The Vehicle of Buddha
Osho said in “No Mind: Flowers of Eternity” after quite a long absence from the podium in 1988 the following:
My Beloved Ones, I have been too long away from you. But this “awayness” was just like the glasses I’m wearing. Although you cannot see me, I can see you. I used to hear your “Yaa-Hoo.” And each time I heard it, stars showered over my small hut. ….. …..
I had to come out today for a special reason. A few months ago in Bombay, Govind Siddharth had a vision that Gautam Buddha’s soul has been searching for a body. And he saw in his vision that my body has become a vehicle for Gautam Buddha. He was right. But this is the misfortune of Siddarth, that you can go wrong even though you had touched upon a point of rightness. Because I (have previously) declared him to be enlightened, he has disappeared. Since then I have not seen him. Perhaps he thinks, “Now, what is the use? I was searching for enlightenment and I have found it.” Enlightenment is only the beginning, not the end. He came very close and has gone very far away.
However I was waiting something about this from a Zen source – ie that Gautam the Buddha is trying to use my words and my silences, my heartbeats and my inner sky to create a few more rainbows, to spread a few more flowers in the world. That recognition has now come from a very famous seeress and prophetess from Japan.
One of our sannyasins was there. He could see the sincerity of the woman. She never praises anyone; her insight is clear. He was afraid to ask about me, but finally he decided to ask and without any hesitation
she said, “I was waiting for a messenger. You have come at the right time. Gautam Buddha is using Osho’s body.
“Right now take these twenty-one very precious real pearls as a present to Osho with my congratulations that a soul that has been wandering around in search of a vehicle and has found it.”
The sannyasin was a little doubtful, because he said, “Osho’s body has been poisoned in America. Will Gautam Buddha accept a vehicle which has been poisoned?” The sincerity of the woman reminded me of Almitra of Kahlil Gibran’s PROPHET. She said, “Have you ever heard that a Satan or a devil has been poisoned? It has been the destiny of the Buddha’s. Don’t think that the body has become impure by poisoning. This has been a fire test, and
Osho has come out of it. You take these pearls and my message, and I will be coming myself to pay my respects.”
… … …
But as far as Gautam the Buddha is concerned, I welcome him in my very heart. I will give him my words, my silences, my meditations, my being, my wings. From today onwards you can look at me as Gautama the
Buddha.
Katue Ishida, mystic of one of the biggest and most famous Shinto shrines in Japan, stated at the time after seeing Osho’s picture, that:
`This is the person that Maitreya the Buddha has entered. He is trying to create a utopia in the twenty-first century. Lots of destructive power is against Him, and some people call Him Satan. But I have never known Satan to be poisoned. He is usually the poisoner, not the poisoned. We must protect this man, Osho. that Buddha has entered Him.’”
I just love it.
wasnt osho trying to do a major PR coup on japan at the time…?
remember, in those days it looked like japans economy might take over the world….. that was before the 1990/91 crash that they never recovered from…
and it seemed that maybe half of japan was ready to take sannyas on the back of that “very famous ” japanese neo-theosophist old bird `s testimony…..
dont forget to put up the whole story….
how it all ended a bit chaotically,with osho having to boot buddha back out of his body for having irritating and finicky sleeping habits ,like insisting on sleeping on only one side of his body….. and also complaining about osho`s having a jacuzzi…..poor old buddha was used to just washing his bits in a basin by the sound of it….
and i would love to have seen the look on buddha`s original face when he found himself tripping out of his head in a dental chair in a room full of mirrors…
man,he must have freaked right out!
poor guy…i`ll bet he was glad to get back to a bit of normality in his own astral body or wherever it was he came from….
Osho says:
“And each time I heard it, stars showered over my small hut. ….. …..”
My small hut? Maybe he had been reading too much Basho who did live in a small medieval hut…. but Osho, he lived in lined marble and luxury. Odd really he described his abode in this way. Maybe despite the apparent luxury that is how he experienced it.
I remeber what an absolute outbreak of laughter this thing about buddha engendered in 1988.
As for the “little Hut” bit I remeber that this Osho was not attached to anything but he did like being looked after well.
Particularly by lovely caring persons.
It was an honour to experience him.
