Osho and Health
Personally I have always been confused, and was when I first met Osho, as to some of his own reflections on “Health”.
According to Osho himself his own health was never the same after his enlightenment experience which was in 1953. His period of residence, 1970 to 74 in Bombay was said to be particularly difficult and his asthma, diabetes, and allergies, got worse due to the humidity of that place. There are pictures of Osho in wrestling mode where he looks pretty healthy, but no one I know is sure what year they were taken, but one imagines in Jalwalpur sometime when he was a student there.
When I met him first in December, 1974 in Pune, he was certainly not well. He appeared in a weak condition physically, and walked by resting his arm on Vivek coming into and out of darshan.
Before leaving India in 1981 he was in real bad health and unable to get up, and his talks were discontinued.
One of the reasons that some PR people around Osho gave out for the selection of a “desert” for his next residence in Oregon was that desert air was very helpful to those with asthma. I happen to know that this is true as my own father suffered badly from asthma, but always said it improved greatly in the Sahara, when he was with the British army when they were pursuing Rommel in 1942. Anyway for whatever reason Osho’s health did seem to improve during the Ranch period.
Osho spoke many times generally about health, but very little about his own. Amrito his personal Doctor made a point of collecting many things that Osho said about health in a compilation first published in the UK by C W Daniel Company in 1996. it was called “From Medication to Meditation”. It has been republished five times, so presumably there is considerable demand for such tomes, though many disciples of Osho, like myself, feel he left instructions that “compilations” were not to be countenanced.
Health seems to me to be a very big mystery. Allopathic and naturopathic “cures” often fail in equal measure. Osho himself seemed like many Indians to have greater faith in allopathic medicine than many westerners. … Though he seemed to be genuinely unimpressed by surgery and said the ancient Hindus knew all about it 5,000 years ago, but gave it up as one of the most unsuccessful forms of medicine.
To look on the body as a wonderful space suit seems to be a good idea, it leads to a feeling of being which helps one to dissociate from it. The body continues its work, “YOU” are not digesting, “You” are not getting cancer, but the wonderful gift the existence has made of a body is.
The universe is hostile to life as we know it, and the human condition has always been one of pain and difficulties with that vehicle called the body, the art has to be to simply ‘watch’ it, and also care for it without being obsessed.
Any views?
Parmartha
Osho was a great paradox in these matters — promoting a pro-material view (Zorba the Buddha, honoring the body, enjoying cars, respecting technology, etc.), while himself being frail. One important point to remember is that Osho himself was evolving. His views were not static. In the 1970s he used to speak of the adverse effects of kundalini, how many sages became ill or did not live long, but in his latter years he dropped this topic, perhaps coinciding with his own illness.
More wisdom traditions recognize a disconnect between the transcendent, and Nature. The material universe is unquestionably a cold, largely empty, and violent place. Stars explode, black holes consume matter, organisms live by killing and eating other organisms. The universe basically eats itself. Osho’s idea of ‘this very world the lotus paradise’ was commendable but perhaps bound to fail, if the entropic conditions of physical reality is such that it can never be a paradise, but at best a boot camp, a training ground for waking up. And that is probably good — were this reality some sort of paradise, we’d doubtless remain little more than spoiled babies, never having to be accountable for anything. The very adverse conditions of material reality is what forces us to grow.
If the body damaged or still intact, let’s ride it home, while alive.
Preetam,
Nice comment.
Teertha,
Thoughtful response. Reminds me of Mary Shelley’s ‘monster’ out in this heartless universe looking for the good. However Goethe (now here we have a true genius who knew a thing or two about alchemy – we’ve all heard of Faust) would disagree with ‘the very adverse conditions of material reality is what forces us to grow’. Goethe never wanted for anything or suffered from adverse conditions. He lived a wonderful life into his 80s writing in every field of human knowledge, meeting lesser geniuses and having creative realtionships with brilliant women. There was no adversity for Wolfgang.
On meeting Beethoven, Goethe recognized his genius but thought he was an untamed one. On meeting Rousseau he astutely pointed out that the man felt too much. I guess the adverse conditions Beethoven and Rousseau endured may have contributed to their creativity but I’m no advocate of affliction helping us to develop. Marx was good on this. After reading Goethe’s ‘Sorrows of Young Werther’ suffering afflicted youths suicided. Their adverse conditions along with melancholia no doubt played a part.
I believe Osho had genius and he tried to show us how delightful our lives can be. Bernard Shaw, a Fabian Socialist, once said that if the poor have better ethical standards than the elite then it is best to keep them poor. Shaw was joking of course. He found it much easier once he got out of Irish working class poverty to produce great art and lived happily to ninety-six.
Not everyone has to be a Heathcliff out on the moors to not remain an infantile and grow to some maturity. In fact poor Heathcliff’s social and economic cicumstances hindered his growth as Marx so astutely understood.
As Nietzsche so astutely pointed out ‘get rid of the real world and the apparent world’ and we are left with no ideal world but just this world. A world which he and Osho tried to beautify which was not based on envy and resentment. What I enjoyed about being around Osho was his sense of aesthetics. Perhaps this is why so many women found him interesting which Subhuti expressed in his book. I don’t see the world as a cold place when I sit in our garden. I feel blessed and privileged.
Finally, Nietzsche, who certainly suffered from physical ailments and financial destitution, certainly didn’t feel that these were factors in producing great literature. He often referred to Pindar’s ‘Love of Fate’, knowing full well, like the pre-Socratic Greeks, that life was tragic, but let’s enjoy ourselves whilst we are here. Having mentioned Marx earlier I would probably call myself a leftist Nietzschean citizen.
Roman, my girlfriend cooked a nice roast for Easter and the world wasn’t cold for me then either. I wasn’t referring to a personal experience. I was trying to address the objective level. Objectively, Nature is essentially merciless. Earthquakes can swallow hundreds of thousands of people in one great moment of ‘geological flatulence.’ The Moon looks lovely in the night sky, but is really just a frozen piece of dead rock. The Sun warms us, but you wouldn’t want to vacation on its surface, and in 4 billion years it will expand to a Red Giant and incinerate our planet. Our bodies age and die. Etc.
As for whether ‘adverse conditions’ help us to grow, I believe so. I’m aware that many doubtless would not like, or disagree with that view. It’s an age-old philosophical issue. In a sense Osho confirmed the idea that adverse conditions help us to grow, by the position he adopted on the collapse of Rajneeshpuram, when he asserted that we learn from the Ranch-drama and develop qualities such as responsibility. It seems clear to me that the very nature of what happened allowed for conditions to arise in which such qualities could brew and develop. Did Pune II benefit from the experience of the Ranch? I think so.
