David Headley sentenced in the US to 35 years: Escapes death sentence and being extradited to India Jan 24th, 2013
CHICAGO: Pakistani-American LeT terrorist David Headley was on Thursday sentenced to 35 years in jail by a US court for helping plot the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks and other terrorist offences including the spying which led to the attack in Pune in 2010. He however escaped the death penalty under a deal with the US government over which the judge had serious reservations. Headley clearly was much preoccupied by extradition to India as the one surviving Pakistani terrorist involved in the Mumbai attack was recently executed in India.
Headley also make surveillance visits to the Pune Ashram and a Bakery near the Resort which many sannyasins used, in 2008/9. Attacks in Pune, including on the Bakery followed in 2010 in which nine people are said to have died, including four westerners, however he is best known for the earlier surveillance work on Mumbai, including spying out the boat landing sites on the Mumbai shoreline for the Pakistani terrorists in their infamous attacks on the city, including the Taj.
“The sentence I impose, I’m hopeful it will keep Mr Headley under lock and key for the rest of his natural life,” US District Judge Harry Leinenweber said.
The Judge said it would have been much easier to impose the death penalty. “That’s what you deserve”.
52-year-old Headley had entered into a plea bargain with the US investigators under which he escaped the death sentence.
But many were left surprised when the US prosecutors did not seek a life sentence for Headley. Headley was ordered to serve 35 years, followed by five years of supervised release by Leinenweber. There is no federal parole and defendants must serve at least 85 percent of their sentence.
“Mr Headley is a terrorist,” the Judge said while imposing the sentence on 12 counts in a packed court.
Leinenweber also said, “He commits crime, cooperates and then gets rewarded for the cooperation.”
“No matter what I do, it is not going to deter terrorists. Unfortunately, terrorists do not care. I do not have any faith in Mr Headley when he says that he is a changed person now.
“I do believe that it is my duty to protect the public from Mr Headley and ensure that he does not get into any further terrorist activities. Recommending 35 years is not a right sentence”.
Asked if he wanted to make a statement, Headley, said, “No your honour”…
In pleading guilty and later testifying for the government at the trial of co-defendant and school time friend Tahawwur Rana, Headley admitted that he attended training camps in Pakistan operated by Lashkar-e-Taiba, on five separate occasions between 2002 and 2005.
In late 2005, Headley received instructions from three members of Lashkar to travel to India to conduct surveillance, which he did five times leading up to the Mumbai attacks in 2008 that killed approximately 166 people, including six Americans, and wounded hundreds more.
A week back, Leinenweber had sentenced Rana for 14 years of imprisonment followed by three years of supervised release for providing material support to LeT and planning a terrorist attack against a Danish newspaper in Copenhagen.
Both Headley and Rana were arrested in 2009. Headley was previously a small-time narcotics dealer turned US Drug Enforcement Agency ( DEA) informer who went rogue.
(Collated from various sources by Sannyasnews reporters)
Sufism is the only hope for Islam. Time has come for Islamists to accept and apologise for all the atrocities done to the haminty on the name of their book. And same is the case with any other such faiths..
‘Arabian night, Our Gods pursue their fight,
What fatal flowers of darkness bloom from seeds of light.’
Blues for Allah. Grateful Dead.
Its too bad he’s a terrorist and not a banker.. he could have easily avoided jail time
DECEMBER 13, 2012
Despite the fact that HSBC admitted to laundering billions of dollars for Colombian and Mexican drug cartels (among others) and violating a host of important banking laws (from the Bank Secrecy Act to the Trading With the Enemy Act), Breuer and his Justice Department elected not to pursue criminal prosecutions of the bank, opting instead for a “record” financial settlement of $1.9 billion, which as one analyst noted is about five weeks of income for the bank.
Though this was not stated explicitly, the government’s rationale in not pursuing criminal prosecutions against the bank was apparently rooted in concerns that putting executives from a “systemically important institution” in jail for drug laundering would threaten the stability of the financial system. The New York Times put it this way:
“Federal and state authorities have chosen not to indict HSBC, the London-based bank, on charges of vast and prolonged money laundering, for fear that criminal prosecution would topple the bank and, in the process, endanger the financial system.”
