!
He knew so he said I know!
That became knowing arrogance!
Now Osho also says,
What i know you can know too!
I can show you the way!
You walk and see it!
You can know!
Everybody can know!
It is simple!
And do not listen to those,
who say you can not know!
So Arpana,
You can know too!
You may have known it!
Just tell I know!
And then you will see,
it is knowing,
there is no arragance!
Just a simple statement of fact!
If some disciple of your master,
says he knows something of his master,
master himself gets overjoyed,
but why it annoys you,
why can’t you rejoice in that,
that today he has known,
tomorrow i may know,
or today i have known,
tomorrow he may know!
Why this annoyance!
Why this kolaveri di!
Shut up.
Comparing yourself to Osho again.
Arpana!
Practice what you preach!
Shut up!
Can you do it yourself!
If not,
then do not expect other to do it!
That doesn’t sound very spiritual, o exalted one!!!!!!
Is that the correct number of exclamation marks?
Arpana!
That is your problem!
I am not here to please you!
I love”!”
The more the better!
We are not here to please you.
Arpana!
That is true!
There is no need!
I never needed your appreciation!
Bodh Ekantam !
That is true!
There is no need!
I never needed your appreciation!
‘So I am the only master who has contradicted himself totally. It is impossible for fools to build a system out of total contradictions.’
Yes, Osho’s words ring true. Nonetheless, the fools will continue to try and build a system out of total contradictions. Plenty of evidence of that here on SN.
I don’t doubt Ekantam’s sincerity. Not exactly concise, but I suppose it is the sentiment that counts… for some at least. After a few paragraphs of reading I skipped over the article. Perhaps I missed something in doing that and therefore if Ekantam wishes to continue to deliver such long-winded accounts it might not be a bad idea for him to learn how to condense what he feels is most important in his writing into less words. Thus not being able to see the forest for the trees type scenarios will not so easily arise.
Just imagine Osho telling the same truth in so many ways over thirty years! All could have been condensed into silence! But I love Osho for not condensing but instead letting his truth flow into words for years! I love Osho for that!
There’s certainly a lot of flow in India, most of it leads to Insanityation.
Ma or Mr. Dhyan Shunya is back.
My source has given a hint that Bodh Ekantam is using his double as Ma.
Unless and until people come clean and stand for their authentic being, what so ever they say has no relevance.
Both of them, who so ever they are need to make their presence clear and the logic of creating dummies?
Inspector Shantypants is on the prowl.
Ah yes Inspector Shantampantalon (scorpio crossed with capricorn).
The imposters never sleep nor does he. When asked for a statement he said…
“Swiss chocolates are my favourite” and then with usual clarity.. “There is a time to laugh and a time not to laugh, and this is not one of them.”
Shantam Prem!
I am Bodh Ekantam!
This is my facebook address:
https://www.facebook.com/bodh.ekantam
I am an alive disciple in flesh!
As far as Arpana is concerned, not a single piece of creative writing, yet like a thug Indian police man on the cross roads, always whistling to stop the traffic.
To make satires on Christian priests were sounding funny during last century. People who were joking about them have proven first grade duffers, who could not create any organisation worth adding some value to the world.
Christianity has reinvented itself, have taken some efforts to fix the leakage.
And compared to them where we stand-
Our Guru
Never born never died
but wrote the will on
10 rupees Stamp paper,
that he is a books author
nothing more, nothing less.
This is called killing the brand you want to promote.
As far as Shantam is concerned, not a single piece of creative writing, yet like a thug Indian police man on the cross roads, always whistling to stop the traffic.
To make satires on Christian priests were sounding funny during last century. People who were joking about them have proven first grade duffers, who could not create any organisation worth adding some value to the world.
Christianity has reinvented itself, have taken some efforts to fix the leakage.
And compared to them where we stand-
Our Guru
Never born never died
but wrote the will on
10 rupees Stamp paper,
that he is a books author
nothing more, nothing less.
This is called killing the brand you want to promote.
Are you a spam bot, coz I can write a computer program to do exactly what you are doing.
In my never even remotely humble opinion this reminds me of the hyperbolic loose flow from a CloneRaj bored meeting.
More simply tweeted as.. “OIF out out! OIF out out out!”
Hoping frank will summarize it all for us…
Chairman of the bored. Iggy Pop.
It’s true… Iggy says
“I’m the chairman of the bored,
I’m a lengthy monologue
I’m livin’ like a Baba Gora log
I bore myself to sleep at night
I bore myself in broad daylight coz
I’m bored”
A kind of Press Release-
Friends,
On behalf of Chairman of Osho International, his lowness Jai Ho, I heartily invite you for a New Osho Festival.