A child learns to walk partly with the aid of the unpleasant experience of falling down. Compassion arises in the face of suffering, especially personal suffering. Warmth is appreciated via the contrast of knowing cold. Love by knowing fear/hate, and so on. Perhaps this rough old universe is exactly what the doctor ordered for us. Perhaps Osho’s body, and his bodily conditions, including his final illness, were exactly what he needed as part of his own lessons — just as everyone else’s challenges in life are.
Alchemy (Hermeticism, basically) and Gnosticism adopt somewhat different views on this — the former asserts that the conditions of this universe are perfect for our growth, if we but find the right ‘combinations’ of ‘materials’, and the latter that the universe is mostly a type of curse that we just have to escape from. There are elements of Gnosticism I like but in this matter I incline toward the basic views of Hermeticism/alchemy. One basic idea of alchemy is ‘calcination’, or what is sometimes called the stage of ‘nigredo’, a blackening or breaking down of personality components (which can include the body) that are in the way of deeper, fuller living/awakening. This calcination process is necessarily rough (for most people), because, as the Buddha pointed out, we get attached to things (mostly our limitations). But perhaps the very calcination process is what ‘cooks’ us so that we emerge in some fuller, more refined way. Alchemy maintains that, at any rate.
Teertha,
We are having tofu burgers. What a delightful response.
Reminds me of all the stuff I read eons ago and it brings back memories to my partner and I. She used to have a huge library on the hermetic mysteries but she sold it all back to the theosophical bookshop to clear up some debts. Sometimes she wishes she hadn’t.
Thanks again for your thoughtful words. I’ll be back. Much warmth.
Parmartha,
I found your piece about your father moving. Would love to know what happened when he returned after the war with regards to his asthma. My father lost his family and spent five years in a nazi prison camp. I have a Jungian friend, who is a well known writer, whose family moved out to the Australian desert when he was a kid because there was severe asthma in the family. The move worked wonders and he also became a very
knowledgeable scholar on Indigenous culture. When Osho was in Oregon I was under the impression he remained in his air-conditioned chamber for most of the time so would the climate have made any difference? As for allopathic medicine I’d like to add that without it I wouldn’t be alive today.
In fact the gods have smiled kindly on me because it is because of recent scientific advancements in Western medicine that I’m still posting right now.
I’ve watched the interview on the Aurobindo book which Shantam posted. Whilst the interview wasn’t rivetting I’d still like to thank you, Shantam, for the posting. I did some research on the author Peter Hees and read some reviews. I’ve always found Aurobindo to be a fascinating person and Hees has really set the cat amongst the pigeons raising claims about Aurobindo’s mental stability, Hindu nationalism and blah blah blah. It is sixty-two years after Aurobindo’s death that we get a book which causes such controversy. I may even be prompted to purchase Hees’ biography.
Interesting that the Indian psychoanalyst Sudhir Kakar has raised questions about Osho’s mental stability in his book, ‘Mad and Divine’. Kakar writes how ‘spiritual transformation thoroughly shakes up the body-mind entity yet does not completely rearrange the psychic furniture’. Kakar doesn’t dismiss Osho’s spiritual transformations but he tries to problematise them by linking them to neuronal networks. ‘Our psyche that has been developing since birth and is physiologically embedded deep in the neuronal networks of the brain cannot be wiped out by even the most powerful mystical experience’.(p34). How does he know I wonder?
Kakar points out that ‘Today, as we are gain more intimate knowledge of lives of saints and spiritual masters than was provided by hagiographies, we can say that the spirit when it soars often pulls up the psyche in its wake. But we also know that the spirit never completely escapes the gravitational pull exerted by the forces of narcissism, aggression and desire in the psyche. What may be essential for our gaze, however, is to attend to the vision of the spirit’s soaring, not the oft-repeated tragedy of its fall’. ( From Chapter Two called: ‘Childhood of a Spiritually Incorrect Guru: Osho.) Again, must this be the case? Kakar’s book has only thirty five pages on Osho if you are thinking of buying it. I find the research on brain science and mysticism interesting. Spiritual experiences can certainly shake up the body. Many felt this in Osho’s presence. How does our small shaking up experience relate to the magnitude of what he went through in 1953?
thats interesting.
the next time someone enlightened comes along they`re going to have to scan his/her brain and monitor their bodies etc.
ug krishnamurti claimed his body changed shape and became hermafroditic as a result of his “calamity”.that would not have been hard to verify
osho said the enlightened man doesnt dream,for example.
this should not be too hard to establish in a lab.
and if it is true,it certainly would imply a huge re-configuration of the functioning of the body.
one day it may be possible to find out what amazing things do actually occur and what parts of it are harry potter superman hero stories from auto biog of a yogi stuff.
personally,i think most of those siddhis are actually “lucid dreams”,and in a mileu where those experiences were valued, the idea of them being “less real” than planetside activity,which was already maya a dream, simply didnt bother those yogis,lamas etc…
kakar says:”what is essential for our gaze,however is the vision of the spirits` soaring ,not the oft repeated tragedy of its fall”
this is clearly the classical indian view.the hagiographical view.
i guess an opposite view could be sickboys` philosophy ,from “trainspotting”
“you`ve got it ,and then you lose it”
maybe that is so hard to take that some superman stories are neccesary?
dare i say it,
some enlightentertainment?
Frank,
I like the way you bring things back to earth.
‘You’re moving away from the real world.’
‘What real world? There is no real world, is there?’
She said patiently, ‘Yes, the world of ordinary people and the shit they have to deal with – unemployment, bad housing, boredom. Soon you won’t understand anything about essential stuff.’
The Buddha of Suburbia – Hanif Kureishi
Roman,
My father was a life long sufferer of asthma, but was a counter-example of those who associate the condition with stress. As he explained to me El Alamein was a fierce and decisive battle for UK troops of the 8th army, but his health was great through the battle and the subsequent advance through the North African desert. After the war back in Bristol, England, his asthma returned in force and was sometimes painful to behold. I was sorry to read of your own father’s incarceration, did he somehow “recover” from that hell.
Osho clearly benefited from the desert air according to those who looked after him at the time, (even if it was recycled through the air conditioning!). and it is noticeable that his health declined after he returned to Pune two. It is worth remembering his health was never very good in Pune one, so returning their from the health angle was not such a good idea. And let’s face it he did everything to avoid so doing. 17 countries should have that on their conscience.