And not only did they sell out to drug dealers, they sold out cheap. You’ll hear bragging this week by the Obama administration that they wrested a record penalty from HSBC, but it’s a joke. Some of the penalties involved will literally make you laugh out loud. This is from Breuer’s announcement:
“As a result of the government’s investigation, HSBC has . . . “clawed back” deferred compensation bonuses given to some of its most senior U.S. anti-money laundering and compliance officers, and agreed to partially defer bonus compensation for its most senior officials during the five-year period of the deferred prosecution agreement.”
Wow. So the executives who spent a decade laundering billions of dollars will have to partially defer their bonuses during the five-year deferred prosecution agreement? Are you fucking kidding me?
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-20121213#ixzz2JDBUImdh
Interesting post, but hardy surprising. It’s business as usual.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Maybe three wrongs might make a right.
As an Osho related website, the sentencing of Headley becomes news for us, as one of his cronies action took place in Pune too, not far away from Osho´s ashram( People still remember the place as ashram).
Taj Hotel attack in Mumbai, the worst terrorist strike on Indian soil is the main reason for his sentence..
It will not be liked by many ex. sannyasins that the tag Rolls Royce or “American Odyssey went kaput” will not remain associated with Osho for long time; but Pune is inseparable!
“What is the whole idea of Freedom of Speech, without the idea of discomfort?”
The way Indian society is becoming increasingly intolerant and obsessed with political correctness and the way every single sentence spoken by intellectuals pass through the prism of print and TV media; it is interesting to imagine how Osho would have loved to talk with the people in the gallery.
His outspokenness would have given a free fodder to one and all, opponents and admirers both.
Alas..Osho is everywhere..but not here…and being here is what matters..Rest is all the matter of belief!
As Martyn correctly states, Osho did not put Islam in the stocks, although he could have.
Yes, Shantam, Osho was outspoken. Many of his targets were soft ones but not all of them by a long shot. Even back in the day, Osho must have been aware that a verbal attack on Islam would have almost definately provoked a very serious reaction. Believers who are willing to sacrifice their lives in order to kill you for insulting their religious beliefs are a highly dangerous phenomena and Osho was no fool when it came to such matters. It would seem that the world’s politicians are now, for the most part, following his example.
Lokesh says:
>> As Martyn correctly states, Osho did not put Islam in the stocks, although he could have.
In the very early days he was even comparing Mohamed to Jesus … but later on he blamed the muslims for burning the Alexandria library and enforcing their religion with the sword.
Shantam is off again. Bring the soapbox.
Are you suggesting that he needs a good scrub?
Osho hardly ever mentioned the bearded allah nutters, because he quite clearly had nothing to benefit from provoking the repressions of a non-culture which had never sponsored any kind of anti-theocratic or secular revolution or developed humanist and thence psychological language, based on an enquiry into a libido freed from fear.
And which in its monstrous forms had utterly forgotten the indulgent rapturous sensualities of the firdauz gardens which the historical turkic, iranian, and iberian arabs had so clearly thrived in. Such was the antagonistic climate then, during Osho’s life, which further degenerated into the threatening chaotic menace of today.The consequences of which play into more ‘sleights of mouth’ by vested interests. This ‘Society of the Spectacle’, no less, formatively described by our sadly missed Sw.Paritosh,the co-founder of Sannyas News, and the renowned major translator from French into English of the works of the Situationist International,for the revolutionary English counterculture of the 1960′s. A spectacle which still holds true today………..
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or as always here on SN , for this shortened extract above….
prem martyn says:
http://oshopirates.wordpress.com/
or https://www.facebook.com/OSHOPIRATES
Wow, you’ve got all that going! Are you building a Shantam Orchestra? Are you leaving us?
Thanks for the Vartman and Robin duckie. This was on BBC News yesterday …
Should we build new cities at sea?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21180779
OSHO ON SALMAN RUSHDIE
http://www.oshonews.com/2011/07/osho-salman-rushdie-satanic-verses/
For funny comments scroll down in this link
http://dttj.blogspot.in/2010/06/osho-on-islam.html
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I remember one day asking Sw.Tathagat in the early 90′s if Osho spoke about Islam , he said Osho did speak about Islam & they (management team which included tathagat ) had to totally remove any / all of it , as it would cause problems
i just came across this video & wiki :
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Saud
“Truth is above everything..”, not just Saudi king says but all of the leaders and followers.