Just passing through
When I read Osho’s above words it makes me wonder who or what I thought I was when I could have taken such nonsense seriously. Today there is so much being said about Osho’s legacy and vision etc. This to me would encompass such things as Osho’s books, discourses etc. Alas, those things will never really capture who and what Osho represented. Over and above anything he was an energetic phenomenon.
In the beginning, I have to admit that books such as Way of the White Cloud had a powerful impact upon my life. Time passed and Osho’s words became less important to me. Hardly surprising when he himself talked much about the space between the words. Ultimately, Osho was to me all about his incredible presence and the transformative effect that it could have on people.
To take Osho’s above declaration to heart requires a whole lot of givens many of which Osho actually debunked during the course of his life. Take the following from the Buddha as an example of what I am driving at. The Buddha said, “Oh, Bhikshu, every moment you are born, decay, and die.” He meant that, every moment, the illusion of “me” renews itself. Not only is nothing carried over from one life to the next; nothing is carried over from one moment to the next. So how can we then have and I quote: ‘Gautam Buddha’s soul has been searching for a body.’
If one takes Osho’s above statement seriously one will end up confused as to what is actually going on in the bigger picture. Maitreya also claims to be channeling Buddha’s whatever and look how corny that sounds. Osho could carry such declarations off but it reeks of bullshit to me today. If one feels touched by Osho I suggest to stick to that vibe because it will stop you thinking and bring you closer to who you really are, that’s because Osho was a great vibe in the symphony of life. As for statements like the above…a lot of hot air escaping from a gas-powered balloon.
Lokesh and Frank said it very well, I’d just add that this whole story of the Buddha using Osho’s body was so preposterously over the top, that it provided a good insight into the tendency for intelligent seekers to suspend all critical thought when devoted to a guru.
Of course, it’s a given that ‘critical thought’ can interfere with having a ‘direct experience’, an opening or glimpse of a higher order of things. Mystics have written about such things for centuries. But this story of the ‘Buddha’s soul’ (whatever that could be — as an awakened one he was supposed to be, by Osho’s own terms, ‘dissolved into existence’) wandering around looking for a body, ranks up there with Osho’s dramatic story of his past life in Tibet 700 years ago, and his account of Jesus dying in Kashmir at the age of 108, and of hidden Tibetan masters controlling the Nazis, as the most absurd of his tales.
In fact, this stuff is so absurd that one almost wishes that it was a type of ‘malamat’, the Sufi term which refers to a type of behavior engaged in by a mystic that is designed to intentionally alienate disciples. The idea behind it is that if the guru appears at times to be ridiculous, or unlawful, or even possibly insane, then it stops the disciple from getting too attached to the guru. It is a type of intentional alienation. Gurdjieff was said to engage in this type of behavior at times, especially with Olga de Hartmann and Fritz Peters, both of whom showed clear signs of being overly attached to him. But Osho enacted this stuff on a large scale. Of course it’s speculation how much of it in his case was ‘malamat’. The Rolls may well have been a type of malamat, however — or at least, Osho’s own version of it. Good explanation of ‘malamat’ here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malamatiyya
Because I find it far more absurd that someone on day 3 of the sky continues as the age of 108 years, dying in Kashmir. Jesus was blackmailed by those in power. Forced to disappear otherwise his family, Maria Magdalena and one child would be murdered. It is believed that his child went to France.
For me absolutely within the scope of possibility that there were Tibetan masters making common cause with the Masons. Thus, an influence on the Nazis about this detour is possible. Even today, the dominant forces have highly interest in occult artifacts for keeping and getting more power, which they suspect much in Tibet.
Everything what is currently happening on our planet and how it is brought into the world … is exactly the same handwriting, the same hermetic order.
slipping a bit of malamat malware in with the disciple software…
sneaky…..
so the guru is a programmer and then a hacker…
that PC is bound to crash!
no wonder disciples are such a load of whacked-out confusionados who dont know whether they`re coming or going…
at the end of the day,isnt this mallamat mallarkey another version the old “conscious drinking” “crazy wisdom” type of thing….
it actually turns out to be the most sophisticated denial script and rationalisation for substance abuse and bad behaviour ever dreamed up….