On Osho, yes as I remember he was often keen to suggest allopathic remedies to individual disciples who asked, rather than alternative ones or native Indian ones. However he did talk about things like Acupuncture favorably, but I am almost sure I am right in saying he never had any sessions!
I must admit as I have said elsewhere I am unconvinced that Osho’s health nosedived dramatically after the world tour. I would say that the pollution and humidity of Pune, which had laid him low in 1981, would have been much of a factor.
I have experienced pretty good health for all my 66 years, and had no hospitalisations. But I do remember not feeling in A! condition during my spells in Pune one (like many of my fellow disciples from the West!), or in 2000 when I returned there, and my general health was probably at its lowest ebb in 1978/9 when in Pune! I now put that down to the water and the air…. but remember group leaders at the time saying it was “resistance” manifesting in a physical form! Most likely a load of old baloney.
SN is very grateful for your blogging here, and glad to hear that allopathy certainly did not let you down.
Parmartha,
Thanks for reminding me of all those countries. Interesting how Subhuti acknowledges his debt to Max Brecher and points out that ‘A Passage to America’ is a valuable historical document. There were obviously not just imagined conspirators who sought to undermine Osho. A six hour plan flight becomes twelve days of incarceration. Subhuti points out that Oregonians were angry that Osho flew out with a fine. Turner, according to Subhuti, says we had nothing more to go on.
re.”resistance” and health…
when i arrived in pune 1,i had a bout of the shits.
some of the sannyasins i met tried to convince me that it was as a result of coming into contact with “bhagwan`s energy.”(not the dubious looking fried daal from the night before )
it still brings a smile to my face,that one.
the allopathic versus oldstyle medicine argument is maybe a bit passe.
i would say that probably the majority of sn contributors are still here as a result of allopathic medicine(whether that is a “good”thing may of course be the subject of a separate debate!)
the real question is how to use allopathic medicine carefully and with consideration of the adverse effects.
penicillin/antibiotics really work,but if they are used like sweeties,as is normally the case ,you end up with resistance so they dont work,and superbugs can cause untreatable sicknesses and even epidemics.
so eventually they may concieveably cause more problems than they solve,due to misuse.
another relevant example… maybe that if osho indeed did take the valium he was alleged to have done,for his back…
considering the short term pain relief as a success and ignoring the inevitable deleterious effects would have been such a mistake ,also.
a mistake,in the case of valium and the benzodiazapine drugs,let me add,that has brought unnecessary misery and suffering to literally millions of people and still does.largely caused by a combination of gung-ho attitudes to modern medicine and either foolish or greedy pharm companies and doctors.
bt..how bad was osho`s asthma?
he didnt seem to cough and wheeze much(in public anyway)
Many people were given the old baloney re resistence and illness by group leaders, and even sannyasin Doctors. . Now we know that the water, air and food in the seventies were all suspect especially outside the ashram, but some say within it too! Some years the mosquito count from the river was very bad, even in the terms in which the Poona Local Government authority measured these things, and that could not have helped us westerners either.
Whether Osho took valium, and if so how much, are things that some commentators regard as open to question.
However as a thought experiment if he did do so, then you intimate there are side effects, Frank. I know it is addictive as many UK mums with depression have found out, but what do you feel are it’s major side-effects?
Frank, I guess that Osho was on medication for his asthma, and for his type 2 diabetes. Anyone reading this know for sure?
Parmartha,
It was a long long time ago when I read it but I think Amrito covered some of the issues of Osho’s health, including diabetes, in ‘Bhagwan: The Most Godless yet the Most Godly Man.’ I gave my copy away but it was well written and I’ve wondered why there hasn’t been an updated edition. As you’d know Tom Robbins wrote an interesting forward. Someone may still have a copy.
Hi folks,
If anyone wants Amrito’s book, Bhagwan: The Most Godless Yet the Most Godly Man, here at Viha we have copies for sale .
Love, Dhanyam
Dhanyam,
I really enjoyed the latest issue of Viha News. Some great interviews and different perspectives. Those Poona one dvd’s you are selling are very good value and I see you have Veena’s book in stock. I really liked Susan M. Clare’s ‘A Surprise Life-The Spiritual Journey of a Girl From Brooklyn.’ It wasn’t complicated but she obviously was a very authentic person who was one of the last to leave the ranch. Her sannyas name was Sambodhi. Did you know her? Do you have copies? It is one of those books which seem to have slipped under the radar. I like the way she covers those final months at the ranch. In my humble opinion she was a courageous person.
Love,
Roman
the really bad effects of the benzo drugs including valium,now marketed as diazepam, are when the user tries to come off them.
the withdrawals are particularly nasty.
check on wiki..the list is too long for here!
basically,its the horrors,not unlike alcohol DTs .
the difference being that these are “normal people” who have been taking what they though were medicines in good faith morning and afternoon, so their level of addiction is very advanced.
even if you keep using and dont get withdrawals,its reduced mental capacity,depression,lack of energy,lessening of movement,stumbling,slurred speech etc….a bit similar to an all-day drinker.
i dont know if its true that osho was on valium.
its just rumours,altho in some of the ranch videos he was slurring badly and his facial features were a bit blank.(remember how mobile his eyebrows and sharp his expressions were in the early days.)that seemed to have gone.i dont know what other ailment would do that.
they are prescribed as painkillers for lower back pain,which may have been where the story started.
and if he was gung ho about all western medicine,he may have been ripe to fall into the trap.
unless someone sings,we will never know.
Frank, people who were in a position to know such things have been singing for years. It would be impossible to simply write such stories off as hearsay or the product of bitterness. I have no idea why Osho was swallowing tranquillizers. but am pretty sure he was. Ultimately I find myself asking, so what? I’m sure he had his reasons.
Hindu lore abounds with tales of Indian mystics and how they overcame physical impossibilities. Paramahansa Yogananda’s writing being a good example. I can recall Osho talking about how siddhis are like cufflinks to a real master. Yet Osho was plagued by ill health, to the point of becoming allergic to people. All masters die of something, while describing how they are not the body and are something eternal. Even the greats, like say Buddha or Ramana, died of normal maladies, food poisoning and cancer. Ramana was paricularly stoic when it came to how he dealt with his terminal illness, very touching by all accounts. The bottom line is, enlightened or not, death is usually heralded by ill health.
I have always found that Osho died in a very enlightened way, if the accounts are to believed, which I see no reason to doubt. We will all have to face the onset of the dying process and then jump into the unknown, or is it unknown? Unless that is, we get hit by a bus. I’d take Osho as a good example of how to die a good death, along with the likes of Ramana. As to what they died of and why…that was their business and relatively unimportant. These bodies we inhabit are not space suits, but rather ‘earth’ suits. Without an earth suit this world will not exist to us as it is a vehicle of perception. It is said that a human incarnation is a great gift. I reckon it is so. The downside is that the bodies have planned obsolescence hardwired into them and we have become attached to our suits of perception.