And then the hell gets loose…
My truth my truth….
May be we should accept the face there is not one truth but many…Multitudes of Truth; few are chosen with intelligence, few are imposed on others with vested interests..
1600 years later – hopefully Mundukya will forgive me:
That realization – thus it self reveal true Kâma (love) permanent not moving, the inners what is bigger than the universe, leads beyond the beyond.
bloody `ell…
its the underpants bomber!
run!!
More like the chuddy brigade.
What Mohamed did was nothing new. He re-created an old moon religion. Before there were sun religions there were moon religions (in the early stages these were matriarchal). Moon religions were far more cruel because they had to deal with a more barbaric earlier man. Sun (son) religions can still be seen as barbaric from today’s viewpoint but it has to be understood that it took a lot of violence to civilise man.
the specific pune mumbai terrorist threat/action to India may have arisen according to some news at the time, in conjunction with its committing to intelligence provision in Afghanistan; the investment in which may have been lateral preparation for the signing of the Pak, Afghan. India Gas Pipeline agreement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline
probably , truth is personal !
Don´t feel bad…Oil wells will get dry soon.
That will be the start of a new era!
You think so
The 2100 century, will be that of the blue gold. Already people pay for one Liter Water 50 times more than from tap in western countries.
There are billions of barrels of oil still left in the ground and it will not run out any time soon. The new era has already begun. You just don’t have the eyes to see it, Shantam.
Many times i wish, liberal west is not so liberal anymore..
If you cannot give freedom, you don´t have the right to have it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270033/Millionaire-businessman-ordered-remove-Islamic-message-luxury-home-council-claims-advertising.html
quite right shantam,
immigrants with fantasies of being”religious” come over to the west,milk the system,live the life of riley,hoover up all the 2 for 1 meat pies from lidl, and then think they can just endlessly publicise their nonsensical `religious` gibberish viewpoints and get away with it…
it`s a disgrace!
Vartan, whether something is new or not is not that important. Was Osho not put down many times, ” There is nothing new what he is saying. Stolen jokes, stolen stories.”
It is the packaging and more over marketing which decides the fate of a product and many times personal refrance. Sword on the neck strategy was working quite well during medivial times.
If don´t believe in packaging and marketing, ask Nestle!
The problem is not that there are many religions, the problem is that people are arrogant,stupid. A really religious person is one, who loves his way towards God, and who loves your way towards God too, howsoever opposite to his it may be.
Osho: Discourse-Trust is your kingdom of God.
Series- I say unto you
shantam prem says:
>> … A really religious person is one, who loves his way towards God, and who loves your way towards God too, howsoever opposite to his it may be.
What’s with all the god-stuff? Have you gone all religious on us? Let’s put it this way, if they are opposite to mine then they are wrong. We might both be wrong, but they are definitely wrong.
According truth they are wrong, yes. But if I see at our world, it depends rather on ones standpoint and interests how he judges this issue of religions. Or maybe using it too agitate against people that they chase each other like dogs.
And I say unto you, Shantam, you are not even talking the talk, let alone walking the walk.
If you don´t want to love my way towards God, it is problem. My way is simple, covert the “Kafirs” with love or coercion!
After reading Osho on a newspaper cutting, someone said with sigh of relief!
I am waiting may be some sympathiser of resort will connect after reading Osho quotation submitted by me.” Now you should not feel antagonism towards Jayesh or Amrito. They are walking their way towards God by making the path clear from the weeds of sentimental Indian fools. Sentiments are barrier to true love, beloved.”
Osho was not a very sentimental man, except when he went into gas-induced rants about his over-glorified golden childhood.
shantam prem says:
>> My way is simple, covert the “Kafirs” with love or coercion!
Good luck with that. Why don’t you become “an Osho fanatic” instead. Come and join the Spiritual Terrorists.
>> you should not feel antagonism towards Jayesh or Amrito.
Headley was a CIA tool. Jayesh was also a CIA tool but of a different section. Pity that the left hand of the CIA never knows what the right hand is doing. Jayesh bring attacked by Headley’s mob in the hotel reminds me of a CIA action a few years back in Afghanistan against some Taliban and after they killed a few, they found them to have Israeli tattoos … they were CIA spies embedded into the Taliban by a another section of the CIA.