Frank, the issue of whether genuine ‘malamat’ is possible may be related to the question of whether or not everything is simply more degraded in present times (which is what Rene Guenon, for one, argued). That is, if genuine ‘malamat’ is non-existent, that may be because everything, including modern gurus, has degraded. I’m not clear on that matter. One thing I am fairly sure about, however, is that young Baby Boomers (Osho’s early disciples) were probably more gullible overall than the current younger generation, which seems more cynical and savvy in some ways (and perhaps less interesting in other ways).
rene guenon wasnt exactly a barrel of laughs was he? banging on about the good old days and moaning about how degraded everything had become….
i can just see him,reading his “daily mail”and shaking his head:
“this kali yuga s getting worse every day,not like back in my day when gurus were gurus,you knew where you were then..if a guru whipped his cock out,or got pissed out of his head and thumped some stupid woman or homo,you knew that it was a genuine bit of malamat,whereas these days,they just do it for degraded kicks..
its disgraceful..
what is the world coming to…..?”
Teertha wrote : “young Baby Boomers (Osho’s early disciples) were probably more gullible overall than the current younger generation,”
Though I am a baby boomer I have to agree. I often wonder what happened to my contemporaries’ brains; even the ones with higher education seemed as gullible as the rest of them
.
You know we all learn from experience and observation.
The Baby boomers have been ours parents,school teachers,the cops who put us in jails cause they caught us smoking a joint…….the ones who have been to woodstock for sex drugs and rock and roll and later had vote for Ronald Reagan and the Bush family…..to grow up cynical and savvy is simply a natural survival skill.
Does the ocean have a judgement about the waves? If all these stories are just waves………Osho oceanic waves, ridiculous waves, clever waves, stupid waves, arrogant waves, cynical waves, what a dance! I think Osho didn’t care what he did or said, cause he knew he was the ocean. But from the standpoint of the wave everything he said or did, specially if it was outrageous, is wrong, or should be discussed, explained or altered. In my vieuw this was what he was pointing at:: can you see the Ocean in the wave, i.o.w can you see who I or You really are, or do you get stuck in storytelling waves?
Greetings from the “i think i know how it works” wave!
Suggested reading….1984. And don’t forget, Big Brother loves you.
Great post, Teertha…educational to boot.
But this story of the ‘Buddha’s soul’…ranks up there with Osho’s dramatic story of his past life in Tibet 700 years ago, and his account of Jesus dying in Kashmir at the age of 108, and of hidden Tibetan Masters controlling the Nazis, as the most absurd of his tales.
I’ve found all these stories in esoteric books from other authors as well, so it’s possible it’s something he’d read in his large library.
sure,what people took as examples of occult knowledge plucked out of the akashik records, was from books osho had read.
an interesting example i stumbled on the other day.
i was reading about an indian tarot reader whom osho encouraged in her trade in `75.
she was quoting what bhagwan had said to her at the time ..that the tarot had been brought from egypt by the gypsies.
now,it happens that since 1975,interest in the tarot,its history and origins has grown exponentially,and it is now understood that the gypsy story was not the case at all,and that this story was invented by 18th centurty occultists…..
it was however,a widely believed story and prevailing narrative amongst tarot writers of the 60s and 70s.
the point is…. bhagwan read those books.
now,over 35 years later,the sannyasin tarot reader was still presenting this as truth when it is in fact not the case at all,rather it is discredited fabrication…
so do you take osho`s words on trust because he is the master,as she continues to do, or do you use your “mind” and “intellect” and accept the knowledge that has subsequently been brought to light?
isnt the attitude of trusting in bhagwans words from 1975 just the same mentality as that of the “old men from the rotten old religions” who simply believe in the bible or the koran because it is written..and react badly to any challenge to this perceived ultimate authority?
to feel guilty about using the mind because you think that should really be in no-mind strikes me as a pathetic and nihilistic world to inhabit……
Don’t think he read about his last life in Tibet anywhere though?
in one of lobsang rampas books he does meet one of the gilded mummies of the great lamas that are said to be preserved in corridors underneath the potala palace.
osho claimed to be one of these.
but really, what are these stories all about?
there is no way of knowing whether they are flights of harry potter-esque fantasy or whether they are deep truths only available to very special souls.
to deny the credibility of the stories makes one an intellectual rationalist stuck in the mind…
and to accept them somehow brings trust and faith in the higher into play….
so they are stories to blow you out of your linited mind….
you are taken by the hand and shown things way way beyond your littlelimited dream of a rational mind.
your very idea of what can be real is ripped open,with the aim that this ripping will create a space for enlightenment and transcendence of the mind altogether….