It will be celebrated in the Krishna House of Black Swan property at Osho Resorts (Pvt) Ltd. Pune.
Please bring your choice of Cigarettes with. Whisky and Chicken Tandoori will be provided by the host.
Let us celebrate 15 th October as Osho Signing the Will Day..
Yours Insincerely,
Ma No Boobs
Spokes girl of non religious empire
Ps. Shantam Prem will supply the fruitcake and is hoping to hook up with some new breast friends.
Swami Hugh Morris
Osho School of Hard Knock-Knocks
If your cronies were for OFI you would be for them, but,
parrot that you are, they are against, so you are as well.
Within 30, 40 years time; all the dust will be settled down.
First generation Osho disicples will be all gone.
Generations of Bookish disciples will go on feeling..
wow!
wow!
wow!
Sri Shantypants has now put on his chameleon cloak and become a clearvoyeur with a crystal ball. One cannot help but be amazed at his myriad repotoire of alter non-egos.
“He’s young and thus was never around the living Osho, so as with the Russians, I wonder just what he’d have made of the Pune ashram in its heyday…” – probably not much these days. For your generation taking drugs freely and having sex on the roof was a big deal/transformational whilst these days it is not a big deal at all. You can do it all! No need of a living Osho there…
So it appears we have this generational gap and thus what was wild then is a norm these days…
What I do not understand is what the point of drugs around Osho was? (who is a drug himself actually in spiritual terms) Yes being born in Briton post the world war must not have been fun and a lot had to be released but having found Osho did you really need drugs and alcohol? – maybe most of you were very young and hence experimental by nature of things…you must have been so hard as a rock that such hard core therapy was introduced in Pune 1.
BTW, being around living Osho comes up a lot which is often used in a context of not knowing Osho unless you directly asked Him a question or 2. I think it is actually irrelevant. Anyone meeting Osho on a spiritual level / meeting his presence can do it today. Most people it appears have not actually met him beyond his physical level in those times. When Osho said that not a single disciple of Gurjieff understood him, what makes you assume that you actually did? I do not think we actually can even on a biological level.
I have met so many sannyasins who sat by Osho’s feet for over 20 years, and? – unfortunately not much to say…. of course there are a few, very few and all of them meditated a lot.
Not everybody was into drink and drugs.
A lot of us let go of it like that once we met Osho.
Chetna! What ever happened in hey days of Osho, all the sex, drugs and all, was not advocated by Osho! It was not that those who were not doing those things, they were told by Osho to do it! Those who were already doing these things, they were simply accepted by Osho as they were! I remember Osho saying somewhere that i accepted you as you are with all your follies! With me I just add meditation and love to you! And then let love and meditation change you! And i am very patient, even if nothing changes, fine, I accept you! You ask Osho, i find you egoist, Osho will not ban you, give a spontaneous beautiful discourse gracefully to ponder over! So there was freedom!
Today it is different, I can not put a photograph of Osho on podium! I have no freedom to do that! I can not ask OIF that it is egoist! I will get banned! There is no freedom!
Just imagine, 50 years back, 20 th century – Osho was open to drugs, sex and all questions in india!
And 50 years since then, 21st century – OIF is not open to even photograph of their master! And ask them why they are so egoist, you get a complicated, business like, with all legal twists and inherent threat to ban – Open letter to Osho lovers from inner circle! A letter where love comes as footnote! A letter closed from all around!
Ekantam, either you’re using your imagination to paint a false picture of what is for you an idealised past, or you’ve been given the wrong idea by someone. Sexual freedom, absolute license, in fact, was positively recommended, advocated by Osho – not necessarily only for its own sake, but in the context of a bigger picture of freedom from repressions, spiritual growth, transformation of energy etc. That was the need of the time and Osho not only went along with the zeitgeist, he promoted it, revelled in it even.
Where young Indians are at now in this regard I really wouldn’t know, but it wouldn’t be a great surprise at all to find they too require much ‘loosening-up’ in this area.
Satyadeva!
You are correct!
Sexual Freedom and Absolute license was indeed positively recommended by Osho!
It certainly plays a part in bigger picture of freedom from repression, spiritual growth, and transformation of energy!
I remember Osho somewhere saying that this bigger picture could be achieved in so many ways! In fact he said that it could be achieved or solved in so much numerous ways that that number of ways would outnumber the number of seekers itself!
Just one book, Vigyan Bhairav Tantra, the book of secrets, on which Osho has commented too, 112 methods are there out of which only two are concerning sex!
I remember him saying that all his methods are for playing with! Play for seven days with a method! If something clicks with you! It is for you! You choose! If it does not click! Simply move on! Play with other methods!