I consider Jayesh to be a genius being able to maneuver through Indian and international politics and keep the place open and running.
spiritual terrorists
plotting your ego death…..
the cosa nostra of higher consciousness
making you an offer you can`t refuse…
gangsters of love
hoping you don`t have a very nasty accident….
al quaeda avatars
slippin you a oneway ticket to now here…
bodhisattva banditos
beating the living buddha into you…
yahoo yardies layin a load of enlightment on you,upfront…
hindu hoodlums kicking the karma out of you….
they`re a real cast of characters…
the krays…
the o`byrnes…
papa doc meredith…
joe bananas…
kid klaus…
swami scarface….
godfathers and their gofers…
gurus and their goons…
bonnie silverman and clyde buggsy…
and the mantra meditation mafias` greatest hits…
hey,spiritual gangsters are just workin to make the world a better place..knowwhaddamean?
thought so..
and remember,the boss is always right,even when he`s wrong,he`s right.ok?
Now I know why in the old days everyone was swaning about with their IN SILENCE badges….. they were practicing for OMERTA.
for sure,
and the mind is a tricky thing……
you must have heard the story about roshi “mad dog”dogen,the zen don who beat his disciple benny “the bug” basho to death with his stick just for opening his mouth….
“why did you do that?”asked lucky lu hsuan
“he knew too much”replied mad dog….
Very good.
frank says:
>> and the mantra meditation mafias` greatest hits…
I am actually considering doing research into Killer Mantras … you know … like the one Dheeraj did on The Boss … I can see a market opening up.
VT.
do you remember ramarshi,the constellations therapist,who was on sn some time back who said that amrito`s grandfather was jack the ripper,which he reckoned explained a lot?
he also said that the black magic attack on osho was orchestrated by dheeraj and the tibetan pulsars who were blasting neg energy at osho out thru the roof of the pyramids using a combination of dirty tib magic and manipulation ,singing tibetan mantras and “the mickey mouse march” from the kubrick movie “full metal jacket”
personally,i think ramarshi is genius.
he agreed with me.
but not as a constellations therapist(wrong planet) but as a kind of updated harder-edged post modern ironic lobsang rampa spi-fi writer for the new millenium.
he didnt agree with that,and we fell out.
frank says:
>> blasting neg energy at osho out thru the roof of the pyramids
I don’t know how pyramids came in the picture. Why would anyone want to be inside a grave? Too much left hand tantra … and I don’t think they even know they are doing it … they’ve been omertaeded in their zened absence.
Vartan, here we are not writing Encyclopædia Britannica. It needs only few seconds of careful reading; for example..It is not shantam prem says, but Osho:
… A really religious person is one, who loves his way towards God, and who loves your way towards God too, howsoever opposite to his it may be.
If you want to take him to court for using all that god stuff, feel free!
If he does I advise not to use Shantam as a lawyer. He’d lose the case for sure, because nobody would understand what Shantam is talking about.
Lokesh says:
>> … because nobody would understand what Shantam is talking about.
Is that why I get a feeling that I stepped into the Babel Tower News?
Probably its just Shantam speaking in tungs, especially forked ones.
I think civil wars between religious groups is a thing of past.
Defamation cases will be fought with religious vigour, in this age of Spirituality of individualism.
” Your honour, this man who has spend last 20 years of his life on a double bed with his wife slanders my reputation by saying publically, ” I have not even talking the talk, let alone walking the walk.”
Shantam says, ‘I think civil wars between religious groups is a thing of past.’ Makes me wonder if he’s read a newspaper in the last thirty years or watched film footage from Syria.
The big question is….does Shantam live in a cupboard with air holes? Maybe that’s how come he sees hmself as such a religious person. The electricity has been cut off, due to non-payment of bills, and it is therefore that he is living in the dark.