entirely fictitious stories can and have been used for this purpose of blowing the disciples mind.
a “charlatan” can perform a valuable function just as well as a “real” master here because they are both naking it up!!
yet,once you know the game,the scheme behind these wacko stories to blow your mind,it is clear that its all about the limitations of your own vision and imagination……
the charlatan/master`stories become redundant…
then its time to make your own…
or not…
we`re back to ol` MC buddha…
“get a life unto your self”
even the dalai lama these days fails to sound convinced about all the incarnation stuff,and he`s the number one case of it..
there was an interesting case the other day,where some psychiatrists were trying to deal with a guy with what they termed “possession syndrome”.
they couldnt get anywhere with the patient,so
they called the priest.
all the xian churches still have an exorcism department.
the bishop and his team,anglican,in this case,performed an exorcism…
then the patient rcovered.
odd thing was that the psychiatrists were convinced it was an actual possession.
the psychiatrists needed something from outside their theoretical,logical mind to deal with what they had experienced….they were like disciples who need their minds blown by eso-wacko stuff….
whereas the bishop in charge admitted he doesnt really believe in that stuff at all…
they just do it because they`ve found that it works…..
so in my view this osho/buddha story could well have been an exorcism…..
he was performing an exorcism on his disciples.
he was casting out spirit of buddha and his past-his-sell-by-date so-called sainthood and all the ghoulish religious rubbish lurking in our unconscious…..
as ashik pointed out,osho got a big laugh when he did the buddha/jacuzzi bit, which tells me the exorcism must have had some success.
it is well known in esoteric circles that the spirits of serious,self-important religionists dont like being laughed at…!
it drives them away…
exorcises them.
much like making the sign of the cross was always said to vanquish the devil…
but this is the new way…
for a new age…..
Frank wrote “but really, what are these stories all about?
there is no way of knowing whether they are flights of harry potter-esque fantasy or whether they are deep truths only available to very special souls.
to deny the credibility of the stories makes one an intellectual rationalist stuck in the mind…
and to accept them somehow brings trust and faith in the higher into play….”
I agree with Frank. I think it is impossible to prove either way whether reincarnation “happens” or not.
Thing about reincarnation is who or what supposedly reincarnates? Not our persona/personality, mind/memory, surely?
I mean, Gawd help us if they do…
And who’s speculating on this anyway? Bet it’s nothing to do with the one who has reincarnated….
the thing that reincarnates is a quick change artist formerly known as god.
you and me are just his clothes and props.
thats eastern mysticism in a nutshell,anyway.
He probably made that up to make us feel important. Back when he came away with that everyone more or less believed they were a Tibetan in some other lifetime. These days being a Tibetan in your last life is not so in anymore. Osho often played the tune to suit the caller when it came to his fans. There’s no business like show buisness…
right arm at shoulder got fractured during weekend. lost half tooth also on a downward mountain ride accident. feels ok to be alive, when just a second it takes for death to take control of anyone^s life.
if someone has lived those osho days of 1988, it will look like the peak of mystery school.
the way a gay cannot develop sexual chemistry with gorgegous gloria, analytical mind has the same problem with that which is not easy do define.
what`s that smell?
Funky Cold Medina. Hi my name is Sheena. Turns out Sheena was a man!
Hi Shantam, great to hear you escaped from your box and genuinely sorry to hear about your accident. My wife, Prita, liked your comment.
So true how life can change in a second. Three weeks ago a friend, much loved by many on Ibiza, came off his bike and bumped his head. Major concussion, three weeks in a coma on the critical list. Big lesson for everyone. In these strange times a bit of awareness can save your life. Trust you make a speedy recovery.
Re the matter of Osho’s claimed past-life in Tibet 700 years ago, the problem with past-life recall is this: the relationship between memory and identity is tenuous at best. For example, it’s common to ‘remember’ something from your past (say, childhood) that in fact happened to someone else, not you. Or, try recalling some old photo of yourself from long ago, one that you have not looked at in many years. Then go and look at it. Odds are, it will not be exactly as you visualized it. It might even be strikingly different.
These are only example of present-life matters. Extend this to a past-life, assuming these exist. The problems of linking memory to identity (let alone, accurate memory) magnify hugely in complexity.