Sexual Freedom and Absolute licence- good if it clicks with you! It is for you! It has clicked with many!
But So are many other methods apart from Sexual Freedom and Absolute Licence!
Osho never forced one method on all!
Any method forced will make the person non playful, tense – will not lead anywhere!
I love Osho like anything for this single quality which makes him outstanding – Go to him – he gives you many options – tells you pros and cons of each and every options – sharpens your clarity and intelligence – and lets you choose what suits your inner nature!
It is almost 18 years now almost daily reading and listening Osho, not a single discourse -where he forces something!
Now on Sexual Freedom and Absolute Licence – Osho will speak with such force – such clarity – it will sound as ultimate to those for whom it has clicked – they stop there – the got it – they got the key to bigger picture — and from there they will go on hammering that on other newcomers – they will not even bother whether it has clicked with new comers or not — and if it has not clicked with newcomer and you are hammering that on him — it creates a hell inside the new comer — he wont be able to resist your hammering – but hell inside him – he will go insane — he will start hating you – hating Osho!
This i am saying from my very own experience! Even when listening to Osho himself – now he is talking with his majestic force and diamond like clarity on one method – it comes inside me in toto – this method is ultimate i am convinced — but it has not clicked — I still try to do it — Osho has said it — I stick to it — I become nonplayful and tense — Now i am feeling like hell inside a pervert — I am split – but there is the difference between Osho and so called Pune 1 / 2 or rajneeshpuram sanyasins — With Osho- I am in hell but i move ahead listening to Osho — then next discourse series — then he is talking totally from a new point – he himself gracefully explains the hell i am in — he takes me out of that hell — he is now talking on another method – so now he will show how the earlier one was not good- how the new one is so good – then i stick to 2 nd method — this process repeated so many times till you reach to that one which clicks with you! With his Rajneesh puram sanyasins and Pune 1 / 2 sanyasins – this is the problem – something of Osho – it has clicked with them – they take it as absolute mandate from Osho to go on forcing that on all the new comers – and if it does not suit the newcomer- they simply start psychoanalyzing that new comer – it puffs their spiritual ego — it makes the newcomer miserable – the newcomer silently withdraws — gets sucked into world – with a false conviction – that he did not fit with Osho – He has no spiritual future! — But Osho is betrayed – A beautiful newcomer with his innocence came to his world — Osho is no more in body – He meets Pune1, Pune 2, Rajneeshpuram people – doesnot get a way -gets either lost in some method which never suited him but he is due to the so called wise Osho people!
Just one thing saved me! That i kept listening a discourse daily! With Osho i went into hells and then went into heavens till i found what suits me!
Hence i say Buddha the Jorba suits me!
I think it is pretty long already, but if you have patience i will try to put another lengthy article on Buddha the Jorba in comment if it is allowed by the editor or moderator! The title is
Glimpses of Buddha the Jorba in Pune Commune
Ekantam, I hardly think Osho taught sexual freedom/license as a way in itself, it was more a release of repressive conditioning, a preparation for ‘higher things’, surely?
I mean, if sexual freedom alone is a path to liberation in itself then millions would presumably already be ‘free as birds’, wouldn’t they? Osho wasn’t that stupid.
Satyadeva!
You are right!
But millions were never given Sexual Freedom and Absolute Licence!
So i do not know!
I remember one discourse of Osho, where he was talking about a rich disciple who did no meditation but live in total Sexual Freedom and Absolute Licence! Osho was telling him that this was his way and he did not need any meditation!
I really love reading Darshan Diaries where Osho would be giving sannyas and talking to individual sanyasin and giving them diverse type of guidance which were sometimes so contradictory but yet beautiful!
Ekantam, millions all over the western world are ‘sexually free’, in the sense that it’s no longer a taboo, they aren’t hung up about it, it’s “no big deal” any more, as Chetna says. But that in itself doesn’t appear to have led to anything approaching widespread spiritual realisation.
If Osho recommended total, one might perhaps say ‘irresponsible’ indulgence to someone then I’d think the purpose would be for that person to act out an ‘addiction’ and/or to simply get sick and tired of the whole business and so free himself to move on to the next stage.
I’m pretty sure that you don’t have to be any sort of master to know that getting as much sex as you want isn’t a way to enlightenment. Although repressed people might fondly imagine it is, or might be!
Satyadeva!
I feel it is very individual!
If some one finds Total Indulgence is helpful in his inner journey in any manner,
he is free to indulge totally!
If some one finds that Total Indulgence is not helpful to his inner journey,
he is free to drop it and look for alternatives,
Osho has given plenty of alternatives!
