During the whole of Osho’s life from 1970, there was the usual (idle?) curiosity about what Osho did each day. I remember in 1974 when I arrived in Poona that “gossip” between sannyasins was often about such things. I imagine it was harmless, – like yes he eats 12 chappatis every day, and devours 10 books, or he just sits in his room, or he just listens to Indian classical music , etc. Or he gossips most of the day with Laxmi, etc. But then and now I cant see it is relevant to some one really working on themselves.. But Osho himself in those days praised gossip a fair amount and seemed to encourage it amongst us.. so whose to say. Here is a later answer on this subject from Osho from 1985 (actually after the shit hit the fan in Rajneeshpuram. ) : Parmartha
Q: What exactly do you do in the bathroom for three hours a day? Or should we not discuss that on videotape?
A: Just I enjoy sitting under the shower, lying down in my tub. I change from hot, extreme hot, to extreme cold, freezing water. That is immensely healthful to the body. One and a half hours is not long. It goes so fast because I enjoy it so much. So three hours go into the bathroom.
Two hours, or two and a half hours in the morning, I talk to my disciples. Then in the night, two hours, just the way I am talking to you, I talk to some journalist, some author. So four or five hours I am talking.
Then I enjoy my food. I don’t like to talk even, because whatever I am doing, I want to do it totally. When I am eating, then I just want to eat and relish every bite to the fullest. So one hour or one and a half hours – because I take two meals, lunch and supper – and then I take, before I go to sleep in the night, my whole life I have taken some special sweets which are made only in Bengal, India. So in all, one and a half hours goes to my food.
Two hours I sleep in the day. I have napped as long as I can remember, and I love to sleep because to me sleep is just meditation, as pure and as simple and as relaxing. And whatever time remains in the night, I go to bed at about ten or eleven, it depends on the interview. I wake up at six in the morning. I love sleeping on a king size bed – I love big things!
Osho, The Last Testament Vol. 1, Ch 8, Excerpt from an Interview with Denise Kovacevic, KATU TV, Channel 2, Portland, Oregon
well,that solves that one then…..
….next!
Two hours I spend re-reading back issues of sannyasnews, two hours I do research for xxx rated sites and the awful depraved western mindset , later I add this research to discuss with my partner which videos kirkegaard would have liked. I then spend two hours erasing all my cookies which contain links to jimmy savile’s favourite moments, later I spend time thinking about how much of this I can do for the rest of my life as a way of demonstrating that the universe and me are here purely out of love. 4 hours I spend avoiding doing anything remotely constructive or with any point whatsoever, after which I spend three hours writing a list of a 1000 tings to do before I die.
Apart from the anti-Osho brigade tirades we have very little intimate info about his daily personal life which shows that those close to him were (and those still alive continue to be) respectful enough not to speak about what should not be spoken about. And I like that.
Crowley was far more honestly forthcoming as far as personal disclosure was concerned. With AC you could feel the man behind the master but with Osho you can’t say the same. Plus, Osho never said what disciplines he used for his personal enlightenment and I doubt he ever experienced an encounter group. If I were to describe him I would say (in the words of Nietzsche), that at some point, he gave himself to himself totally.
For me Osho’s greatest achievement was putting the power back into the spoken word, The Logos. He spoke like a book. His words were more poetry than prose, more like a birdsong than discourse. I am not at all surprised that the vessel of The Logos was so … magical. Up to today I still don’t know where the words were coming from. And that to me is far more important than how many chapatis he had for dinner.
Crowley was a Master? More like an ‘anti-Master’, from what I’ve heard.
“…I doubt he (Osho) ever experienced an encounter group.”
You know, I think you might be on to something there…
“…at some point, he (Osho) gave himself to himself totally.”
Doesn’t this only mean he saw through his conditioned mind/personality – “himself” if you like – and chose to abide in Being with such total committment he was prepared to die (as it were, ie psychologically, emotionally) for It…?
(Sorry about the pretentious-looking capitals, but seemed the right way to write it somehow).
satyadeva says:
>> Crowley was a Master? More like an ‘anti-Master’, from what I’ve heard.