If I recall being Napoleon, how can I prove that I’m not merely tapping into some universal memory bank, the way my computer currently can tap into the universal ‘field’ known as the Web? The point is I can’t prove or disprove it. Even if I am to provide details of Napoleon’s life that no one could know but him, there’s still no way to disprove that I haven’t tapped into some universal memory bank (which would be no less fantastic than the existence of past lives themselves). Hence the problems linking memory with personal identity.
During my years in Osho communal houses in the early 80s and at the ranch, I met at least three women who recalled being Mary Magdalene. How can anyone prove that any of them was wrong? It’s a bit like the true story of three madmen, each convinced he was Jesus Christ, being placed into a padded room together. After an hour they emerged — one was still Jesus, and the other two were now his disciples. Strength of identity (charisma) overcame the ‘memories’ of the other two.
I’m not speaking against the possibility of reincarnation. Who knows for sure? But the point should be made in the interests of intellectual honesty that past-life claims, especially those of a grandiose nature, should be regarded as suspect, if only because there is no honest way to prove the link between memory and personal identity.
If you want to know who you were in a past life look deeply at who you are now. I was Mary Magdelene last time around….which reminds me, I forgot to do my Hail Marys this morning…God forgive me, for I have sinned.
PT
an idea occured to me with respect to so-called past-life memories.
they may well be “future life” memories..
i found that for many people they may actually a glimpse of something,in dream-symbolic form that actually happens later in the same life.
an example i can use which is close to the thread,is the well-known, in sannyas ciircles, pastlife memory that ma satya bharti had in bombay whilst doing dynamic.
she had the memory of murdering bhagwan in his previous life.stabbing him.in the back,i think.
bhagwan confirmed it.
some years later she wrote the definitive “negative”critical book about osho and the movement.
in her 1972 mind,she would have seen her future project as akin to murder,i would say.
so a “pastlife” memory may be more akin to a jungian “big dream” which influences or even “predicts” the course of your life.
Interesting, Frank, and probably true in some sense, given the curious nature of time, being (as Kant pointed out) little more then a mental construct. Ouspensky for one was convinced that ‘eternal recurrence’ (the Groundhog day syndrome — we just keep repeating this one life until we ‘get it’) was closer to the truth than conventional reincarnation. Gurdjieff, surprisingly, did not deny this when Ouspensky put it to him, saying that ‘eternal recurrence’ was close to the truth.
As for the Satya Bharti thing, I see that now as more an expression of ‘specialness’ than anything else. Some disciples had a deep need to believe that they were special, and that belief could easily become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
that was a good one…eternal recurrence.
that was freddie nietzsche`s idea,wasnt it?
his idea was…
could you look back on your life and say…” i could go through all that again,and i wouldnt change a thing”….?
that would be “loving your fate”, a kind of ultimate attitude….
until you could do that,you would have to live the same life over and over again ad infinitum….
it was a curious and probably brilliant take on “enlightenment”….
gurdjieff and osho obviously vibed with it..
it went with their “no regrets” style…..
Bet you anything Mistlberger is reading that and thinking, is that bastard serious, or is he taking the piss as usual!!!!!
you are so cynical.
dont forget,judgement is of the mind, swami…
I am not worthy to be noticed by you.
“Promise of paradise” is not a definitive “negative” critical book,it is the most brilliant,intelligent description i’d ever read about the whole sannyas movement.
Just because she take out some deep shit doesn’t mean she is negative,just objective.
Her book,togheter with the one’s from Tim Guest,has help me to understand a lot of things and to put it in the right prespective.Same for this site.
I found that book pretty uninspiring. Just goes to show; different chapters for different rap stars.
Satya Bharti’s two books about Pune 1 are very good.
They are “Death Comes Dancing” and “The Ultimate Risk” which is the same as “Drunk on the Divine.”
The only past life experience I’ve had since Osho met me, was a dream in which Swami Bhavitt had been my hangman in a previous life. The eighteenth century going on the way we were dressed.
In another talk he says something like reincarnation does not exist,and when you die all your memories,feelings and thoughts simply leave your body and go around in the air,and other living beings like trees absorb it. So when you pass there,if you are sensible,you can perceive it……and then you can think it’s you in another past life. And interesting to notice that people have always been a great warrior ,a politician,or other very important kind of people……where is the reincarnation of the toilet cleaner?