I`ve heard of a night on the tiles,but “sex on the roof”?
that’s a new one on me.
showing my age,i guess.
my take on these kind of neo-hindu osho styles is that here are people who don’t have a grasp of the whole sea change of modernity and the shifts that took and are still taking place in the west and globally,the is the rise of youth culture,drugs,tech etc etc…(a completely new piece of theatre by the divine playwright)… and the overturning of thousands of years of religion-based “normality”
this is the context of the life of bhagwan shree rajneesh.
buddhas and krishnas may have been enlightened dudes,but what of their billions of mysoginistic,homophobic,patriarchal “religious” followers and heirs who continued to hold the vast majority of their own people as second-class,and despite having over half the population as the shit-shovelling caste still managed to end up in a country caked with and stinking of shit!
they smell that and what do they do?
light some incense and `meditate`
holy cow!.
see how a westernised fellow like bodhisagar, studying for his degree in cybernetics still thinks that a homeless guy eating his dinner off a busy toilet-bowl in india is somehow spiritual!!
hindu brainwashing!
and clowns like chetna are reading deranged nonsense like autobollocks of a yogi and feeling spiritually superior with statements like “most people have not met him (osho) beyond the physical body.”
how on earth could you know that?
what self-serving gibberish!!
open your mind that `spiritual` may not be confined to the absurd utterings of bearded and myopic paternalists.
in no particular order:
the renaissance,albert hoffman,alexander fleming,the french and american revolutions,the suffragettes,marie stopes,rock n roll,pasteur,anton kollisch,frank colton,margaret sanger…..
you think without these guys and only with clownish saffron holy men, would you now be able to have sex on the roof when you want it?
no,love,you`d still be in the kitchen scrubbing the floor and trying to feed the kids all in time before your husband/master came in to rape you,sorry,to demand his conjugal rights!
free your mind and your ass will follow.
I was basically finished with the sixties drug trip when I first met Osho, but somehow had not fully realized it. Talking with Osho about psychedelics on his back porch was the wee push in the right direction that I needed and the way he approached the matter was really extremely savvy. I only ever witnessed Osho give positive feedback to one sannyasin in the sense that he told him to continue smoking hashish and he did. That is why it came as a surprise to me that Osho eventually formed a relationship with psychoactive substances and prescription drugs himself. Osho actually managed to become dependent on some pretty low quality highs as far as the drug world is concerned. Each to their own and really that was his business. As Osho said many times, people were going to have a real job making sense out of the mass of contradictions he lived and spoke in terms of making an organized religion out of it.
Osho publicly kept up an anti drug stance throughout his life, saying in effect that drugs took the individual in the opposite direction from meditation, something which I agree with to this day. Of course when it emerged that he’d become drug dependent himself he started shifting the goal posts on the matter, which was true to form for him.
I reckon many sannyasins met Osho on a spiritual level. He was very good at getting people on that level with him using a variety of techniques. I reckon Chetna misses that point because it suits her to see it that way, which does not concern me at all. I ask you, Chetna, why call a man a spiritual master if he was not any good at getting people onto a spiritual track? Osho was brilliant at doing just that.
I reckon the people who had real direct contact with Osho have moved on in their lives and no longer need a crutch in the form of a guru, because they learned how to stand on their own two feet, so to speak. Of course we have the sannyas bhakti element. Osho never actually encouraged that side of spirituallity although he allowed it, quite rightly, as it is a legitamate path, proved, tried and tested down through the ages. Really he was more in favour of the spiritual rebel, himself being one of the greatest examples of that. To say many people close to Osho did not understand him is speculative bullshit. Over the years I’ve met hundreds of old school sannyasins, whose lives were permanently affected in a positive way by their contact with Osho. The smarter ones have simply moved on and don’t spend much time living in the past, which includes the good old days with Osho.
One of Osho’s big headlines wass that we are all gods and goddesses. I can dig it and I can also dig why not many have the guts to live it. The thing about being a god or a goddess is that there is a certain responsibility that comes with such a lofty title; namely responsibility. People in general do not wish to carry the weight of such a responsibility and hence they experience the need to leave it up to an authoratarian figure in one form or another, be it the state or a guru.
Frank’s above statement is exactly the spiritual transformation I am talking about-still a bit naughty with drugs? Brain damaged a bit, for sure…
“sex on the roof” – comes from Rada’s book, btw, so I am not totally inventive.
Brain damaged Frank, obviously by that I mean the sexual freedom/adventures that many sannyasins experienced in Pune…for those coming after the sexual revolution sex is not such a big deal, taboo….
