Some Questions and Answers for discussion from the Oshoworks site
Why have you brought a current Court case about the Pune Resort/Ashram?
We have tried many times to communicate with the management of the Resort/Ashram but all in vain. This is the last try to do it via a court case.
Are you trying to make Sannyas a religion?
The Ashram, in it’s current state is a religion. Just by removing Osho’s pictures does not make it a non-religion. It has everything that what it takes to make a religion i.e. fear, rules, suppression, serious and controlled responses. On the contrary, it would be impossible to make a religion out of a place, where love, freedom, dancing and singing can co-exist with all the differences of the sannyasins around the world.
Are you trying to bring the past back, by using the word Ashram?
We don’t care by what name the place is called, it’s just a name. Whatever is past cannot be brought back, but a new fresh beginning is never too late. We just need to get together and start a fresh.
Why you are spreading negativity?
We are being positive for our master Osho and the place we all created. Power corrupts; we think the current management is corrupt or blind in their power. Raising your voice for truth is not spreading negativity.
Osho appointed these people?
Osho appointed 21 people in His Inner Circle, now there are just 2 left to rule. The other 19 people just left or forced to leave because of many reasons and some even got banned. We have asked this question so many times- to recreate the inner circle, but the present rulers do not want to have a broader base in decision making.
Why not let the place die?
We respect your decision that the place is no longer important for you. We think it’s possible to make this place alive again, full of life, dance and music with diversity. We are all different and we come together at this place to sing, dance and be a little crazy.
Ashram/commune/resort can be brought back to life – it’s becoming a religion (serious, ruled, full of fear), we should get together, what is past cannot be brought back but a new fresh beginning is needed.
Let us make the game interesting.
As a editor of sannyasnews, let Parmartha sends few questions to the resort Management and let us see, how they answer.
they will never answer to any cheapclass sannyasin..they don´t need to do so.. they made alot of money via all those silly customers
I know Parmartha and he is not cheapclass… more supersaver with absolute freedom pass.
No harm in trying to dialogue…
Yes I am high on hopium.
OIF management will never reply. They think they are above everyone. They have no need to make statements to Sannyasins, as they are the only ones who know the way of Osho. We need to go and listen to them obediently in the Resort.
In-groups, out-groups, and the psychology of crowds
Does the ingroup-outgroup bias form the basis of extremism?
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201012/in-groups-out-groups-and-the-psychology-crowds
To the extent it’s based on fear, insecurity and ignorance, yes, I suppose it is, Arpana.
Mealy mouthed faux holy claptrap.
Now Osho Foundation trustees face allegations of fraud http://www.firstpost.com/business/now-osho-foundation-trustees-face-allegations-of-fraud-1033201.html
Vive La Revolution!
Occupy! The Sannyas Spring!
Get up stand up for your rights!
The place is on it’s way out and sold off as prime real estate, if something doesn’t change. I’m guessing the triumvirate have their plan B,C&D in place.
I hear Osho’s spirit in the resort prison, calling out to be set free again.
Imagine…
occupy Poona,that would be nice…..but i’e heard people tried already but doesn’t work.Not enough people at least.
Find the new living master!