Long ago I went to three psychics to ask about my last life. The first said I was a Chinese schoolteacher. The second said I was an Italian psychiatrist. And the third said I was a Tibetan monk. So I went to a fourth psychic to ask about these discrepancies and he said we can inhabit more than one body at the same time — ‘parallel incarnations’. ‘I have nine other bodies on Earth at this time’ he confidently told me about himself. There is an answer for everything, it seems.
It’s a bit like a guy I once lent $500 to. He fled town before I could get repaid. Years later I heard that he’d proclaimed that he was now enlightened. Asked about his unpaid debts (I was not the only one he owed) he declared that now that he was enlightened, he was no longer required to repay these debts because he was not the same person who borrowed the money in the first place.
The human mind is endlessly inventive, fashioning universes out of nothing.
I had a past life in a place called Poona, in which, believe it or not, I was a toilet cleaner.I was told that I was close to enlightenment but somehow it all went down the drain. Boo hoo! World without end. There must be some way outtta here said the…. Please fill in the blanks and win a cash prize.
I don’t fill the blanks.But at the end it was probably a nice life….unpleasant job,but you just need few money to live,incredible energy going on in the place,young womans on every corner who are ready to share more than a talk,and Goa beach near by,when you need an holiday…now,the place you are talking about had a complete building renewal,the entry cost hundreds of times more than before,and those beautiful girls are getting quite old now….better move to Ibiza.You have done the right move.
Yes, YS, I believe I have, but sometimes it looks like Ibiza is not too sympathetic towards the old…keeps you young is how it looks on the other hand.
Well,you just have to say:”Hey guys! You know, I was there in Poona during the 70′s!” when you meet those young spiritual rainbow freaks who have read some book from Osho….you will have an “Ooohhhhooo!!!!!”,and then sit down and start to tell your story about the old magic times…..like a good hippie grandfather should do with his hippie grandchildren.
Just be aware that when you arrive to the point of Rolls Royce and all the rest,they will start to turn up the nose….but,well, this shouldn’t be a problem for you.
you are right YTS,
osho somehow sabotaged the chosen fews` future possibilities for boasting about their past with all that stuff…..
i thought i could cash in on my credentials as a seasoned meditator and disciple of the master of masters with newagers and nouveau neo-sannyasins by regaling them in grandfatherly style,with stories of my ecstatic experiences, ego-cruching catharses,barely legal,amoral and mindbogglingly self-centred exploits in search of no-self….
but i went down like a bacon sandwich at a barmitzvah…
or a bullfighter in benares…
still,it pretty much wiped out my ego..
job done..
thanks osh…..
Universe does not owe to two legs creatures to know all the trade secrets. Past lives exist or not, will always remain a mystery.
Past lives forwards and backwards… we can only be what we already are, and we can only become what already is. That’s the clue at all, nothing more possible.
Have you seen the couple yesterday, Dalai und Charles, “nice” people? Who wants to tell me that no intrigue between the West and Tibet is possible? To me, it proves that an intrigue is absolutely possible, and even more abject than we think.
It seems even spirituality is a lie, only truth what rises out of Self realization is pure enough, the rest is for the shredder.
dalai lama is a twat.
he talks more and more bollocks every day.
he loves gw bush.
charlie is his best mate.
he says that the iraq war was justified,but being gay is wrong.
hes against oral sex and masturbation.
and he loves the full english breakfast.
i think i may have mentioned it before….
word is out in tibetan buddhist circles that he has turned down the offer to be reincarnated as the next delai lama in favour of being re-incarnated as a tubby bloke with a shaved head called del, who doesnt like poofs and wankers,and who lives in peckham,where theres a lovely little caff on the corner where they do full english with all the trimmings £2.75…
….nirvana…..
This is how real Demons of the present time look like, such as this British / Tibetan couple.
Would you care to provide evidence, Preetam?
Yes Satyadeva, too extreme calling them demon. But of course British Petrol is extreme, too. Of what businesses the wealth of royalties is, dubious and extreme.
If somebody is taking position as religious man, for people in power whose power based on violence and most of their wealth and leadership are a result of violence and robbery makes a religious man problematic for my understanding of truth.
I know most think violence as a result of our collective and of politician mind. But behind are the same people and structure I speak of and DL seems being a part of the scheme.
Hasn’t such ‘vested interests’ always been the case though, Preetam? I wonder why you apparently spend so much time and energy on researching and condemning the way things are in this world…You often sound more like a ‘socialist revolutionary’ than a ‘seeker after Truth’!