I am not here to defend Crowley but I was into him for twelve years from the ages of 18-30 and he showed me things I couldn’t have learned anywhere else. I always say to people that wherever you go take your intelligence with you. Otherwise Crowley can fuck you up, really bad. He never managed to beat some of his demons so there is no point in trying to battle those demons yourself.
>> “…at some point, he (Osho) gave himself to himself totally.”
Doesn’t this only mean he saw through his conditioned mind/personality – “himself” if you like – and chose to abide in Being with such total committment he was prepared to die (as it were, ie psychologically, emotionally) for It…?
I don’t know what “abide in being” means or if he was prepared to “die” for it or not. If I am to use the words of gossip, I’d say he was selfish and incapable of being in-relationship (and I am not being critical).
Vartan:
“…at some point, he (Osho) gave himself to himself totally.”
SD:
Doesn’t this only mean he saw through his conditioned mind/personality – “himself” if you like – and chose to abide in Being with such total committment he was prepared to die (as it were, ie psychologically, emotionally) for It…?
Vartan:
I don’t know what “abide in being” means or if he was prepared to “die” for it or not. If I am to use the words of gossip, I’d say he was selfish and incapable of being in-relationship (and I am not being critical).
SD:
As far as I know (from other people’s experience, not mine, of course), if he wasn’t prepared to ‘die’ (emotionally, psychologically, ie give up his past, his ‘identity’) for the sake of ‘God’, then he wouldn’t have become the Master he was – and we wouldn’t be discussing him here…
“Abide in Being” is just a convenient term for going deep within and remaining there. Again, from what I’ve heard, you can’t really do that without a considerable degree of ‘dying’ to one’s past, ie to one’s habitual mental and emotional ‘stuff’, ‘processes’, ‘identifications’ (whatever!).
At that stage I guess it is the case that it looks ‘selfish’ and also that one is not that concerned with others. In short, a state of BFF (Bigger Fish to Fry!)….
The term I believe SD is looking for is the one that has no self but a pearl at the centre, at one in the ocean of existence,
DiveIn Shellfishness….
Can one fry shellfish – that’s the, er, burning question, surely?
You clam but fry….but you’ll need kelp from your fronds for the side sailored garnish.
The only mastery of Crowley is being “Master Mason”: such he is a Liar and against Humanity.
Response was for Vartans post, not pm, sorry.
Preetam says:
>> The only mastery of Crowley is being “Master Mason”: such he is a Liar and against Humanity.
I would NOT advise anyone to get into Crowley. He was a pioneer and as such he encountered many dead ends which are not clearly outlined in his writings.
satyadeva says:
>> As far as I know (from other people’s experience, not mine, of course),
>> “Abide in Being” is just a convenient term for going deep within and remaining there. Again, from what I’ve heard, you can’t really do that without a considerable degree of ‘dying’ to one’s past, ie to one’s habitual mental and emotional ‘stuff’, ‘processes’, ‘identifications’ (whatever!).
>> At that stage I guess it is the case that it looks ‘selfish’ and also that one is not that concerned with others. In short, a state of BFF (Bigger Fish to Fry!)….
Scientifically, the brain creates an internal image of the outer and it is through this image that the self experiences the world. This internal image is not a direct representation … it is coloured by emotion.
Once the inner turmoil is pacified and the quiet center is found, the inner (emotional) silence begins to leak out into the outer and one finds the self at the right place at the right time. Experientially, the inner and the outer become one.
So you do know what “abide in Being” means, you devious little Dark Horse, you!
But by simply stating “Once the inner turmoil is pacified” you might well be underestimating the implications of the ‘death’ of the ‘person’. As if it’s as simple as, say, a bit of catharsis, second stage dynamic and there you go, free as a bird…
Death, in whatever form, is rarely a laughing matter, I guess, which is why pre-Awakening Rajneesh looked so disturbed.
Altogether we must bathe in god and sing that scouts fireside salvation hindu ditty…
Kumbh Melaaa my lord Kumbh Melaaa my lord
..
Ps I’ve been in for the last five days with the flu and have not noticed any change by my being confined to abide in abed. Is there somewhere I can get my money back?
I don’t think that people who lived close to Osho keep quiet about his life out of respect. There was simply not that much to keep secret about. What Osho describes really is about the extent of it. He led a very simple life in regards how he spent is time out of the public eye.