Considering the shantwhatam-i here for dilemma…
Godness.. that’s the base material plus the delightful atomic beyond itself part…. already is… it is and we are…. if you bounce around making special signs, you’ll only end up with scrambled egg on your face….
sannyas was targeted by the US state machinery,in Oregon, then by diabolic kebab thugs in in predominantly veggy India, they both thought ‘oooooh they, those sannyasins fancy themselveseh’ …. (morbid jealousy from anyone who wants to thump you.. like the skinheads who punched six sannyasins in the face on a london bus , because we made ourselves targets for drunk plebs).
only the australians know how to have a society where no-one aspires to anything because
1)
they are so far removed from everyone else , that the game is far less significant..it’s a breeze or permanent holiday camp.. think sannyas never needing anymore input than what you find on Neigbours , (the tv prog).. nice but probably a bit like shantam…
2) there’s an endemic awareness of lots of space …behind, in front and to the side…
3) ‘You don’t wanna wurry about no awareness mate, i’ve been living with that for years and it hasn’t done me any harm.’
4) ‘ I reckon I had an Idea last week , yeah mate , but it soon passed….you goin’ a bit soft in the head ?… or maybe you’re suffering from poshness… grab a tinny…
The nice thing about living within a whole culture that keeps its self-realization firmly within the size of the next surfer wave.. is that like shantam … you don’t have no wuckin furries…. and can be very neighbourly..
Shantam.. think Australia…. the sun aways shines.. and you won’t have to justify yourself….
Maybe finally get hold of a sheela and tear a scab of a bluey.
Any one who begins his sentence in 21st century with Biblical phrase,….And I say unto you, is a right person to go for psychiatrist treatment for Naricissam and Messiah hallucinations. I also know, few people mostly women feel attracted to such chaps. Any way, there are women who fell for mass murderers too.
This day, 80 years ago one such person got the power in Europe and made himself one of the most talked yet hated figure of our times.
funnily enough,the only person i have ever heard saying the phrase:”i say unto you” without it being a quote or a joke was osho.
Ehm..let me guess…..errrrr…..the Devil?
it is a fact that,in the last 20 years,many more people have died of obesity,globally, than perished in the holocaust..
it dont bother me,tho`..
i`m just going to comb back whats left of me greasy hair and get down to lidl,the packaging is fantastic,and they`ve got some great offers on meat pies,pork bellies and lard going, and i`m well hungry.
yahoo!
god is great!
If you don´t die with obesity or smoking, you die with what?
Ehm….errrrrrrrrrr….cyanide capsule in a molar tooth?
shantam,
i see doctors in germany are looking for human guinea pigs to help in their research to see if it is possible for a human to wank himself to death.
a chance for gainful employment for you,at last?
guys what Osho talks about in the bicykle and hollow tree story?
then he talks about a car and that he drived around the city because he didnt known how to stop
looks like the competition for places on the german medical experiment could be fiercer than first thought…..
Hay anonym, do you have some protesta problem, pissing little here..one drop there.
In case yes, consult frank. He is expert in using cynicism for his hybrid wheel chair!
Shantam says, ‘pissing little here..one drop there.’ Coming from a man who declares ‘I think civil wars between religious groups is a thing of past.’ that is pretty rich, because its absolute bullshit.
Leave Anonym alone. The mentally ill need somewhere to go and SN provides shelter for such people. Shantam, you are not the only one around here who needs psychiatric help.
i dont normally do free consultations but,
psychiatrically speaking,shantam is clearly suffering from GOD in at least 3 of its most virulent forms:
generalised ontological disorder
and
generalised onanistic disorder
and worst of all…. god.
the prognosis?
quite a mess,i would say.
Don’t worry Shantamama will clean it up.
i certainly hope so,but
gibbering oaf disorder
can be pretty unpleasant for the carers,or anyone in the vicinity really…
Think…gasmasks.
Lokesh says:
Think…gasmasks.
You are now turning me on … and I don’t like it.
and in case anyone wants to know why i’ve posted here over the years…
it’s something like this …
I’m not against organized sannyas
I’m not against Osho’s legacy or contribution as himself…
I am against the belief in organized sannyas as redemptive
I am against the projection of value of Osho to anyone but oneself, or someone close to oneself who has then the consequent permission to thump the speaker as necessary.
Language is a very good litmus test of what others can handle, hence the profane obsecnities , which i thoroughly enjoy. Because they too are part of the ludicrousness.
anything more generic than that simpleness is what i grate against…although if anyone has bothered to organize anything collective with me and those like me in mind , then give me a call. Conforming aspirational love Sannyas, in my experience, doesn’t tolerate understanding, preferring deferred postponed higher consciousness as a brochure tag.