Masters say that leaving the body is like taking off a shoe that is too tight…in other words, a relief. There is no reason they would lie about this. I believe them. As to what we die of and how…well, that is indeed perhaps life’s most personal matter. It was for Osho also and therefore what he died of and why is not really any of our business. What was made intentionally public was how he faced death and from that there is much to be learned. We can be thankful for his last lesson and ultimate statement.
I guess many Masters had to do compromises. Needed because of Ignorance, otherwise no disciples and no understanding, but that makes it tight, maybe.
Lokesh,
I really enjoyed reading your comments here. You point out that you believe what masters say when it comes leaving their bodies. So testimony is of some importance.
Is the testimony of mystics in the Western Tradition of significance? I’m thinking of Christian mystics like Meister Eckhart, Jacob Boehme, St.Therese, St.Francis of Assisi and St.John of the Cross. These are names which just come to mind but one can also mention modern ones like Simone Weil, the French Jewish philosopher, who had Christian mystical experiences. Osho did briefly cover some of the names I’ve mentioned but Teertha did once point out that his knowledge of Western alchemy was limited and Teertha then rattled off a few names. How important are these testimonies? Are they the ravings of lunatics? Is there an unbridgeable gap between the teachings of Eastern mystics and those of the West as some claim. Osho always denied this. People like Jung were sceptical. Any thoughts? Obviously one can bring up mystics within the Jewish, Islamic and other traditions, not to mention the gnostic traditions. Now that Osho is dead what is the difference in someone drawing inspiration from him or some alchemist like Paracelsus who Teertha mentioned? Is there an exoteric side to religion and an esoteric side? Any thoughts to share? How important are the testimonies of disciples? As a young lad I was influenced by an older disciple of Ramana Maharshi. What responsibility do disciples have in this game? I once met a humble cleaner in a church centuries ago whose grace moved me. I was down on my luck and I would just sit in this beautiful church because it was peaceful and empty. He would pray. It was a shelter from the storm before leaving for my humble abode in a big city.
Thanks for your positive comments, Roman. Right now I have nothing else to add.
Lokesh,
I replied because you forced me to think.
Not to worry. Drink plenty of water, get enough sleep and you should be okay in a few days. Who knows, you might become accustomed to it.
Frank,
I guess there has been a lot of singing by sannyasins and ex. There are many perspectives and no doubt some are more far-fetched than others. Does one have to take into account the person making these perspectives and their invested interest? What happened around Osho and what he did no doubt will be contested for a long time.
Perhaps there should be some ‘singing’ about Osho’s time in prison?
Are Osho’s claims true? Whose telling fibs? By the way I know people who’ve taken diazepam and it worked well for them when they needed it.
Me too in dependence of Allopathic and because of it still alive. But I like to admit that there was never competent non-allopathic, acceptable and financially affordable help. If running bad, “normal” life crashes and friends mostly gone, it’s no complaint, just fact. Isn’t it fact, that non- Allopathic methods through greedy New Age became idealized and because in order to enrich themselves, prohibitively expensive. Same as the Commune and their Therapeutic Structure. Following a concept of becoming successful, but pity it’s at the expense of others. Because inside is outside, I do not laugh.
Preetam,
Thanks for sharing. I like the way you put normal in inverted commas. You are obviously not a normotic.
i totally agree.
Preetam, rumour has it that you are Shree Shantam’s twin brother. Is there any truth in this or is it just an ugly rumour?
Baba, no time for rumours, only for experiencing.
Sorry to hear that. Get well soon.
Sorry Lokesh, in progress finding my little Humor back, often too oversensitive. No offence meant
No need, just a experience, but thanks
Osho is(was) Master of the Masters?
Why?
Because he is an eloquent speaker or because he has disciples like us!!
Shantam,
I’m responding because you made me think.
You probably noticed that I followed through you Aurobindo link.
In 1919 Hitler joined the DAP which became the NSDAP in 1921. At that first meeting in 1919 Hitler discovered he could speak. This despicable creature was a gifted rhetor. Hitler made everyone believe he was looking at them and swayed millions. Osho was a gifted speaker but there was an inner depth to the man which meant he wasn’t just a rhetor. There was a right wing religious crackpot in the 80′s who could sway audiences in the States through his speaking. I forget his name but this guy fell from ‘grace’ because of some scandal. Some of the guys who took Osho away later arrested this character. A photo in a newspaper showed this christian sobbing and being carried away in a pathetic undignified manner. Some readers may remember this! I think it was shown in the Rajneesh Times. Osho went with dignity and grace. Osho had a strength which wasn’t just to do with speaking. You surely know this? You were in Poona when he ‘dropped his body.’ I learnt from it. As for disciples what to say? Anyone?
it seems, we the long time Osho sannyasins are like the teachers in the business schools; specialised in fiannce, economy, banking and company laws..But when it comes to creating a wall street company, firm simply lands into soup again and again..
Alas..world is not being run by the too much theory.
Well, Shree Shantam, looking at the state of the world today I suspect that you might be running it. Abandon ship!
May I ask a non-issue question? And maybe someone around good in Sanskrit.
At the end of the Atharva Veda there is a Prayer, called: “Prayer to Kâma (love), personified as a primordial power.”
Are Kâma and Karma are the same Sanskrit root, we think by Kâma/Karma of doom not of Love? That would bring a different view.
Here the link for The Atharva Veda: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/av.htm
Preetam,
I can see you’ve got a great aura but I’m lost here. Looking at the link sent my head spinning. I’ve been advised when this happens to have some water and rest for a few days. I hope someone can help you.
Thanks for your response, Roman.
The Translation of Karma as Love I like much more, than what common Translations are. Maybe a cause of seekers’ confusion.
Because we don’t have to overcome, we have to realize.
Preetam,
Just saw these lines:
‘Joints: whole and not whole,
connected-separate, consonant-dissonant.’
Heraclitus
Any clue what that might mean though, roman?!
Satyadeva,
I’ll give it a go and will you then help me out?