I know this because I have a friend, X, who lived in Osho’s house for over ten years. Three years ago I asked X about Osho’s Nitrous Oxide use.
‘That was for his extensive extesive dental work,’ was X’s reply.
I then asked X about his visits from busty females.
‘During the entire time I spent living in his house I never saw any strange women enter or leave his room,’ X said.
X is a very straightforward person and has no reason to lie. Just not that kind of person. Definitely not stupid or in anyway brainwashed. I have to believe their version of events. Taking into account all the reports contrary to what X says it leaves me a little puzzled. It really doesn’t bother me. X did tell me some stories that, out of respect for the people concerned, I feel it’s right to keep to myself. The truth is that Osho lived with a lot of routine in his day to day existence and yes, he did like big things. That is, if you equate big with expensive. So what?
The other day I met an overflowing tea cup, who was telling me Rajneesh was not a real spiritual teacher, because of his fleet of Rolls Royces. I had to admit that as far as a technique for keeping the wrong people away that one really worked as far as that fool was concerned.
cut off with bullshit Lokesh.
“There was simply not that much to keep secret about.” It’s not true.
Please explain, YS. New revealations? Insider info? Sheela’s insurance tapes?
It’s all so…how should I put it?………zzzzzzzzzzz.
Lokesh says:
>> The other day I met an overflowing tea cup, who was telling me Rajneesh was not a real spiritual teacher, because of his fleet of Rolls Royces. I had to admit that as far as a technique for keeping the wrong people away that one really worked as far as that fool was concerned.
The “93 Rolls Royces” was the cheapest advertising campaign ever!!!
Let’s get some numbers down. In terms of business, on the Ranch there was around £100 million on the ground and around another £100 million in loose cash. The Rollers, about half were owned and the other half on leases and other various arrangements. Total cost, about £10 million. That’s 5%.
Take any other multimillion pound business … How much do they annually spend on advertising? Rolex every year spends more on advertising than making watches. The same goes for Coca Cola.
And you want to know the catch? At the end of the day, the Rollers were still our Rollers and the actual cost was … nil!!! Thank you Bhagwan!!!
For what? Covering the same old same old?
its mostly always been interesting to know details about Osho’s life & death from persons who have lived in close proximity with him , even after reading , listening to many such details over the years , the interest hasn’t diminished , I sometimes wonder why ? perhaps it is bliss that i have been for looking for & perhaps only mystery can create bliss !
I agree about the mystery bit…..sometimes I ask how much longer can my gf stay in the shower..is she heading for the womens osho gold medal ? And all the time I’m in mystery, she’s in bliss … with oooooohh and ahhhhhh and yessssss…. and that’s so goood….mmmmmm ahhhhhhh……
I believe a pulse action shower head comes without instructions for girls…….
Kavita:
perhaps it is bliss that i have been for looking for & perhaps only mystery can create bliss!
SD:
Bliss? That sounds a bit far-fetched to me…You haven’t had a drugs-related background, by any chance?
What about well-being, isn’t that good enough?
And isn’t it Love you’re really looking for?
SD , i did have close friends who were into drugs so I have been a passively involved , they aren’t presently into it . bliss is perhaps far fetched , aren’t most of us here fetching for the farthest ?
”And isn’t it Love you’re really looking for?” – SD .
i guess to me love & bliss are not different SD , if they are to you , could you kindly share ?
Kavita:
bliss is perhaps far fetched , aren’t most of us here fetching for the farthest ?
i guess to me love & bliss are not different SD , if they are to you , could you kindly share ?
SD:
So if bliss and love are synonymous then love too is “far-fetched”?
I think you’re probably right, Kavita, although perhaps it depends what sort of love you mean: ordinary human love, with its implicit opposites of hate, jealousy etc., what might be termed ‘emotional love’. Nothing too special in that, I suppose…
Or that which we’ve had intimations of from various living Masters, Osho being a prime example, ie impersonal love, cool as a summer dawn…
yes SD emotional love , is the stepping stone towards impersonal love .