Understanding is a little bit closer to our skills and therefore more like DIY and fixing your own engine, plumbing, etc. Higher consciousness requires lots of posturing to be ready for off the shelf purchases.
Now I’m going for that walk.
prem martyn says:
>> Conforming aspirational love Sannyas, in my experience, doesn’t tolerate understanding,
Wow!!??
>> preferring deferred postponed higher consciousness as a brochure tag.
Harsh, but true.
>> Higher consciousness requires lots of posturing to be ready for off the shelf purchases.
That was the old game. The new game is based on information gathered from the collective superconscious. If it’s one thing I cannot stand is posturing as it takes too much effort. One thing for sure, I am going to live longer than all of you. So there. Or here.
Anyone who lives longer should get a permit for pissing themselves without laughing as just cause.
The smell of urine and superconsciousness is definitely up there in the shivambu kalpa dictionary of home remedies .
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c0.0.320.320/p403x403/304990_404599499626629_546872174_n.jpg
sw bv seems you are newly born !
are you depressed?
So many years now on sannyasnews in the company of my fellow writers. If my financial situation improves; which can happen any day, i really wish to visit all of you in your home cities for real hug and a cup of coffee.
Some bond happens through sharing of thoughts and punches too!
shantam prem says:
>> i really wish to visit all of you in your home cities for real hug and a cup of coffee.
Is that a threat? Don’t bother! This time next year you’ll be working for me bitch.
I’ve boarded up the windows and moved to a cave in the Scottish Highlands.
old buoy has done this and done that. he has done nothing. all is experiment and joke of nothingness .. just be witness. old buoy himself comes from nothingness. Even big companies and big scientific experiment fails 100s of time. WaterWorld , Oregon failed than what ??? If some thousand pePOLE dont able to enjoy OSHO and nothingness and ruin their life than what OSHO can do about it ??? In world war mn. of pePOLE killed and ruined. Who knows .. what is play of Nothingness. some thousand pePOLE may got obsessed with OSHO and Oregon and ruined ( not due to OSHO but due to their own thoughts ) but mn. are benefited today. Thats the large play of nothingness !!! It depends on u …how to work with it. OSHO realised as witness , natural state of nothingness. nothing super human about it. There is no need to worship. Just NJOyyyy OSHO. OSHO always loved controversy otherwise how to attract sleepy pePOLE towards nothigness. pePOLE watch TV for controversy and not for any positive news in most cases and most of time.
- Jai OSHO , Jai J , Jai UG , Jai kerala todd Smoochi , Jai eggHeart , Jai tyohar , Jai yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath , Jai Pappu the Papaji.
Luxury Cars and OSHO
There is no big deal in it. Luxury cars also comes from nothingness. why to reject it ??? Accept the whole life. Why master can not live super life …. with multiple babes without any commitment. I see no problem in it. True master will accept whatever nothingness brings upon him. Plus another point is OSHO love to create controversy to spread truth and see…. today how many pePOLE remebers OSHO and how many remebers other master ???? railway station , bus stand , library , air port book stores ….everyWhere OSHO .. young pePOLE get attracted by title ..from sex to super consciousness. There is nothing but ultimately book consist of spirituality at its best. But if u give book name like …here and now or any such name…. will that grab attention of pePOLE ??????
Old people are also attracted to Osho’s book ‘From Sex to Superconsciousness.’ Well, at least the sex part.
Nothingness, have you considered proffesional help, lthium etc?
gandhooLokka is frustrated soul obsessed and jealous of OSHO. What are u afraid of witnessing nothingness ??? yr classmate OSHO , papaji s body died but after realising and witnessing nothigness. Its yr time now. dont waste yr time and energy … its now or never.
- Jai Pappu Papaji , Jai OSHO , Jai UG , Jai J ,Jai Smoochi
Quite a severe case of guru-itis there, nurse, one of the worst I’ve seen for quite some time….
Yes, he needs to lighten up and listen to……
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nothingness:
…with multiple babes without any commitment. I see no problem in it. True master will accept whatever nothingness brings upon him.”
