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The Awakening of Mankind or the Awakening of Russell Brand ?
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Compared to Shantam he seems a spiritual giant.
Many spiritual orphans have a chance to drop their books and adopt a daddy.
Real alive spiritual giant from the same culture is much better than a dead foreigner!
Up to about a couple or so years ago, I couldn’t stand Russell Brand, I found him an arrogant, mouthy, narcissistic so’n'so, but since then my opinion has changed, partly through having read his early autobiography, the rest through reading about him and seeing him speak like this, on tv and online.
A great quality he has is being ‘total’, wholehearted, he simply doesn’t do things by halves, whether it’s (or rather, was) drug and alcohol addiction, compulsive sex, or general rebellious, anti-social behaviour in his earlier years. In other words, this is a 100% ‘sinner’ who’s changed his ways and is now putting his energy into finding out what’s ‘really real’, having found fame, fortune and the rest aren’t all they’re cracked up to be. A ‘prodigal son’ indeed – good for him!
Ok, so he’s ‘only’ into TM and yoga, plus what sound like various Buddhist or similar concepts, and he might seem to project the possibly naïve, almost messianic zeal of the recently ‘converted’, with more than a touch of ‘guru-itis’, but I find it refreshing, even inspiring, that someone so much in the public eye (he’s a famous stand-up comedian, in case anyone hasn’t heard of him) has the nerve to broadcast and argue his views so passionately on tv etc., to attempt to undermine all the crap that goes down as ‘normal’ in this shallow, materialistic, media-driven world and put forward another approach to life, another view of ‘reality’.
I’m certain that Osho, for example, would enjoy him – and see huge potential…
I only hope he doesn’t come in for sustained ‘crucifixion’-by-media, like David Icke and others who’ve dared to go publically against the grain. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t be too optimistic about that. So, I hope he gets plenty of public support if or rather when he comes under sustained attack..
From my point of view, he had an experience of Oneness, and his mind is very enthusiastically galloping away with it.
If only he could slow down a bit, he would come over more genuinely, but then again this is the package…and his eyes look very fanatic, but so did Nisagardata’s….
Is it because of some particular icon(s) that mankind is getting more and more awakened?
This year’s Nobel Prize for awakening the humanity goes to…
As per sannyasnews, to the latest boyfriend of Ms. Jamima Khan!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11006984/Jemima-Khan-and-Russell-Brand-trigger-police-investigation-after-masseuse-claims-assault.html
Moral of the story:
If you meet the right woman, you are a changed man. You become happier. This is what meditation has become all about.
Being Happy!
In the interests of balance…
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/…news/russell-brand-jemima-khan-sue-3957589
If how he is can extend the use of ideas, the challenging of and consequent emboldening of generative selves, the development of the potential of language, the intimacies deriving from this change in gestalt, then the language he uses will have served its purpose.
Sometimes attitudes and ideas percolate into the wider society, resulting in developing creativity and correspondence. Sometimes conversely, those same ideas are hijacked into the power structures as semantic palliatives for describing lies as truth – between people, in advertising, as politics – so as to humanise and ingratiate the message.
If you listen to Brand’s output he acknowledges this use of language by wrestling with conceptual virtuosity, that at times takes his desire to challenge the arrogance of the underlying values to the end of his capacity to effectively engage them and others.
The British have an historic, dramatically-informed ability to perform and act-out, coupled with an unparalleled virtuosity for humour. Humour as catharsis and deliverance from the crass and inherited privacies and privations of daily and sexual life. This is because every culture finds ways of nourishing the libido, has to, when it is regularly assaulted by the vicissitudes of alienating ritualised ‘work’ or religious manic limitations. Or just simple nuclear family dishonesty and incapacity for nurture.
The British are not famously renowned for sensuality or the outpouring of the life-affirming passions. Other races, moreover, have these qualities somewhat falsely ascribed to them, when actually people there are replete with cultural bindings and expectant morality. What the British and other cultures who are similar do instead to illuminate this yearning is to allow for variety, which others rush to Britain and elsewhere to enjoy.
I found Canada and Canadians to be healthily engaging and capable of self-development, not weighed down by the fearful rules of their neighbours and self-satisfied enough to promote each other.