& the journey from emotional to impersonal is tough sometimes & sometimes a joy ride !
i guess the glass is 1/2 full & sometimes 1/2 empty , inbetween there are moments of fully empty !
Kavita:
yes SD emotional love , is the stepping stone towards impersonal love .
SD:
I guess we have to get into it to get out of it…By realising its limitations….
somehow for me getting in / out , is choiceless .
my glass is fully empty now , going for a refill !
You two need a cold shower..this is turning into 50 shades of orange….
pm , i would prefer a warm one though ! anyway going for a walk now !
Sorry to embarrass you with such a public show of the most profound intimacy and spiritual insight – I tend to forget others are watching it all on here…
I think they’re on Love Potion Number 9.
re…”you have to get into it to get out of it”…
maybe kavita is right:
getting in/out of it is “choiceless*.
as i see it…
if you get into it with the aim of getting into it for the purpose of getting out of it,you wont get fully into it,as you still have the thought in the back of your mind as you get into it,that you want to get out of it.
this will prevent you from getting fully into it or out of it.
so you will get half stuck in it
and half-stuck wanting out of it.
relax.personal and impersonal love are probably all part of the same totality and not opposed at all.
like looking at the same river from a different viewpoint.
frank:
also.personal and impersonal love are probably all part of the same totality and not opposed at all.
like looking at the same river from a different viewpoint.
SD:
“opposed” might not be the best word…It’s just that impersonal love doesn’t appear to have an emotional component – attachment, jealousy, hatred etc. That’s why it’s literally ‘cool’, i suppose,.
ok,hatred jealousy etc .
no one in their right mind wants to stay stuck in that stuff
but this “impersonal” love…
it does show signs of emotion,surely?
smiles…
joy…
laughter…
or do these `impersonal love` characters keep a completely straight face all the time?
Well, I think we know the answer to that, frank…
But let’s add moodiness, depression, general negativity, chronic sadness, grief, emotional attachment to partner, children, job, home etc., even so-called normal ‘ups and downs’ to the emotional mix and see whether these “impersonal love characters” are subject to them as well…
Where do you imagine the supreme equilibrium of an Osho emanates from?
Not from merely deliberately seeking ‘good times’, fun and laughter etc. but from having ‘nothing arising’ (as Buddha reported his ‘enlightened’ state), doesn’t it?
you are a gentleman SD , i accept your apology , yes it is a bit embarrassing to talk about such intricacies in the midst of all our respected -fellow -bloggers !
SD : “i think we all know the answer to that”
what is the answer?
that the impersonal love geezers do experience and express positive emotions?
Of course, frank – but don’t you think it’s worth noting that they’re apparently not at the mercy of, at the effect of (as it were) the rest of the emotional spectrum?
Perhaps you think they are?
My understanding is that they’re rooted in and living from a different space (call it a different consciousness, I suppose), free of fear, including and especially the fear of death, free of emotional dependency needs – the ground of being of impersonal love.
Kavita says:
>> … it is a bit embarrassing to talk about such intricacies in the midst of all our respected -fellow -bloggers !
Yeah right …
We know you love it.
Kavita:
perhaps it is bliss that i have been for looking for & perhaps only mystery can create bliss!
SD:
What exactly do you mean, Kavita? Sounds a very ‘mysterious’ statement….
Existentially , i guess the Osho gold medal has been very appropriately awarded to Anando , so now there is no race for the next 2500 years , as for the mystery bit that shall always be a mystery !
What Osho did in his bathroom, or anywhere else seems uninteresting to me.
I think he got fed up with these type of questions so finally decided to have a laugh with his answers.
I also dont think Osho’s “biography” is interesting. He once told a friend of mine to write his biography and “make it up”. I think that is what he himself did in “Glimpses” and under the influence of nitrous, so it really was a bit of a fantasy. And he did that to still those who want to “explain” somehow how someone reaches to the beyond, but no biographical detail is important, cos it can happen to anyone, and anyone with any biographical history.
In the early days I had the clear impression he did not want to talk about his “past”, or his history and that was intentional..
Yes, respect and loyalty is worth a theme. Big issue, in such a selfish confused world.
Preetam says:
>> … Yes, respect and loyalty is worth a theme. Big issue, in such a selfish confused world.