jayesh and amrito destroyed the buddha hall – a place that carries the energy of our master – they denied the existence of oshos samadhi – and some say removed oshos ashes from there – certainly his photo was removed and a crappy brass bust put in its place –
they denied it as they planned to sell the pyramids part of the ashram across the road from the back gate – and if there is a samadhi within 300 metres which there is, the place becomes subject to indian law protecting it and a big minus for potential buyers
they created private companies in their own names to divert the income of the trust into – tens of millions of dollars a year income from books alone
then they gave the ashram parking lot down the road to themselves as darshan trust based in delhi – a piece of land worth 50 crores rupees i hear – saying the ashram didnt need it, and at the same time mortgaging property in the ashram for millions of dollars -
thats when these courageous sanyasins finally decided they had to act and take it to the courts –
and it was discovered another ashram property down the road, sanai, was also requested to the charity commission to be gifted to darshan trust –
the ashram assets were being stripped for private benefit robbing the trust set up to support oshos work
meantime all oshos old sannyasins were got rid of by one means or another – other than a few insiders of the gang –
the mission was stated they only wanterd rich business people to visit and spend their holdays and money there -
sannyasin workers were no longer welcome and the running of the ashram entrusted to a private company sodexo, well known for running private jails in america – which has a prison system that profits big time from sending people to jail – america has the biggest prison population in the world, it doubled since it was made private
amrito instituted a fanatic cult known as the no osho master cult – and made devotion or love for osho a crime punishable by banning from the ashram – banning everything to do with osho that his disciples used to connect with him – his photos, his songs, the mala , the podium charged with energy where he spoke so many years
anybody who loves osho is well pissed off by all this and yet found themselves unable to organise against it – sannyasins are individuals, not gangsters
there is still an energy there soaked into the marble – the weakened energy of the buddhafeld, although almost no one goes there anymore – a few newcomers attracted to osho land there but they too soon get pissed off
the place is empty, a far cry from the days when osho was there and even ten or so years after
all it is is a disco and sauna nowadays – bar attached – yet it could be restored – it is a temple that will hold its charge for generations to come if the current “owners” as they think of themselves get out of the way (amrito stated in his deposition to the court ” and then he osho looked into jayeshs eyes and said “i leave you my dream”")
DR, look at it this way … if the Resort were doing it right … there would be nothing left for you to do. Don’t miss this opportunity. Osho is in hearts and minds and not in ‘things’ or ‘places’. There is no energy in the Resort (none that I can feel, because I was never there). You are carrying part of the Resort/Ashram with you and that is what you are feeling. Drop it and be free of it. But I doubt that you can.
I think you’ll find, BV, that DR (on behalf of Sw R) regards winning the ashram power issue as a first, major step towards supposedly ‘transforming the whole of sannyas’ (my inverted commas), with his man very much at the helm.
An African tribe does the most beautiful thing.
When someone does something hurtful and wrong, they take the person to the center of town, and the entire tribe comes and surrounds him.
For two days they’ll tell the man every good thing he has ever done.
The tribe believes that every human being comes into the world as Good, each of us desiring safety, love, peace, happiness.
But sometimes in the pursuit of those things people make mistakes. The community sees misdeeds as a cry for help.
They band together for the sake of their fellow man to hold him up, to reconnect him with his true Nature, to remind him who he really is, until he fully remembers the truth from which he’d temporarily been disconnected:
“I AM GOOD.”
see picture ….
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1185011_231599670328203_806720814_n.jpg
surely some undiscovered part of sannyas…they are dressed in red after all.
Prem Martyn says:
>> An African tribe does the most beautiful thing.
The worse thing that happens to humans is that they are forced to compete against each other from the moment they are born. And until this issue is resolved there will be no peace.
Instead of competition, an outlook of ‘who impresses whom and how’ perhaps should be looked at.
PS All people are not born good. Some are hardwired wrong. They just are.
Osho is in hearts and minds and not in ‘things’ or ‘places’. There is no energy in the Resort (none that I can feel, because I was never there).
Bodhi Vartan is this something new?
Billions of people born and die on earth for more than few thousand years have used the similar sentence. Instead of Osho they have used some another name.
And these are the people, osho confronted his whole life, and after his death have got the similar goody goody people.
I think life of those people is very easy who are asexual and apolitical. No struggle, all peace.
Only draw back is with such people around, humanity has to fight hard to evoke evolution.
This has to be one of the most foolish posts you have written, Shantam.
If you truly believe that “things and places” are more important than “hearts and minds” you really are a lost soul and haven’t the remotest understanding of sannyas or any other so-called ‘path’.
And sex (what’s that got to do with “things and places” – oh, yes, haha!) and politics? With “struggle” in both areas? Is that what Osho means to you?
You’re a disgrace to the regiment, to the Party and to the Ashram, sir!
What is bloody heart and mind?
some flesh, some nerves and blood.
Things, places, people make them alive, give them meaning, poetry.
Problem with rational European mind is that for them Churches and places of pilgrimage have also just become buildings and things.
but one should not lose the hope. Satya Deva can understand the difference between the woman one loves and with whom one works.
Another profoundly misguided one, Shantam (you are excelling yourself today).
Whether or not it’s actually the case, you appear as shallow as a minor stream in the middle of a drought.
Churches and places of pilgrimage, clapped-out ashrams? They’re for sentimentalists like yourself, stuck in your imagination and its ruminations on the dead past.
‘Spiritual tourists’, hopelessly shipwrecked on the periphery of existence!
sataydeva is one who is “hopelessly shipwrecked on the periphery of existence” with his insensitivity to energy, calling it imagination and sentimentalism – mind stuff
and believing that buddhas are concerned with “winning and power” rather than seeking to help the transformation of sannyasins energetically bringing them to the state they enjoy, shows a lack of understanding (to be polite)
Load of typical codswallop, DR, as so often.