The Czechs are also very fond of absurdity and idiosyncrasy and well-educated too and involved in healthy intellectual debate, where sex talk is also unembarrased table-talk.
Whereas Italian men and women aren’t sexually candid. However, they do love to know how and what and how much you love, once you have demonstrated your status-bound worth or relevance to them personally. Tt’s not open for general televised debate entering into Catholicised homes, not even with ribald humour attached to make it fun…ohhhh nooooo!
Though you might be curious to know that the main protagonist of Italian open forum sex discussion talk in the studio amongst ordinary folk after midnight is in fact a famous young Italian tv show host, a very attractive lady, engaging,warm and fun and also a regular tv face – and…a sannyasin born to sannyasin parents who had escaped the student killings in Argentina of the 70s dictatorships and fled to Pune. I can’t find a link for her in English, but this can be google-translated…
So yes, Oshoness gets out there and touches people’s lives…and even when using this information in English classes abroad, dare I say
!
http://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camila_Raznovich
Brand also happens to be vegetarian.
http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whatson/festivals-series/festival-of-love/the-seven-kinds-of-love
I did not watch the vid because anyone talking about mankind awakening does not know what they are talking about. Mankind might eventually go through some form of collective awakening, say in the next 100,000 years or therabouts, if mankind miaculously survives its own extremely violent tendencies, but it will not come about any day soon.
Currently, going by the headline news at least, mankind is up to its usual destructive games and appears as fast asleep as ever. If you sit silently for a few minutes you will hear the collective snore.
I think awakening is exclusive to the individual. After all, there is only so much understanding and enlightenment to go around and if we divide it amongst billions of people there will not nearly be enough to make it happen. Better keep awakening a secret and that way one or two of us might stand a chance. Next!
I recommend watching the video, Lokesh, as it comprises extracts from Russell Brand’s comments, it’s not a talk entitled ‘The Awakening of Mankind’ – that’s just a title created by whoever put this together and put it on youtube.
It’s not that he’s saying anything ‘new’, it’s rather that he’s a high-profile ‘celebrity’ doing a series of what might be termed public ‘psycho-spiritual’ rants, including attacks on various prevailing societal and media-driven values.
As I said, refreshing to see such views publically expressed with such passion, and on quite another level to ‘punk’-type nihilism.
I agree with SD, Lokesh.
This title is absurd, but Brand is not on about this. Just saying a few things from his experience, and after going through in his earlier life something a bit similar to many sannyasins.
I liked to watch the faces/reactions of his interviewers…that in itself is fun. They clearly do not understand him at all.
Okay, guys, you win. Will watchee at some point.
I watched and listened to the vid for…one minute. I find the man to be a motormouth who might receive the attention he craves in greater proportions if he slowed his rate of verbal outpourings by approximately 1000%. Cannot take a chap like that seriously. Sounds like he is on a crystal meth rant.
Gino Groppi (formerly Prem Rajan), who’ll soon be registering at SN, says:
“Well! He has certainty caused a stir at Sannyas News, I think some are a little rattled that a non-sannyasin could be so everything they would love to be, but do not have the balls or the capability or dare I say the rather over-elaborate vocabulary to carry it off!
I think he must have swallowed a dictionary at some point in his life. But look, this is why he is so famous, he rattles people’s cages on both sides of the fence.
Very entertaining, especially people’s reactions to him. And I emphasise the word REACTIONS rather then responses! He really does get up some people’s noses!”
A less frantic, yet still confrontational version of Mr Brand here in two shortish videos…
https://uk.celebrity.yahoo.com/news/russell-brand-fox-news-sean-hannit..
Lokesh, I agree with the first and last sentence you wrote, but not with this one:
“There is only so much understanding and enlightenment around, that if we have to divide it…” etc. etc.
How can this be true when pure intelligence and enlightenment IS, and has no measure, and is infinitely and always available for everyone who is willing to sacrifice everything, the whole dream, who we think we are…
Granted, not many in this world are willing or have come to that stage, but that doesn’t mean that the Divine is not available – how could It not be when Itself, through us, wants to see Itself and dance Its dance…?
Karima, how do you know for sure that pure intelligence has no measure in regards what human beings can absorb?
As for enlightenment, we do not have to bother about it because one cannot honestly speak about it unless one is enlightened, and I take it, like myself, that you are not enlightened.