Loyalty only works one way. You have to be loyal to the boss but he doesn’t have to loyal to you. Osho was loyal to no-one. He was operating more from the position of ‘a lover’ rather than a position of ‘a friend’.
Loyal… unto Truth, absolute… neither more nor less. To me, driven he is by Love and Respect, but rather a “Rebel”.
Boss, Truth… Loyal always Hiraṇyagarbha. Respects we realize if have discovered Truth.
Respect through the essence Truth, Mind brings it together for individual understanding, still the same (Sarman). Useful as Atman… a tool to understand the nature of true Self. Realizing what is playing the whole and is still our essence… the seed of the same flower that perhaps blossoms into beyond.
Parmartha says:
>> I also don’t think Osho’s “biography” is interesting.
Great statement Mr P. But I bet, walking in his shoes must be … (interesting). As you know it is forbidden to show images of the prophet Mohamed … some years back a movie was made about the life of Mohamed and as they couldn’t show him they made it as if seen through his eyes. Now that would be a fascinating Osho “biography” …
I wish there was somewhere opposite to wisdom’s enlightened love parlour where all the worst of humanity would be consigned …to suffer torment and hells fires not as some pretend fear but as a real place that even if they weren’t caught by human justice , innate justice would prevail…. this idea that redemption can happen to Angulimala, the mass murderer in Buddhas time is just not on… first they have to know that getting away with nastiness is not possible…I cannot remember a single word osho spoke on the concept of justice by acts.. sure preventative justice , building awareness but nothing about what happens to those who live out their lives knowing that nothing is proven for their eternal or even temporary damnation…..So whilst being in blissy wissy lovey dovey is very nice, there’s actually much more one can do in ordinary terms to make the world a more just and kinder place, together as well as in personal redemption. And if anyone wants to know who is on my list it starts with animal torturers, eaters and t pure filth of all the pain creators everywhere…Someone asked god ..we were hoping you would do something, and he replied ….i was hoping you would….
obviously this is a penal planet heading for polar cap disater so in the long run the universe has said…. tick tock bye bye mass humanity….
Prem Martyn:
I wish there was somewhere opposite to wisdom’s enlightened love parlour where all the worst of humanity would be consigned …to suffer torment and hells fires not as some pretend fear but as a real place that even if they weren’t caught by human justice , innate justice would prevail….
SD:
Trouble is, wishing such torment on others is, mentally anyway, bringing us to a similar level to the ‘evil ones’ themselves.
Maybe seeing that wish in ourselves to cause pain and suffering might help us understand, to some extent, how some can actually go ahead and commit the terrible acts?
Isn’t it pain that causes us to want to cause pain?
And how can pain cure pain? That just plunges the collective psyche further into the dark, doesn’t it?
SD, this is something which is only dynamically resolved by creating karma……
Not by considering it. Thus we have Osho welcoming trouble, not avoiding it.Even if the fan did whirr and wobble, it created models of behaviour a $6.50 evening with a dualist advaeaterist would only dream of. Back in the seventies a swiss anarchist director made a film of how the sixties dreamers would build new models of living with ‘Jonah who will be 25 in the year 2000.’
When we realised the end of the communes and the begining of the world, the same urges in us became latent, rather than readily actualised. At the mo’ my ex is working on a veggy enviro collective education farm project , somewhere in europe. I myself spent time in Norfolk virginia protesting elephant abuse by Ringlings circus, with a video strapped to my chest for parents to see what really happens.
We all do what we can. To restrict consciousness to consciousness is not a real representation of how most of us get through the day.The song remains the same though… never give the suckers an even break, and like I said to undercover police on my underpants protest in Pamplona once, together with lots of bare titted gorgeous girls, challenge every form of abuse in every way, through language, information, dissemination, praxis and collaboration.
Oh and on the subject of how injustice seems to have a fatalistic field day….because the ethicists cannot decide which shoe to put on first before they step out….. yes of course …..I avoided the writing of the implications because that would determine the nature of enquiry….if you have established yours in perpetuity…..fine…
Me… oh you never know where my old age will take me… i’d like to still cause myself a few surprises… the peasant eagle shooters of malta and sicily would be a nice target ….I’ve got a whistle and a saucepan if you want to come next autumn for a party…. it worked on my little homestead in greece,
Cheers…
Well, taking that sort of positive action is a long way from consigning the perpetrators of ‘evil’ to frying in Hell!