1. I liked the way it sounds, play of opposites.
2. Loved Osho’s discourses on Heraclitus. Something about not stepping in the same river twice. Can you help here?
3. This is the big idea that came to mind. ‘Men are just like any other women’. Groucho Marx
Now someone can surely help out here. I’m sorry that’s the best I can do for now. Time for a hot chocolate. Cheers
karma means
“the movie you`re in,which YOU, that is, the whole you,that includes the little you (ego) and not-you, is scripting, directing,acting and experiencing.”
doom and love will be in every life/movie as far as i can see.
the mystery part is who is doing all this and why.
i`ve got no idea
Frank,
Forget about the blue and red pill. If you take the third pill you will find out. Apparently there is a whole civilization under the service of the moon and they manufacture it. You see the moon is not lifeless or a harsh mistress. The mystery schools know that the Nazis were defeated on the moon a long time ago. We haven’t even started to explore these underground cities.
On the positive side Rachael didn’t even know she was a replicant. How could she not know? We at least know that so we know a lot.
Frank,
Who is doing all this? I meant surface nor service.
These freudian slips! The bloody unconscious? Is it the political unconscious? The aesthetic? The jungian? The collective? The Hindu?
Whose in charge? The Buddha? Mohammed? Jesus? Osho? The Outlaws? The teamsters? The president? The head of this site? The wiccan Goddess? Who is in charge? I’m going to Graceland! Anyone been there?
I am always amazed by this “India returned” conscious mind, in generic terms no harm to call it “Lokesh Consciousness”; when world is being run by the old dark mind, the sunny rays of Lokesh can bring the beauty grace, consciousness, all love no war, business but no greed kind of world; but for heaven´s sake why it is not taking place?
On the other side, such kind of No politics but meritcrates simply walk out from the projects, few get the desire to go for toilet, few think it is all EGo!
‘Ego’, that word does not carry much weight these days. Rather than getting life some folk simply need to get a life.
Shantam,
Wonderful! Wonderful!
But there is only LUNAR CONSCIOUSNESS. No other. Haven’t you heard about the new sannyas meditation centre on the Moon? I’ve been told by the Merry Pranksters that every piece of rock and dust is vibrating with energy. Go there and see the world in a grain of sand! You won’t want to come back, you’ll suffer from post-lunar remorse. Remember Osho is ‘Lord of the Full Moon’. From this Sacred Planet you’ll see that all existence is ecstatic. Like Walt Whitman you’ll sing the body electric and dance with existence. Book your lunar ticket and join the Loonies.
Are you on the bus? Are you cool? Are you hip?
I fired my last comment off in a hurry. I must say that all this talk of ‘ego’ is very seventies. Not so many insiders speak like that these days, as many understand the nature of ego and how it is part and parcel of life.
Another word that is wearing a bit thin is the big ‘mystery’. Quite recently my wife said to someone, ‘life is a mystery to be lived and not a problem to be solved’. The recipient of this statement was suitably impressed…obviously not a sannyasin.
The thing is, I see all this mystery headline as a bit of bunkum. The mystery school! Life is mysterious! Do you believe in ghosts? Of course, there is much in life that can be described as mysterious, but what does that have to do with spirituality? Life is also mechanical and predictable, but that is not seen as spiritual. I reckon this mystery number is a trap for spiritual seekers. The truth is available to everyone…right here, right now. The only mysterious thing about the truth is why so many people think it is the most difficult thing in the world to attain. This plays right into the hands of the gurus and spiritual masters…at least the so-called ones. They can talk for hours about the truth but nobody ever quite gets it. The truth is best approached in silence, yet here comes another book full of words about it. Yeah it is a mystery because we could just sit still in silence and know we are that. Instead we have to enroll in mystery schools and dream there is a path that leads to the truth in some better tomorrow.
‘Tea break over, my garden rake beckons.’ (that is a haiku)
Lokesh,
It is fine. At our age chamomile tea is really good whilst listening to Al Martino. Like your post. Like you I can’t say more.
If i don’t refer to the mind, life is very mysterious,………. out of this Oneness ,………so many manifestations!! And here i am, one of those……….coming from , and being this Oneness, while thinking i am seperate, doing it all meself………..meanwhile all these processes in the body and universe are unfolding,moment to moment………………i think i know what is going on,cause mostly i live from the past…………………but sometimes in a glimps, the veil disappears………………….and then………………i don’t know who i am,…………is that the mysterie?
Perhaps you could write to thr personal problems page of your local newspaper.
Lokesh, i thought s.n was the lokalloka mystery-anti mystery newspaper!
Karima,
I’ve been given good advice by Lokesh.
He told me to drink lots of water and rest if I think too much. Some things in life just have to be taken seriously.
Sorry I meant Lokesh.
‘The ultimate success is to write something comical on your deathbed.’
Roman, i shall consider it very (MY) s(T) eriously!
It is.
Are rocks lifeless? I always felt that Osho saw all of existence as divine. I think he would have liked the following. I could be wrong.
“A Lakota medicine person may address a stone as ‘Tunkashila’ – ‘Grandfather.’ Likewise, among the Omaha, a rock may be addressed with the respect and reverence that one pays to an ancient elder:
unmoved
from time without
end
you rest
there in the midst of the paths
in the midst of the winds
you rest
covered with the droppings of birds
grass growing from your feet
your head decked with the down of birds
you rest
in the midst of the winds
you wait
Aged one.
The Spell of the Sensuous by David Abram page 70. The lines are taken from Smoothing the Ground: Essays on Native American Oral Literature by Kenneth Lincoln page 18.
This may not be western alchemy but it is about the sacredness of all existence. I won’t type in songs, prayers, stories dedicated to the sun and moon by oral peoples. There would be lots. As Abram says some humans ‘converse with the more-than-human cosmos, to renew reciprocity with the surrounding powers of earth and sky, to invoke kinship with those entities which, to the civilized mind, are utterly insentient and inert.’ I’m thinking now how Osho must have felt as a little boy in India. Perhaps Subhuti is right. There was no other place for him? One could have an interesting discussion on the whole east/west debate. Osho was critical of Jung who thought that the East was not the way to go. Jung, the alchemist made some real blunders though. Some of you may know what I mean. It was to do with nationalism. Couldn’t accuse Osho of that one, he accepted anyone.
Roman, Jung was not an alchemist in the complete sense of the word (he did no laboratory work). He adapted alchemy to his model of analytical psychology in some fascinating ways, but he was heavily criticized by other scholars, like Julius Evola, for ‘psychologizing’ alchemy and reducing it to a symbolic description of his individuation process. In other words, Jung saw alchemy as a language describing the ‘coming to wholeness’ of a person, whereas Evola (and other alchemy specialists like Burkhardt) maintained that alchemy was not intended to represent psychological healing, but was rather an esoteric system meant for people who were already psychologically balanced. (Then there were the ‘puffers’, those who were obsessed with finding the Philosopher’s Stone that could produce gold, or the Chinese version, which was about immortality). That said, I personally don’t have a problem with Jung’s approach, I think he was addressing matters in a time when being psychologically ‘unhealed’ had become so commonplace that it was rare to find a person who emerged from childhood relatively functional and adjusted (and Osho said as much, as well).