“Over the years I’ve met hundreds of old school sannyasins, whose lives were permanently affected in a positive way by their contact with Osho.” – agreed, but it is not the same as meeting Him on a spiritual level or understanding him (don’t assume I consider myself on that level) .
Not sure why you guys took my statement personally, as I am only trying to refer to the fact that Osho could not be understood really by either your or mine generation because otherwise we would have been enlightened by now straight after Buddha or another Master of the past and we would live in a much better world.
Since we operate through the mind, we are unable to really see what is.
You lot are obviously convinced you are so intelligent and so advanced …
In a spiritual trading firm, 500 people invested their life long saving. They withdrew the money from the trust fund created by their grand parents and invested all in the new trading firm, when it went to the market.
Around 50 people have got good returns. They got new friends, new life partners and a residence permit in better countries.
Mostly these are the people, who withdrew their earnings before scheme could burst.
Rest of all, who stood firmly with the promoters, simply lost their hopes and dreams.
but amazingly, they look all very contented compared to the minority gainers.
Because, they have understood the small clause mentioned in the bottom, just as in the mobile companies advertisements;
Only Losers can win in this game.
Moral of the story- Spiritual Ponzi schemes are win win business. Promoters keep their grin intact. Customers feel happy to lick their thumbs!
Only Losers can win in this game. Great book, because yours truly has a fool page photo with me and my family in that most holey of publications. As they say on Ibiza, ‘Fuck me I’m famous?’ No clooz which one it is, but I’m sure Inspector Shantypants will be on the job quicker than you can say Peter Sellers.
“Are you there Osho? It’s me Chetna..
Yes that lot are ragging on me, especially that brain damaged drug fiend frank…think they’re so clever…lucky I’ve got this hotline with you… how can anyone possibly understand your mysterious ways Masstah…’cos you are like so awesome….duh!…. all those burnt out old farts what do they know…you only had sex with devotees and took drugs for our benefit… oh god yeess, it would have been an honour…and the drugs just prove that nothing could possibly affect your enlightenment…you are like beyond all that…let them laugh…looking at you now I get a warm fuzzy….we’re not worthy are we….love you Masstah….later chetters
How did you know Dominic? Using the same hotline?
Are you also on the Cuckoofone network?
Gives best coverage with all past masters.
Tried Orange, Virgin-on-the-ridiculous…TiTi-mobile (shantam’s favourite)…not as good.
New Synonyms for Priest-
Inner circle, chairman and members trustees, Therapists and anybody with long beard!
woke up this morning and got myself a beer..
woke up this morning an got myself a beer..
you gotta roll baby roll
you gotta roll,roll roll
thrill my soul all night
alright
you gotta be ba chunka boopa
honk lonk honk
you gotta eatcha puna
eacha bop a lula
each chunka luba
yeah ride!
hey don’t bogart that joint
gimme my pills,man.
er..now.where was I?
oh yeah.
you ever seen this movie scene?i just had this weird feeling,man,like it was actually happening,like here and now,you know?
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An extract from my book…
“Puneography – Sex Drugs and Mala Beads”
Chapter 69 – Sex On The Roof
“After Dynamic, a good breakfast and a shower, the hottest ticket was at the back of the ashram, on the roof at the top of Krishna house. You could go as a couple or hook up there and between the hours of 9 and 12 it wasn’t too hot that you’d get your ass burned while fooling around. Sex after all that hoo-hooing and jumping about was the best you were likely to have, your body primed and capable of much deeper orgasms. From outside it must have looked like a scene from a roman orgy although indians and voyeurs were definitely not welcome. Wearing only mala beads and robes it felt like we were half naked anyway. There were some mattresses to lie on but as soon as it got busy you’d have to make do with shawls and bamboo mats. You could pretty much tell what the nationalities were by the sounds they made, brits of course being quite reserved, but in time they also loosened up. You could lie there as a singleton pretending not to notice but it wasn’t much fun. After about 12, swami haribaals and ma harikant (that was the joke) would get disentangled and head for lunch. The afternoon was too hot so people went home to carry on there, perhaps to smoke some hash before the evening discourse….”
Latest neophyte (and potentially the most intelligent so far!) waits patiently to receive sannyas from swami R.
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Funnee! You had me wondring a bit at first.
Hanlon’s razor is an eponymous adage that states:
“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
Anand Anubodh!
Why you get pissed off by Swami R!
“lastest neophyte” – What is that?
“Outdated fossilphyte” you seem to be!
Is that a small baby I can hear crying?…
No Wait… it’s OK, It’s only Bodh Ekantam.
If I am pissed off or
if I am not pissed off with swami R.
Is completely, totally and absolutely none of your business.
PS.
I have found a keyboard you may be interested in.
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