Also, as far as politicians are concerned, the Dalai Lama is a poor example of your standpoint, there are surely many far worse cases than him. He’s done his best, it seems, in a tortuously difficult , probably impossible situation, with outstanding grace and humility.
I’d say that whatever his shortcomings, personal or political, he deserves a lot more than the righteous indignation of the likes of you, sir.
lets have a quick test to see what kind of buddhist you really are..
…and be honest…
1.would you rather:
(a)receive oral sex from someone you love,or
(b) bomb iraqi civilians ?
2 (a)remain “celibate” for the rest of your life
(b)have a wank ?
i`ll wager a penny to a pound there`s not one single commited buddhist on sannyasnews…….
Question 1 a red herring, frank, as DL’s views on Iraq war were more complex than you make out – according to my ‘research’ anyway.
Still, what does it matter when there’s a cheap laugh at stake?
SD says
“what does it matter when there is a cheap laugh at stake?”
exactly.
….a man after my own heart,you are….
but what about question 2?
With an enormous amount of, er, ‘guilt’, I have to be shamefully honest and choose (b).
(But don’t tell anyone, will you?).
you sound far too honest to be a buddhist!
and watch out for those osho types too..
its all
“lie your way to god”
and
“don`t worry,be dodgy” with those guys!!
Earlier one wrote that a possible intrigue between Tibetan masters and the Nazis is a story of Osho. This meeting of those two, I took as an opportunity to point out that intrigues fill our history and those confusing intrigues forcing people into chaos. Making Osho a storyteller shows what he has to overcome.
For me, being a seeker does not mean to ignore environment. Without the environment no seeking and no life is possible.
Without recognizing machinations the integrity is missed but it’s needed for freedom from the outer and for creating space for a happening. Guess, people afraid of their unresolved negativity, cause of it again being a cue ball.
Not without meaning they study at traditional monastery old writings. Truth can be found, if one isn’t cue ball of the ruling forces. Otherwise all keeps just speculation; even the inner realizations are not trustable, as I see it.
Dangerous ground Frankie.
You can get away with insulting Osho, but a word in the right place and those peaceful Buddhists will eviscerate you.
Chogyam Trungpa was more savvy than DL. He said he was going to reincarnate in Japan as a businessman. Buddhist master Ole Nydhal was more provincial, however. Asked where he wanted to reincarnate, he said ‘Denmark’. Nydhal is Danish.
when we are imagining past lives, it is no harm to presume what link Osho had with the Crown Prince Jayesh?
maybe prior to his monk life 700 years ago,he left his son and to fullfil this unfinshed karma, in this life left a meditation firm, though it is another fact, once bluechip shares of that firm are trading at all time low!
and where stand this Shantam?
who knows, i was also there as a son, born out of one shot affair!
shantam,
imagine a time when osho international goes public and it is listed on nasdaq
not too far away i guess
The Osho International shares will make Facebook’s a better bet. By the way, Nasdaq is probably not the exchange where such shares will be traded because to qualify for listing on the exchange, a company must be registered with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), have at least three market makers (financial firms that act as brokers or dealers for specific securities) and meet minimum requirements for assets, capital, public shares, and shareholders. I think at least two of the last four requirements will not be up to par.
Osho international can surely goes to Nasdaq, but only after when Starbucks have opened their 100th coffee shop on the moon!
That sounds accurate.
DL said in Sunday Times [UK] interview last week that he quite fancies being reincarnated into that ex Harvard chap who he’s made his Prime Minister. That’ll save alot of schlepping about hunting out babies who recognize bits of DL leftover kit after he passes to his reward.
Being new to this Osho online chat can someone please explain the dynamic between those around who knew Osho and those who came along after he’d gone? Please say if I am too far off topic. Best regards. Ananto
Frank,
That Mark Twain quote is brilliant.
dalai lama is turning into a freak show.
still,he has managed to reincarnate himself as the delboy lama for uk consumption.
yeah,he`s a diamond geezer,likes a bit of a laugh over his full english…
did you see him on stage with russell brand,with brand boasting to del about his being voted “shagger of the year” three times in a row?
cringe comedy,for sure.
when`s he gonna change his mantra from “om mani padme hum” to “luverly jubberly”…
what a plonker….
This time next year Rodders we’ll all be………