As for Jung’s trip to India, when he famously declined to meet Ramana Maharshi, Jung was 62 at the time and set in his ways. He felt that meeting Ramana would have been pointless because at that point he believed he needed to follow his own star, to realize truth strictly from within himself. I think I recall Osho saying that he ‘hated’ Jung because of this position (which I thought was a bit over the top). Almost certainly, however, many seekers of 1960s-70s who eventually found Osho had been influenced in some way by Jung.
Teertha,
I did follow up everything Osho said about Jung years ago. It is true that I’m one of these people who had Jung’s collected works prior to coming across Osho. I also hung around well know Jungians and spent time in Zurich. Not that it did me any good. Still have Jungian friends. They are aren’t all boring farts. The best have written well on Jung and his problems. Andrew Samuels comes to mind. A leading Jungian cult member who wrote a massive work titled ‘The Political Psyche.’ Brilliant comments on Jung and the Nazi era. Worth googling some essays if that is your cup of tea.
Jungians wear braces and sannyasins once wore malas.The mala made my life interesting but didn’t keep my trousers up.
We could explore more here. The braces versus mala debate. I’d like this.
Teertha,
You’ve got me intrigued about the ‘puffers’. Any more to add? This thread is about health so I’ll get back on topic.
Osho once hammered a Jungian pointing out that Freud was superior. He did likewise with a Freudian pointing out that Jung was more advanced. The whole Ramana episode is interesting. Jan Foundraine (Amrito) has written a book dealing with Jung’s fear of going to Ramana. Foundraine is in his 80′s and was asked to present some paper at a psychiatric convention some years ago in England. I downloaded what he said which was interesting. I had a few chats with him in Poona 2. He’s no fool. Richard Noll’s ‘The Jung Cult’ and ‘The Aryan Christ’: The Secret Life of Carl Jung’ are interesting but there’s a whole story behind them. Maybe Noll has a secret life. Everyone wants to kill daddy. Just like any cult you can do well if you become a high priest or priestess within the movement. The only Westerner who comes close to Osho is Jacques Lacan but that is another story. He loved his toys and had the largest art collection in Europe. You’d pay a fortune for a therapy session to see him from anywhere between an hour and a minute. It all depended on what you said. People thanked him profusely for this. Amazing how people will pay to get punched in the face. Is this tragedy or farce? He had the creme dela creme coming to him. Remember Picasso? Lacan never wrote a book, just gave lectures. No-one understood them yet he was brilliant. There was a whole esoteric side to him which few know about.
As for Papa Jung he got me into the I Ching when I was a lad and I spent 2 years making decisions based on the throwing of the coins. It was an interesting experience.
All this reminds me of Steely Dan and Burroughs, Kerouac etc. Amazing we are still here.
ps do know of a Jungian psychiatrist who became a sannyasin and opened up a little mikbar business. I’ve met others who read Jung and became sannyasins. All part of the zeitgeist?
Are rocks lifeless? You would not ask that question if you had a proper psychedelic experience. There are different levels of psychedelic experience. You need to go beyond the cellular into molecular and atomic to understand what I am referring to. On a molecular level one realizes that everything is alive. Rocks simply vibrate at a lover rate than say animals humans and plants, but they are definately alive. This is why enlightened peope say never born never died, because the are tuned into that which is beyond time and space.
Osho was fond of Nataraj as an expression of how God danced himself into his creation. A reality where the dance and the dancer are one and the same. Everything is alive. Death does not exist.
Lokesh,
I again appreciate your help. At the Leibowitz Monastery, where I study on weekends, Brother Francis Gerard mentioned the Dance of Shiva. Is this similiar to what your saying? Brother Francis is incredibly intelliegent, passionate about the truth and cares for our welfare. He sometimes uses complex alchemical exoteric, or is it esoteric, language? I do get a bit lost. You explain things a lot better to me. I’m a simple person care who talks to the animals and trees. Recently Brother Francis used the words ADOROI ELOHIM and something happened to me. He said I still haven’t had the MussnaHassma which also reminds me of what you’re saying. He also said I would one day be a Starship Trooper and move behind time and space. I’m trying my best to learn from intelligent spiritual guides who are futher advanced than I am. By the way do you think Osho was a bit deficient in the Western Alchemical Tradition as Teertha claims? Is this a serious problem? Do I need to read Evolva (Revolva?)? I can’t remember the others. There was an Eliade. Loving kindness.
ps Do you like Al Martino?
Lokesh,
A pity more of us cannot ‘be tuned into that which is beyond time and space’. Some of those Western alchemists really had their problems. Eliade was a Romanian fascist. Jung was an anti-semite. Mussolini loved Evola. All names mentioned on this site. What a great alchemical transformation! Strange how nationalism seems to get in the way of moving beyond time and space. Even the great Dr.Johnson rubbished the Scots, in his famous dictionary, for eating too many oats. He should have known better. The poor needed oats and not just the horses. Johnson did know povery. Ramana once made a comment about a Western disciple being of his kind in terms of national identity. I guess the Aurobindo biography has touched a nerve because of Hindu nationalism. There has been much said about the racism and prejudice Osho experienced in the States and on the ‘World Tour’. Subhuti touches on it. We as a species can’t even move beyond our race, gender and class prejudices. What to say about time and space. Was sannyas a class system within a class? What about today? I found Premartha’s comments about the Ludlum novels, certain people were reading, interesting. Different pockets of sannyasins had different tastes in a whole range of cultural areas which would be worth exploring. Frank stated that he refused to play the aeroplane game which I also found disgusting. I was offered a free-ticket and a group of us said no. So one might laugh at my politics but the game was just capitalist hype. People were told it was all about Osho’s vision. Crap! It made the papers and he was blamed for it in my part of the woods. Some time back I pointed out that the Rajneesh Chronicles were republished. Some one said it was to do with making a buck. That is utter bullshit. The editor owns a very successful publishing company and he only has to pick up the phone to speak to Obama. He also isn’t a right wing Christian but he opposed Osho from the outset. He disagreed with everything that Osho stood for when it came to marriage, traditional family values etc etc. Alok has touched on conspiracy theories and lies made up about Osho. He even gave us an example of someone who was a mole in the old days. I guess the spy wanted to make sure we didn’t move beyond time and space. I heard of a story of an agent who took sannyas. Perhaps he became a starship trooper and is now living beyond blah blah blah.