Intelligence, pure or otherwise, is material. As such it can be measured. Therefore the question of quantity arises. If an enlightened master has knowledge and understanding to share he stands a better chance of a transference taking place with a few close disciples around him. If he spreads it to the masses it becomes so diluted that it is worthless. Perhaps even damaging because only an incomplete transmission takes place, leaving people more lost than they already are.
One could take Osho’s life as an example of this. I have met thousands of sannyasins. From what I can guage the ones who were fortunate enough to have close contact him were more affected in a profound way than say, someone who got a name through the post and never actually met the man.
Some might argue that relationsips with Osho are inner, but that does not change the fact that people who actually sat close to Osho were more obviously transformed than those who did not.
This is one reason I find it preposterous that people who never actually experienced Osho’s presence to any real degree are now claiming to understand what his legacy is etc. They simply do not know what they are talking about.
“Better keep awakening a secret and that way one or two of us might stand a chance. Next!”
Could be that I have been waiting for your response, Lokesh – otherwise there has not been any loop to join this strange dance.
I did see the vid, well, most of it, and did get what Satyadeva posted about the compilation.
If you see a vid you also see the audience and feel about the whole setting AND you see the main protagonist.
My compassion about the man is quite another one, Satyadeva, as you are standing a nice way ‘by his side’, Karima too, here.
I did see a comedian and an actor and I did see a man who was overtaken by and in his performance, a man not in contact with his audience (nor to himself?).
It´s the different scales and shapes of audience that made me more discouraged and not to speak about the ‘title of this thread’!
Well, this is predominantly a male website section and UK also (I thought then) including the male ratings of other ‘spiritually yet to be colonized’ parts of the world which sometimes get their points and ratings too by men on a mission. (MOD: COULD YOU CLARIFY THESE LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS, PLEASE, MADHU?)
I don´t feel, Satyadeva, that the man (performing) has anything to fear – maybe the loss of being in some of the talk shows or the loss of some million dollar babies who find the next entertainment and the next kick.
So every chance then for himself to embody what he is talking of, before addressing the ‘world at large’.
To see “some Oshoness”, like Prem Martyn does, when he ends so far with his ratings
that – I am only able to follow as intrinsic to his ratings (of others) and maybe of his schedule as a teacher on a mission – having the best of possible time to enjoy for himself in doing so –
so some of the ‘trademark’ to which this name ‘Osho’ has been mutated to,
maybe in it – or not. (MOD: PLEASE CLARIFY THIS PARAGRAPH, MADHU)
The latter (the trademark thing) is paining me and that´s my meditation…
And what´s also paining me is when words come as a repetitive flood and lose their meaning – and what are the consequences of that?
Madhu
P.S:
The audience in the vid pieces was there and also maybe little bit open (?)
but was neither reached nor really addressed (met).
That´s the way I saw and heard it, sorry!
Okay, Madhu. Thanks for your input.
I dislike the guy. Women seem to like him…or are attracted by his sex hormones!!
Madhu, the reference to Oshoness is directly linked to Camilla, not Brand.
Brand’s attempts and name is preceded by my “If” and is just a discursive assessment of mine in general. I have no particular interest in his metier or manner.
Martyn, me neither.
Russell Brand has ever spoken about some Osho book or his audio or video?
Has he ever done some kind of Osho meditations?
And here, lifelong sannyasins are feeling wow!
Maybe it is too much identification with the word ‘meditation’!
I could not listen more than few sentences. Maybe it is because of the facial energy or maybe I realised, “Spoken British English sounds like bullets from a shotgun.”
Shantam, kindly re-read the third paragraph of my post of last night (8.52pm).
(And btw, Osho discourses and meditations are far from the only available and effective means of self-transformation…).
“Osho discourses and meditations are far from the only available and effective means of self-transformation”
Have I ever wrote something like this?
Have I ever wrote people were not becoming awakened before Osho or after his arrival, entry in the heavenly worlds have become overcrowded?
Shantam is jealous.
Jealous that a man who is nothing to do with sannyas
gets more respect from everybody here than he will
get in a thousand years.
ROTFLMAO
(。⌒∇⌒)。
So what exactly is the ‘problem’ then, Shantam? Why shouldn’t someone from outside the ‘Osho world’ be respected or praised?