I somehow doubt you’d actually want in reality to be the one who plunges the knife in, or who presses the button on the machine of eternal torment…Would you?!
The question remains…. what innate lack of justice allows those without anything worth the name of human being to get away with the nasty stuff, whilst we spend time coloring in the pretty pictures…. and what is the final bill…? At the mo we are on the tail end of ten years of war exports, probably somewhere down the line gearing up for an iranian confrontation, where we will be asked the very same questions in the name of what even the ex trotskyist hitchens supported…pro western wars on request…and the ensuing powerless fatalism of that whole mindset which relegates integrity to an also ran…
Turning the tables is no bad idea….and may make life worth living when you know we are not just re-arranging the furniture on the titanic.
And you ask about being able to sleep at night….correct I’m not in force ten from navarone, but to say my snoring is deep when I read of the eighteen or more hunters this year killed in italy from their mates… its so sad…sniffy sniff sniff..
Well, yes, human beings have created a dysfunctional world that’s possibly heading towards oblivion. So, what’s new in that?
If you want to dish out ‘justice’ in similar measure to the crimes you’re denouncing then you’re basically part of the problem, aren’t you? Perhaps you and I are just that..?
Looking outside for solutions is just focusing on effects, not fundamental causes.
The inertia is new because darwinian technocracy having provided for evolution fails to empower the soul..its an issue for how deep the conditioning runs through failing to self fulfil then being left with absurdity…an endless narrative of false gods or paper cakes…with breeding being left as the sponge for meaning.
I wouldn’t trust anyones digested take on living in consciousness from SN.. no matter how earnest the conceptual flow… nobody here can guide themselves to the point of translucency , let alone anyone else …but we can be a little more assistive if we show where and how we operate best and what understanding was gained.Dissecting metaphysics might come easy to krishnamurti, but he was still as boring as shit as any thing longer than ten minutes on youtube will prove. I try to avoid that in me in public at least.
shantam for pope!
prem martyn says:
>> … I wouldn’t trust anyones digested take on living in consciousness from SN.. no matter how earnest the conceptual flow… nobody here can guide themselves to the point of translucency, let alone anyone else …but we can be a little more assistive if we show where and how we operate best and what understanding was gained …
There are no teachers or students here, just a bunch of osho’s buddhas having a chat. Nobody said it was going to be easy. We are in an unfamiliar (for us) space, and we are trying to figure out, how to use it for our common amusement/good. I currently don’t have an answer as I am just beginning to formulate the question.
prem martyn says:
The question remains…. what innate lack of justice allows those without anything worth the name of human being to get away with the nasty stuff …
There is no justice, they lied to you. And they are still lying because that is what they do. You have to stop listening so you can stop living your life in reference to ‘them’.
Jesus fuck me sideways …I swear I the voice of the lawd …it definitely came from above…or was it behind the cupboard…. and he’s got a greek accent..
Bloody marve innit boys , I just say the life is like grekk democras .. ees all up the spoutyhole…
That popes , cor blimey what a laughs innit…ee don’t even use the three finge… so I’m give ‘im the two instead….
Anyones wants a buy nice mirak’ eh… ? Come jerus’ gots the eternal flames and nice cheap merceds benzo… cheap for yu my fren….
prem martyn says:
Jesus fuck me sideways …
I don’t know that position, can you elaborate please …
No advise or hind of me, just a thought….
God can’t do anything within the created world, he just can watch. From that side comes energy what in the beginning expressed him self through the big bang. After creation, we are his (same) “possible” tool, nothing less, to me.
The Whole of it is the Love parlor… Quantenphysics found that two pieces which where in the Beginning one still has the same connection between. They found out that it works with a speed of 10000 light years per second or something in that dimension. Einstein’s relativities Theories seem very limited.
Cause for a big bang is a glimpse within our self, cause for this big bang is our joint (Love?) space. Is the explosion of it within him self perhaps the same (Sâman) within our self? As I would say the cause are our jointly true self. Even the Atman is that expression, caused too through joint love as it is available through realizing.