As Van Morrison said ‘I’m nothing but a stranger in this world. I’ve got a home on high.’
Roman — Eliade and Evola were not alchemists far as I know. They were academics/scholars who wrote about alchemy (and other things — Eliade wrote what is probably two of the better books on shamanism and yoga, and Evola wrote a very interesting book on Tantra).
My take on Osho was that he was not especially interested in scholars or historians (he usually mocked them). His interest was more in mystics or controversial gurus. But he usually mocked most of them as well.
As for health, I don’t think Osho had a high opinion of some his native systems of healing, like Ayurveda. He used to make fun of Morarji Desai’s practice of drinking his own piss, which is Ayurvedic, as I understand it.
Teertha,
Thanks for these comments. I’m sure Osho’s library would have Eliade’s books. I was disappointed to find out about Eliade’s fascism and nationalism. He studied meditation and yoga under Shivananda in the 30′s and other teachers. He was an amazingly erudite guy. I know less about Evola except his tantric text but he has been accused of being a mystical fascist. Eliade praised him. Mysticism and fascism are an interesting combination as we know. Speaking about tantra, Benjamin Walker pointed out (for what it is worth) that Osho was a tantric teacher of the left handed path. Any ideas on this? You probably know Walker’s book? Mysticism and fascism is an interesting area along with charismatic leaders and their followers. Nice to be able to share ideas on sannyasnews.
Roman, Nevill Drury’s recent book ‘Stealing Fire From Heaven’ has some excellent material on the Left Hand approach. (I had dinner with him and his wife last summer; he’s published over 40 books — I asked him how he did it, and he told me ‘I’m addicted to getting published’). I wrote about Osho’s ‘left hand’ orientations in the chapter of my ‘Magi’ book called ‘Kings of the Night’. There is certainly room for further studies in the matter. In short, my understanding of the Left Hand path is that it seeks to exalt the self, rather than to transmute, subsume, vanquish, or otherwise overcome it, which is essentially the Right Hand path. It seems clear that Osho was influenced somewhat by his readings of the leading figures of the human potential movement, especially figures like Maslow and Wilhelm Reich, and the entire Esalen experiment, which sought to overthrow two millennia worth of Judeo-Christian self-sacrificing ideals (something in turn influenced by Nietzsche and the earlier Romantics). It was inevitable that Osho would end up teaching Left Hand work to some degree, given his antinomian and radical character, and fact that he was seeking to restore balance in the world. A few other teachers/mystics/scholars were trying something similar, and what all hold in common is how they ended up getting attacked from many quarters.
Incidentally, this morning I was chatting with my immediate neighbor, who duly informed me that she was seeking to unload a small cache of books and magazines, and would I be interested? Turns out they were a collection of Osho books and old sannyas magazines, exactly some of the material I was looking for in research for possible future biography. There’s no getting away from the man.
Teertha,
Thanks for these words. Talk about the uncanny. I guess many of us could share such stories. Perhaps we should all met at the Boar’s Head Inn?
re jung,reich,neitzsche etc…
neitzsche….”dyonisus against the crucified” is how he signed his name as he checked out of planetside and slipped into insanity in the grips of his fascist sister…
“the murder of christ”… reich`s book as he slid into self-identification with christ,insanity,flying saucer wars and paranoid delusions.
“socrates poisoned again
jesus christ crucified again in ronald rayguns america”……
then he gets a good hiding from a bunch of black magicians in his own back yard….
is there a connection,a lineage of some sort?
osho “hated” jung,but gave “posthumous sannyas” to reich–said he was a tantric master etc
(altho` one quote you wont hear from osho neo-reichian therapists is when,after reading reichs wife account of his carryons,osho declared reich a “pervert”
sannyasins in general have a skewed reverence for reich,and dont realise that even hardcore reichians these days realise that reich was not “persecuted” by the US govt(“the blue meanies”)but in fact it was his own stupidity and poor judgment that landed in him in jail,which he could easily have avoided if he had not suffered from insufferable arrogance and paranoia.
he was also a heavy drinker at that point.drink nor drugs tend to not be helpful to paranoia.
have you read “listen little man”by reich?
i had a few glasses of schnapps and read it out loud,and method acted it in a german accent.
it was scary man.
you wouldn`t want that guy round for dinner,i can tell you….
Teertha,
Really interesting post about human potential movement, Maslow and particularly Esalen. Good luck with that book. Interesting that about 10 volumes on Osho’s discourses on the Bhagavad Gita are being translated in English. Guess he didn’t have time to read all the Western stuff but he did throw in a few names like Eckhart and other christian mystics. I thought the early ‘Come Follow Me’ discourses on Jesus were incredibly moving. About 8 volumes there!. He was vast.
Evola was a fascist at the beginning, he had given an esoteric-symbolic belief-system to fascism that Mussolini was waiting for, since the nazism of Hitler had already from the beginning its own esoteric structure and initiations and Mussolini probably felt he missed something for his own totalitarian regime when compared with Hitler’s.
By the way i found the french Renè Guenon much more interesting, he and Evola were deep friends but Guenon never agreed with any kind of political movement,and he had a crystal clarity in explaining every kind of symbology-exoterism-religion that Evola clearly missed, due to putting his own personality and personal taste in what he wrote, as italians do.
YS,
Perennialists like Guenon and Schuon are obviously concerned with truths that they consider to be permanent and universal. Fascism doesn’t have a place in their world. Was Osho a perennialist? A rhetorical question.
I don’t think so. But of course, all these intellectual definitions are something he would laugh about. What is interesting is to read the opinions of Guènon about J.Krishnamurti. Would he probably have written the same thing about Osho, if he could have had the possibility to know about him?
guenon would have said osho was a charlatan,as he called his contemporary,gurdjieff, a charlatan.
he thought wisdom could only be passed in a sanctioned tradition.
they are probably both power trippers and control freaks in my view.
but a choice between an officially-sanctioned-by-other-traditional-wiseguys wiseguy and an off-the-hoof-make-it-up-as-you-go-along-self-employed-DIY charlatan – I know which I prefer.
Roman, I appreciate your sincerity.
Do you like Al Martino? Never heard of him, but with a name like that I’d probably give Al a miss. Right now I am into breakbeat.
My hot tune of the week is Fela Kuti’s ‘Vampires’…..sonic masterpiece.