If you don’t understand, let me repeat that what he’s been doing is admirable because he’s putting himself ‘out there’, ‘on the line’, as the saying goes, and uncompromisingly saying things that very few public figures dare to.
The nearest examples that come to mind are John Lennon and David Icke, in their own individual ways, both of whom were persecuted via the media by powerful interests, made out to be not just ‘eccentric’, but ‘mad’, ‘dangerous’ etc. Indeed, it’s conceivable that John Lennon’s murder might well have been orchestrated by the CIA.
As Madhu says, he might get away with it with minimal harassment, but I reckon if he carries on in similar vein he’ll start to really ‘feel the heat’, sooner rather than later.
A lustful long-haired Anglo-Saxon baboon who is not living a pure yogic life but indulging in sense-pleasure and the endless titillation of the genital organs and has even been voted “shagger of the year” by depraved westerners who have abused the freedom that God has given them -
and the foolish western sannyasins on Sannyasnews fall at his feet!?
Meanwhile, Swami Arun is truly doing Osho`s work and following Osho`s diktat as he feels great joy as he meets with the incarnation of Zorba the Buddha, Narendra Modi!
And the baboons cannot see that Osho`s vision is being fulfilled by true disciples!
Arun says, “Modi has the vision and courage to bring change”.
Yes, and like Osho he will use all methods. If the rotten old religions like Islam, homosexuals and woman cannot move with the vision of an India as spiritual world leader, then according to holy scriptures of Bhagavad Gita, which the rational western mind knows nothing of and cannot understand, state clearly the spiritual nature of genocide and that mass death and extermination is perfectly acceptable as it is simply the karmic Leela and play of Krishna!
Hare Krishna!
Hare Om!
Osho!
Yahoo!
Jai Bhagwan!
History agrees with Arun that one man must impose his willpower on the nation for the sake of a vision.
Have you baboons not read your history books?
Now, Modi is doing it!
So is Arun!
Yahoo!
Osho gave western sannyasins a taste of fascism but the corrupt American government destroyed His vision, rendering it incomplete, just as now the Americans are trying to besmirch the holy name of Narendra Modi,true yogi.
But Arun, using Modi in the same way as the occult society of Ashoka’s Unknown Nine Men used Hitler, as Bhagwan described, will bring about mass enlightenment through the triggering of mass murder to end all mass-murder.
Hari Om!
One India! Great India!
One leader!
One country!
One religion!
Yahoo!
Yogi is always good for a laugh.
“Shantam is jealous.”
Thus wrote the man who needs professional treatment against obsessive compulsive disorder!
Shantam,
Youve spent seven years nagging and trying to manipulate everyone at Sannyas News to get you the ashram on a plate, and have got absolutely nowhere, and you suggest I suffer from obsessive compulsive disorder.
Hilarious.
You really need to try and understand the meaning of projection.
Some hope, Arpana – haven’t you heard, he doesn’t believe in self-reflection, self-enquiry, self-knowledge and meditation or meditativeness (he thinks they just mean some technique to do for an hour) etc. etc?
For Shantam, that’s all ‘psychology’, bullshine, irrelevant, rubbish. You know, nothing whatsoever to do with what Osho and Sannyas are really all about…
Whereas flirting with and (hopefully) getting your leg over with foreign women, and feeling oneself to be some sort of ashram VIP, now those are ‘other matters’ entirely….
I knew he was jealous without any doubt,
but talk about prove me right by that hysterical reaction.
SROTFLMAO
Under the grab of self-reflection, self-enquiry and self- knowledge many people hide their psychopathic tendencies. Most of the time these people are well aware about their own limitations. They use meditation as an supplement to crush their own shadow side.
This is one of the reasons, in any public debate, they operate behind the scene, they are hesitant to bring the light on their facial expressions.
Fear is there, people can see their state of mind. It is not difficult to see even on this site, who are such fearful souls using borrowed wise expressions as chocolate to cover their stink.
Shantam reveals more about himself.
Jealous, with obsessive compulsive disorder, and psychotic tendencies.
So whats new?
A good example, Shantam, of believing something for the sake of your convenience.
Not to mention your chronic ignorance about might be called ‘internal matters’:
“Psychopathic tendencies”, eh? Do you know what ‘psychopathic’ actually means?