If you’re referring to my response to Shantam then you’re barking up the wrong tree as nothing he said today relates to ‘sensitivity to energy’. If you can’t see he’s stuck in his dreams, attached to the past, to the ashram, to his ‘days of yore’, then you’re a poor judge of character.
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i dont think rajneesh is interested in “taking over the ashram” satyadeva – its too much headache to deal with all the vested interests of so many old sannyasins and the corruption that is so entrenched in poona – its better to start again with a new ashram and mostly new people.
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Dhyanraj may look Cuckoo and sound wierd. But many many times, he says the things which are right into the target and he says as an eye witness account.
Surely, the life of a guy is more complex whose wife has run away than those chaps who enjoy the life through the porn!
You’re just the sort of well-meaning sentimentalist, Shantam, likely to create a dead religion from a passing acquaintance with the Truth, focusing on the teacher and where he was in time and space, rather than on what he was pointing to.
Anyway, re your latest post, no use being so vague, ie “many many times”, “eye witness account” –
Stop the waffle, be specific, give examples.
Satya Deva,
There is a Hindi saying, ” If it is not your way, don´t ask for the way”
another similar one is, ” If one is not going to a certain village, why to ask where is that village.”
If Ms. Meera´s one to one energy work has helped you to find the way back home, why this childish curiosity about Osho´s Pune.
Even super markets have signs which say, ” First you decide what you want to take before opening the doors of cooling shelves.”
I know this from my experience, during last few years i was with few women who were really really nice and loving, yet i missed all the time one particular one.
Osho and His people and His ashram have effect like this on many many people. Atleast i am honest to say.
All you’re saying is you want to repeat the past, which is just another trap of the sentimentally attached, dreaming mind that can’t stand where it is right now and imagines, “if only”…
As I said, you’re self-evidently ‘shipwrecked’, Shantam, living off dreams of the past, and probably fantasies of the future. Which is bad enough…
Far worse though, is that you don’t acknowledge this to be the case, that you take all that as ‘real’.
One of the most inspiring Osho discourses I ever went to in Pune one was in 1980 or thereabouts when Osho declaimed that not just those living in his immediate physical presence could be called a Buddhafield, but that from that day forth multiple Buddhafields would populate the whole earth in his name.
He went on to say that wherever his sannyasins were they would take the flavour of Bhagwan (Osho) with them wherever they were, and set the whole world aflame. I imagine had he lived on into the age of the computer he would have also said cyber-Buddhafields.
In the light of that wonderful statement I find it very difficult to understand the need for a centre of pilgrimage. The whole earth is there, and it is enormous, and such a freshness arises in new places and circumstances that in and of itself raises the spirits. Osho should not be confined to some 10 acres of an old British Raj town.
as my last post was mostly deleted – i wont respond more parmartha – the stifling of comment is too much
(ED: IT WAS DELETED AS IT WAS OFF-TOPIC, DHYAN RAJ, AS WERE SATYADEVA’S COMMENTS)
Parmartha said
‘ Osho should not be confined to some 10 acres of an old British Raj town.’
I say
Right on.
there are several problems arising from dreaming yourself a “holy of holies”,whether it is a samadhi,shrine, ashram podium,whatever .
(its always a lump of rock of some sort.)
1. you immediately give your power to the owners of the site.
2. it reduces,relatively,the “energy” of other sites
3. if you`re not there,you`re missing something
4. you end up in a religious war
if you think thats a worthwhile game,good luck to you.
looks like a mugs game to me.
“wherever you go,you take yourself with you”
“my backyard is the true benares”
Parmartha said
‘ Osho should not be confined to some 10 acres of an old British Raj town.’
Parmartha,
Do you have some job opening for such great missionary work.
I will be glad to work on a minimum prescribed wage.
Sannyas News is based on the internet. It is my veritable Osho shrine.
I know that there is only one site or place where I can truly share in Osho’s energy and stare into the infinite flickering light , which is the same, yet different all around the world..
It’s very similar to joining hands together and swaying as one…..
and one can always rest in those reassuring words of this tribal family that reminds one of erring, no not the fish, I mean the minor strayings off topic…when one is gently returned to the source, with the words…
THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED….ED.
If only the same formula had been used in Osho’s famous last words, by Osho himself…
I leave…. my dream
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