I have found a very interest lecture. Pity only German, I put it, if someone speaks it perhaps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SR4em3IfeaA#
It is to me a proof closed our reality, physical expressed caused by the spirituality of our joint self.
I like much what the Atharva Veda says about Kâma what means Love, here:
IX, 2. Prayer to Kâma (love), personified as a primordial power.
Below the Link for the Atharva Veda, if someone likes the input from there:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/av.htm
Sometimes while reading Osho books it makes me wonder: Is this really a question of a seeker? bathroom and toilet talks do not turn me on, help or entertain in any way. What a waste of Master’s time to talk about it…
Another one is on sex-did Osho have sex?
It is assumed that Osho should not have had any privacy, any things he liked, any entertainment etc. And who’s business is that? How does it help to talk about it?
It is a real shame that not much was received in silence, we need to talk about toilets..
chetna says:
Sometimes while reading Osho books it makes me wonder: Is this really a question of a seeker? bathroom and toilet talks …
This issue came up many times during Osho’s life … he wanted to expand upon the mysteries of the universe and sannyasins wanted to know about their chakras and love lives … and the answer to that is, that everything is divine, including love lives and toilet talks.
Chetna you never came across osho’s advice for using a good shit in the toilet as a time to let go ? Similar to the advice on sneezing osh said collect all your negative experiences anything unwanted at poo time and see them going down the pan….
Now let’s all wash our hands…..
First time in 500 years, head of Christian church will resign.
This is let go!
We,the Osho sannyasins laugh when Osho makes fun of Christianity and the institution of Pope..
There is a need to look within, what kind of jusitce we have done to our master..
Is there a need to remind, Osho died just 23 years ago and not 2100 years.
I feel Jayesh and Team should RESIGN too. Sannyasins should chose a new management team who is honest and broad minded in the interpretation of Osho’s dream; His vision of New Man.
In other words, Shantam, you want what you want, not what some other people want. So it’s degenerated into another game of politics, which is always based on power – who has it and who wants it.
You think you know better what ‘His vision of New Man’ actually is, while others will disagree. How many interpretations are there anyway – two, three, ten, five hundred, ten thousand?!
What a waste of time and energy….
Master was on the death bed..Master has taught his whole life about the virtue of letting go. Virtue of non attachment, virtue of finding a match stick in one’s jacket!
He wanted a new kind of man on the earth. The man who can let go of their gurus too.
So he gave His last message, minuets before the great departure.
” I am not the only one in the business of distributing truth. There are other entrepreneurs too, may be quite smaller in their inventory. Don’t hesitate to buy your daily use of truthful words and soothing energy for your wounded soul from them. You will also meet many dubious traders, but don’t feel bad in case you feel used..This is all part of learning experience.
And yes, don’t forget to take notes and coins with you..as many of these small kiosk owners don’t accept credit cards”.
And with this master master blinked his eyes one last time..
History says, since that time, his disciples are travelling all the nooks and corners of the world in search of freshly baked truth.”
more papal bull !
hail ! pope pius shantamus jullundurus puneus punanius gibberus (LXXXVIII-MM)
“dominum nostrum monologium onanissimus est”
hail Gluteus Shantams Maximus, fuhrer of the 3rd sannyas reich… the oracle of oration, prima donna of pune. nice to have you take the helm.
shantam prem says:
>> virtue of finding a match stick in one’s jacket!
He has given us a sign, the matchstick. The matchstick. Come follow the matchstick.
it’s alleged that the Pope Kraut I resigned due to scandal.. his butler served horse steaks instead of filet mignon… what an organization will due to save money… someone’s gotta save the Vatican Bank.
Talking about a day in the live of a master, try talking about “5 decades in a life of a master”- in today’s (2/12/13) New York Times article in the “World” section, accusations against the famous Zen master Joshua Sasaki, that he “groped and sexually harassed female students for decades…” interesting read considering the old man IS an old man- 105 years old– way to go pops!!!
babasvetlana says:
>> the famous Zen master Joshua Sasaki, that he “groped …
I don’t get this groping… Don’t they think anyone is going to notice? Wouldn’t it be better to ask for permission?