“Meditation”, eh? Do you know what ‘meditation’ actually means? You wouldn’t recognise ‘meditation’ if it knocked on your bedroom door and begged to stay the night!
And you think you’re ‘qualified’ to pronounce on ‘The Future of Sannyas’? The level of stubbornly held delusion you operate at is truly remarkable.
Why DO you bother to carry on writing your repetitious nonsense here, day after day, month after month, year after year? Presumably, your intention is to influence opinion – but don’t you realise you’ve influenced no one, you’ve simply wasted your time and energy? Or are you simply utterly thick? And enjoy mentally masturbating in public?
The only positive to come from your efforts here is the laughs you’ve unintentionally provided, as, in Lokesh’s words, the unofficial “village idiot”.
In my opinion, yes it is only an opinion through the words, you, Satyadeva and Arpana are two people at this site who sound like Pizzas wrapped in their plastic folio.
This highly childish and somehow idiotic claim about one´s meditativeness is possible only when plastic wrapped Pizza is still in the freezer.
No one’s making any high-falutin’ “claim about one’s meditativeness”, Shantam, that’s just your wilful misreading, misinterpretation, as is so often the case with your nonsense, born of ignorance-with-an-agenda.
I repeat, you come across here as a man who not only engages in minimal self-reflection/self-enquiry, but one who relegates it all to a level of supreme unimportance. Presumably, for your own convenience, of course.
Thus, any claim you make for yourself as being worthy of pronouncing on ‘The Future of Sannyas’ is intrinsically and laughably flawed. In this respect, you’re a walking, talking, pontificating joke, Shantam.
‘CARNIVORE’ is the name of the game data phishers (not only of FBI) like to play.
This evening they had a big Italian-American pizza with English spices served by a Multiversity team.
That´s not the ‘cuisine’ of my taste. Too heavy in the stomach and with bad effects for the heart.
Madhu
A friend of mine, Mr Gino Groppi (formerly Swami Prem Rajan)has this to say about Russell Brand:
“I was taken with him for a while but, after listening to a quite a few interviews I started to get a little tired of his machine gun like delivery and his spivvy second-hand car salesman-like rap. He certainly has a mega gift of the gab and a lot of what he says is right on.
But then there are the anomalies that he lives in $25,000,000 mansion in LA, and stays at the Savoy on a regular basis for £2000 a night So as the voice of the New Age common man, this has to be taken with a pinch of salt. A new Gandhi he is not!!!
I am of course being harsh. He does TALK a lot of sense and he may well do a lot for charity, I do not know. But let us hope he is walking the walk in some way as well as talking the talk very eloquently! I suppose he is just a little too fast-talking for me. It’s maybe a matter of style over substance! , But I am being harsh.”
My response:
Thing is, RB is a totally addictive personality, he seems incapable of doing things by halves, whether it’s drink, drugs, compulsive sex, whatever…Yet this ‘totality’ can serve him very well if/when applied to finding what’s ‘really real’…
That’s why, to paraphrase Teertha’s words to a certain Prem Rajan, ‘he will reach because he is greedy for it’…
I admire his nerve in going so public and confronting the complacent media fools, although given his innate exhibitionist, narcissistic tendencies of personality what else to expect?!
A man got married with a blonde. One day on the bed he started speaking about a brunette.
The wife said, “It seems you were a sannyasin.”
Husband was astonished as he never spoke about his past and was also using his normal name.
He asked her, “How come you got this idea? Somewhere you are right.”
The blonde wife said mischievously, “Swami- ji, I was also once a sannyasin. We were open for the whole world but not the people closest to us.”
Chudo has entered warp factor ten and moved into dimensions beyond the known. So called because nobody wants to know about them.
But – Arpana, also Lokesh, and even Parmartha too, the Moderators in a special way, and many others the few months I try to contribute here:
What is the secret to get hooked by Shantam Prem´s quite often mad and maddening triggers? As an ongoing, spiralling, abusive energy. I couldn´t find out up to now, how come?
But can you answer this?
Madhu
I give a lot of consideration to this.
Lines have to be drawn in the sand.
Least bad of available options.
How come? A laugh. Throw a custard pie at a clown. Lack of something better to do.