SD:
So Hugh Hefner was on the right lines then?
even before failure of Oregon , notorious enlightened boy OSHO known about it that its going to be fail and there is no other option. OSHO was not fool that he can not know about this. he was super smart. World loves controversy. So OSHO has created fullFledged controversy with freaks and spread TRUTH for centuries to come and for MNs of pePOLE. OSHO has made spirituality very lively , funny , enjoyable , entertainment and interesting with melodious music , silence , love , witness and nothingness. Today MNs of pePOLE are reading and listening to OSHO and started to create their own free mind without conditioning of society , politics , guru banana s etc. Some starts worship and some go for therapy is natural side effects. But nothingness has done tremendous work through , funny ..notorious and melodious instrument OSHO. Everyone who deeply read and listen to OSHO and many other masters and apply their own mind dont even care about Oregon. why ???? have u ever …. doubt over yr doubt ??? how u easily surrender to doubt and say ya ya …there is something wrong in that master ….LOL!!! From where doubt comes ??? Nothingness ..done such a tremendous work through OSHO that now a days most of pePOLE truly loves OSHO and not worship OSHO. but here all are obsessed with OSHO.
-Jai Mooji (LIVE) , Jai Eckhart (LIVE) , Jai Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath (LIVE) , Jai Tyohar (LIVE)
For our nobel laureate writer here, who has triumphed in the blog equivalent of Ascot, The St Leger, and the Derby, with the riderless gelding,Nothingness … all the bets are off as the riders are forced back into the stalls.
According to grass regulations, when the going is soft underfoot, no horse is permitted to compete without a rider as this will cause havoc in the final furlong.
With people claiming no-one has won anything, or someone has won nothing, punters will then be unable to prove they had anything on nothing in their winning ticket.
Now back to the hats… and this year the Birminghamstan ladies are looking very lovely in their one piece bin bags, playing sack races in the enclosure. Their owner , Mustapha-Bin Bin Liner, has surprised punters with the Royal proclamation this year that everyone in the caliphate should wear a table lamp to go with their wearing of their sumptuous bedsheet and pillow case sets in the far flung kingdom, for evening use.
Some members of the White Robe Swanhood were said to be considering their options as they already wear their lights on the inside.
A reporter claimed no one in a bed sheet was any the wiser, after today’s one horse race meeting.
Sounds absolutely fabulosa.
While Gandhoo criticizes Prem Martyns “Forms”, he preserves Prem’s cornerstones of the ontological implications for self-determination: ethical reasoning, the soul’s pinnacle in the hierarchy of nature, the order of the cosmos, and an assumption with reasoned arguments for a prime mover. Gandhoo imports Prem’s high esteem of individual sovereignty to his considerations of moral and noumenal freedom, as well as to God. All three find common ground on the unique position of humans in the scheme of things, known by the discussed categorical differences from animals and inanimate objects.
Nothingness, is there a long history of multi-personality disorder running in your family?
Lokesh says:
Nothingness, is there a long history of multi-personality disorder running in your family?
He hasn’t got a family, he was dug up.
In a garbage dump?
In the crystallization of our vaporous self into something just as vaporous, which cannot be wiped away with a wet wipe, time is everything in the considerations of prioritized noumenal notions.
One should neither be too carefree , nor careless in letting time run away with itself, for at the end of every day an account of that which is spent idly, is deposited in the time bank of self. Many have sought to fulfil this daily dilemma with dithering, or by denoting dimensions beyond the duality. Time however was never intended to be spent or wasted this way. In fact by not using the time allotted to oneself with appropriate meaning , discretion , or purpose time tends to be dissipated. Thus leaving the spending of it in a permanent deficient deficit. If time is unused in this way it tends to collect., or store up.
In fact atomic scientists have understood this to be the case, as how otherwise would there be inordinate amounts of time in abundance left in the universe? Clearly then , the time which we or one ‘wastes’ is thus collected or accumulated in huge amounts,and left to be used in a repository of further endeavour for the purposes of either
A) the making of cheap items in a pound shop factory by exploited workers in China who experience time as endless stultifying repetition ,
or B) as infinite waves of pleasing consciousness after having a brewed a decent cuppa.