Maybe he just wanted to use his Zen stick.
every monk or “religious” figure who deeclares himself celibate should be tested once a year for verification.
it would be a bit similar to drug testing for athletes.
biology and technology has certainly advanced to the stage where there are clear-cut methods to find out whether these kind of claims to celibacy can be proved or otherwise..
i`ve had enough of these
pervert popes
randy roshis
and groping gurus
and their so-called spiritual wisdom….
how about you?
frank says:
i`ve had enough of these
pervert popes
randy roshis
and groping gurus
and their so-called spiritual wisdom….
how about you?
Sex is best when it’s offered. Unfortunately some are wrongly wired and get their sexual pleasure from the discomfort of others. It is a pathology and should be seen as such. No excuses.
You know when you drop a book and it opens at the page that has your answer? On my current list is the “The Zen Manifesto”. This I listen to on audio (so it’s taking its time) … Chapter 8 on Inscape (what a word!!!) … (below I am giving the meat of the subject but check the whole of the answer)
First, the questions from the sannyasins.
Question 1
The first question:
APPARENTLY SEX WAS USED BY SOME ZEN MASTERS – FOR EXAMPLE, IKKYU – AS A WAY TO TRANSFORM ENERGY. HOWEVER, IN NO TRANSLATION TO DATE DOES EVIDENCE OF THIS APPEAR. IT SEEMS DISCIPLES EXCLUDED FROM THEIR RECORDS ABOUT THEIR MASTER ANY MENTION OF SEX, FOR FEAR THAT THEIR MASTER WOULD BE MISUNDERSTOOD.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT?
Sex is not talked about by Zen masters, simply because it is taken for granted.
Sex is a long way. Nothing is wrong if somebody chooses the long way; if he enjoys the journey,
there is no harm. But if somebody wants a shortcut, then meditation is available as a shortcut. It is really reaching to the same experience, but by a shortcut.
he “groped and sexually harassed female students for decades…”
Is this sentence not used hundreds of times?
It is almost like Royals screaming foul, whenever some Bikini Photo of their new member is published.
dont worry shantam,
when you become pope, you will be able to grope as much of that blue blood bikini-ed totty as you like, rather than just imagining what their members look like from pics in the daily mail…..
I have watched many people who feel great to say, ” Appo dipo Bhava..be your own light”, therefore no need of master no need of seekers gatherings..
And wonder is majority of these people have all borrowed around them. Follwing fashinonable myths of a certain time is not a sign of great search.
This is one of the tragedy of Spiritual seeker. His false confidence arising out of texts books and that too translated from foreign languages..
World newspapers are full with the story of successful athlete known as Blade runner. Boom boom boom, with four shots he has killed his super duper gorgeious girl friend..
Whenever i read such news, i remember Osho Ashram Pune..
Hundreds of thousands of wounded males have released their rage on pillow covers. What to say about killing, not even a slap was needed…
The decline of Osho Ashram under the political and social pressure of masses and power intrigue of the core group is truly a loss to the world.
If the thankless beneficiaries show a bit of courage, one of its kind institution can again become the hot spot for emotional surgeries.
Its revival will be the truest homage to Osho, the visionary mystic.
“Hundreds of thousands of wounded males”, Shantam?! You’re discussing the Poona ashram, not avian victims of an oil-slick.
Besides, isn’t an ashram a whole lot more than just another therapy centre?
hundreds of thousands of wounded males releasing their frustrations on pillow covers?
i`m just not going to go there…
btw.
“osho ashram pune”
OAP?
Besides, isn’t an ashram a whole lot more than just another therapy centre?
Atleast Osho Ashram was; much more than a therapy centre.
This much more” is still there, but with Massage Paralour!
In the cut throat world of God business, where dog..sorry Maharaj eats maharaj; the biggest catch is Imported girls as disciples. Once few Western women are around the Baba, rest of the marketing is done by itself. Masses of villagers find it easy to beleive in the competence and high credentials…
The latest “golden baba” is the cover news of a famous Hindi newssite,
http://www.bhaskar.com
Those who missed Osho or Punja ji have the chance to get the glimpse of real one. Even Lokesh will find it useful.