It is a mistake to take El Chudo seriously. Madhu, are you really so lacking in a sense of humour that you can’t figure this out for yourself? Chudo is the SN village idiot.
“The catastrophes of existence come as the inevitable culmination of past choices and experiences. Conflict is the essence of existence. Without it, personal life has no meaning.”
Ruth Benedict describing the Faustian course of individual life
When meditation makes cracks in the façade, self-help books about meditation don´t look better than the toilet paper!
El Chudo’s above statement is a perfect illustration of why it is that he has become SN’s beloved village idiot. A coincidence that he mentions toilet paper, taking into consideration the amount of utter shite he talks. He must go through cartons of it wiping the crap off his chubby lips. God bless him. XXX
RB has so little credibility that he could equally be spoofing.
As we entered a phase of MOBOCRACY, Arpana, and that on a very big scale, your quoting of Ruth Benedict, about the Faustian Course of an individual life, has more than anachronism in it –
Madhu
Madhu.
More than a whiff of Christian about you.
Thank you both for (not) answering my question, Arpana, Lokesh too.
So there is not much of a secret also in dumping procedures.
Just somebody is needed, today this person, another day another one, and some habitual -
And as you, Arpana, when changing your profile emblem, are appearing as a multiplex, it will stay a secret which of the identities team-wise embedded in your name, found the projection targeting me with “a Christian whiff”…
As you rightly lecture it to others, projections are hard to change from the outside.
That´s true.
Madhu
Madhu,
I answered your question, but typically, you small-minded, paranoid, arrogant, egotist, you discounted the answer because it wasn’t what you wanted to hear.
“I give a lot of consideration to this.
Lines have to be drawn in the sand.
Least bad of available options.”
Arpana says, Madhu is “small-minded, paranoid, arrogant, egotist”.
Is there some person existing on the Earth, this crying baby does not abuse, judge, insult, humiliate, condemn?
Maybe someone should create an Osho doll to soothe the tempers of such brats.
Shantam.
Madhu also thinks you are a squealing, infantile, jealous, psychotic (with obsessive compulsive disorder) fool.
She just doesn’t aprove of the fact we keep telling you.
No, Arpana, considering ‘interpretations’, it´s Lokesh who comes closer to the truth that I am simply not able to give all the abusive bullshit happening in both directions a hearty laugh.
As far as “village idiots” are concerned, I feel us all included, by the way! Even the only onlookers!
As far as dreaming is concerned, I am incurably dreaming of a more lovable connection – also in the form of a virtual ‘caravansarai’ – and I am haunted by the memory that such is possible and that I know how that feels.
Madhu
Yes,Madhu,
Having absolutely no sense of humour is also indeed a great spiritual quality!
Aging, failed ex-sannyasins who have wasted their lives titillating their genital organs and indulging in intoxicants and laughing at absurd ‘jokes’ instead of meditating yogically should channel their “abusive bullshit” energy into helping Osho`s true vision as embodied by Arun and Mahatma Modi, Zorba the Buddha and saviour of mighty Bharat and her place as great religious superpower of the world!
The aggression of these perverted baboons who have abused the freedom that Osho has given them would be better served in etherically cleansing unclean Muslims, homosexual Christians, alcoholic Anglo-Saxons, bad Buddhists, Jewish women who presume to write books and others who affront and desecrate the holiness of mighty India, home of all true spirituality!
In Osho`s movement, only Arun has the courage to stand shoulder to shoulder with the great Modi and to reject the perverted and hypocritical political correctness of the West, which is nothing but the mind, and declare the sanctity of genocide as per the teachings of Bhagavad Gita!
Arun, we salute you!
Only a great leader such as you will be able to impose his vision on the masses through his willpower!
Hari Om!
Love, Life, Slaughter!
Thy will be well and truly done!
Yes, Yogi, butchers like you are many with their kind of “hari om”‘s, waiting, like you, for the moment to ejaculate their insanities.
Strange SERVER this English associated IT-Server to keep the madhouse going.
Strange Moderators too.
Madhu
MOD: MADHU, WE ASK YOU TO RE-READ THE POST YOU REFER TO HERE, PLEASE…IT MIGHT NOT BE QUITE WHAT YOU THINK IT IS….
‘IT MIGHT NOT BE QUITE WHAT YOU THINK IT IS’
Is anything other than what you think it is?