Lokesh,
If you haven’t heard of martino you don’t want to. I just checked Fela Kuti out. Thanks. Ever seen ‘Kansas City’ by Robert Altman? No one watches it but Altman said it would be recognized as a masterpiece, made in 1996. We are talking about 1934 Kansas with mafia control and jazz. Altman gets some of the best young jazz muscians in the States to play together, a real achievement. Worth listening to the soundtrack and watching the film. Don Byron is wonderful on clarinet. Just listened to him today. Went out and bought cd’s by all these guys. Remember Nashville? You mentioned that you had Iranian friends. There is an Iranian sannyasin called Sangit Sirus. Loved his sufi music.
Here on Ibiza we have our very own Iranian sannyasin musician…Baramji. He plays funky santoor and has cut a number of excellent albums, also a lovely guy.
Lokesh,
I downloaded some of Baramji’s music. What a wonderful muscian. Thankyou.
Here are a few lines of a long poem from Wallace Stevens (one of my favourite poets) titled:
The Man with the Blue Guitar
They said, ‘You have a blue guitar,
You do not play things as they are.’
The man replied, ‘Things as they are
Are changed upon the blue guitar.’
And they said then, ‘But play, you must,
A tune beyond us , yet ourselves,
A tune upon the blue guitar
Of things exactly as they are.’
Missed Dynamic in early days, because of being important or having dates, and now too weak? Try this::
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Osho’s enlightenment is not only limited to his understanding of an inner experience. Osho Enlightenment inevitably opens the eyes to the microstructure which tries by all means to keep the individual tied into Peripheries. What is in its conspicuousness is extremely painful, totally unacceptable and can not be tolerated, it affects the health of the Enlightened. The inner and outer, apparently one room and not separated.
And how would you know about all this then, Preetam? Hot line to Osho perhaps?!
Are you next going to claim that one of the tests for someone’s enlightenment is that he/she has to be chronically physically unwell?
Are you sure you know what you’re talking about? (I have my doubts).
Come on satyadeva, I already told that I am “subjective Euphoric”
What’s a “subjective Euphoric”, please, Preetam?
To me it appears Self-realization is subjective and is a euphoric realization process. Gurdijeff said our Soul needs to be created. Seems it‘s right, called Tapas/creative Favor, my humble subjective opinion.
I see…Where does the ‘ill health factor’ come into this though, Preetam? Are you yourself becoming physically handicapped and/or diseased, chronically ill, as a result of all your “subjective euphoria”?
According to your previous comments, that might well be a rather significant sign that you’re on the right track, wouldn’t it?
In which case, how should one respond – with the normal sort of commiserations, compassion for your physical sufferings, or simply by congratulating you on your lofty spritual achievement (with even more to come, of course)?
Feel a bit in a precarious position. The Disease occurred not because of Euphoria. It came in between, maybe it is needed, creating urgency. Looks as if existence isn’t a musical request programme, sometimes.
It creates and we only have to be available. I think important are the right individual climate and how available one is that moment, totally, ready of giving up. But whom I am telling it, you know it even better.
Ok, Preetam, I wish you well with this.
Thank you satyadeva.
One thing I want to say, though: As long as a person is hungry on our planet, I see no reason not to condemn this wretched Masonic matrix. For me, enlightenment is half as long as we have no peace on earth but in place whose yet chaos and violence are dominating Humanity.
Sorry, had to write here, no more space.
Yeah, all sounds good, but really what does all this have to do with drinking a cup of tea?
Lokesh,
I’m enjoying cognac in my hot chocolate these days.
Half Truth is like tea without tea, only hot water. But this is my very impersonal concern.
Perhaps the state of consciousness that Osho had was hard to tolerate for any human nervous system, the fact the he doesn’t blink his eyes very often also says something….and maybe the energetic connection that he had with his sannyasins and the ashram channel a lot of psychic garbage to him; his consciousness and his mind were able to work on it (it was his job at the end) but the cells of his body were not. Like many other indians,he never cared too much about the physical body, while Aurobindo instead give a lot of importance to it.
‘Perhaps the state of consciousness that Osho had was hard to tolerate for any human nervous system,’ YS, why even contemplate such mumbo-jumbo? Sounds like something you picked up from a Tibetan comic book. He didn’t blink his eyes…have you never noticed how pro actors rarely blink on camera? I have inside information from a reliable source who told me that in private Osho blinked a lot.
Ah really? I don’t have acces to such inside informations.So then Osho was a pro actor on the spiritual show business?
The significance of the blinking thing has probably been overdone. A mystic/philosopher that Osho himself acknowledged as enlightened, J. Krishnamurti, had a definite stillness about him, but clearly blinked, as much as any adjusted, functional person would. A good example is this video here:
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Curious about this, I looked at some of the silent clips of Ramana Maharshi. The quality of the clips is not good enough to tell (they were taken in the late 1940s), but interesting to watch anyway:
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Teertha,
I enjoy your tales and the downloads. I also meant the Tavern not the Inn.
Osho certainly could tell a good story. Reminds me of the following:
‘It was a stormy night in the Bay of Biscay and his sailors were seated around the fire. Suddenly the Captain said, Tell us a story, Captain. And the Captain began, It was a stormy night in the Bay of Biscay…
Ciaran Carson, Fishing for Amber: A Long Story
enlightenment is the ultimate game for kids,then.
how lazy you can be?
how long you can go without blinking?
storytelling.
even god is playing hide and seek with himself,supposedly
Perhaps blinking is inversely related to level of enlightenment. Buddha then wins, because in his statues he has not blinked for over 2,000 years.
And here, actor Michael Caine explaining the mysteries of blinking vs. not blinking (and perhaps one of Osho’s secrets):
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PT,
not a lot of people know that!
you have really uncovered an esoteric secret of the thespian alchemists here…
enlightened masters were taking their tips from luvvies and thesps all along…
“presence” is the other thing that satsangers EOs etc go on about.
well,that is taught in every drama school too.
how to method act enlightenment:
speak slow
move slow
yet ensure arm movements are more pronounced than normal
blink little
look people in the eye beyond the normal accepted time
maximise presence at all times.
show little emotion.
remain on buttocks for lengthy periods.
crazy wisdom masters need a larger repetoire of course,but the advantage there is that,once your status is established, even if you get drunk and fall over eg, people will simply assume it is an important teaching…
Preetam, are you sure you are not Shree Shantam’s twin brother?
I don’t know if Shantam will be happy with me as his twin, but I am pieces too.
Osho was a pro actor on the spiritual show business? Amongst other things, yes. YS, your sense of humour comes across as somewhat lacking. Word for today….ironic..