Sometimes a third possibility arises of actually recovering the time that’s been unused for repackaging in sleep when one no longer is aware of the time and has to get up in a hurry. This third option would be ideal , in preventing that lamentable melancholic affliction of humanity, in looking back over time and wishing things had been different. I therefore recommend that instead of worrying about wasting time one should enter mild trance induced sleep, say 40 winks, where an hour can seem like five minutes to resolve any outstanding limitations or understanding that there is in fact always plenty of time ……in fact one has been here since the beginning of it, as in the words of the Monty Python song .. ‘ you’ve come from nothing and you go back to nothing so what are you worried about …’ nothing ….’
I have also have a song here which explains all of this and can be used for waxing lyrical, especially if you like the tune…
and can be found on my home page of oshopirates.wordpress.com together with other goodies for your delectation.
as they say its now time to ….
enjoy…
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Atharva – Veda
Prayer to Kâla (time), personified as a primordial power.
1. Time, the steed, runs with seven reins (rays), thousand-eyed, ageless, rich in seed. The seers, thinking holy thoughts, mount him, all the beings (worlds) are his wheels.
2. With seven wheels does this Time ride, seven naves has he, immortality is his axle. He carries hither all these beings (worlds). Time, the first god, now hastens onward.
3. A full jar has been placed upon Time; him, verily, we see existing in many forms. He carries away all these beings (worlds); they call him Time in the highest heaven.
4. He surely did bring hither all the beings (worlds), he surely did encompass all the beings (worlds). Being their father, he became their son; there is, verily, no other force, higher than he.
5. Time begot yonder heaven, Time also (begot) these earths. That which was, and that which shall be, urged forth by Time, spreads out.
6. Time created the earth, in Time the sun burns. In Time are all beings, in Time the eye looks abroad.
7. In Time mind is fixed, in Time breath (is fixed), in Time names (are fixed); when Time has arrived all these creatures rejoice.
8. In Time tapas (creative fervour) is fixed; in Time the highest (being is fixed); in Time brahma (spiritual exaltation) is fixed; Time is the lord of everything, he was the father of Pragâpati.
9. By him this (universe) was urged forth, by him it was begotten, and upon him this (universe) was founded. Time, truly, having become the brahma (spiritual exaltation), supports Parameshthin (the highest lord).
10. Time created the creatures (pragâh), and Time in the beginning (created) the lord of creatures (Prâgapati); the self-existing Kasyapa and the tapas (creative fervour) from Time were born.
pm, in the last thread you spook about “CERN”. Good to kept in Mind, guess a very interesting and dangerous invention. If we like too transport something in the past perhaps as help for evolution or perhaps other interests, it must not be very big. A very tiny piece will do… placed in existence and past material. Past material, because for me “Time” according the Atharva is the repository where past and future happens.
Realizing “Time” qua a container… being that eternal Moment of “Time”, watching plain as “Time” it self sight?
Time is very flexible. Some people have it on their hands, others have too much of it, while others believe it to be running out. Some wonder where it goes. Others think that the time their clock seems to capture is just the motion of its hands. Some believe that time does not exist. Some have it and some don’t. Some say that time waits for no man.
One thing is for sure, the terrorist who was sentenced to 35 years in a federal penitentiary for his crimes will have plenty of time to think about it.
Time is what keeps everything from happening at once. (joke)
There’s a 2011 film with Justin Timberlake called ‘In Time’ which is probably one of the best ‘time is money’ SciFi flicks ever. If only we knew how true it is …
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Time is love. We like to spend our time in this earth with the people and things we love. So if you are spending your time on this forum and you are not in love with Osho and his people you ARE actually wasting your life.
SuFi, echart, nobody, annonym, nothingness..
All these words are synnonyme of Cockriach in the sannyasnews dictinoary.!
New CULT in southAfrica ( desteni ) … lot of brainwash .. good for shantamPapam
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( Extremely funny video )
The joy of life consists in the exercise of one’s energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal.
― Aleister Crowley :
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( Extremely funny video )
nothingness says:
The joy of life consists in the exercise of one’s energies, continual growth …
Growth is a game of the ego. And and an empty mind is the devil’s playground … that Desteni mob sound scary. Kindergarden scientology. I was just looking at their website, they have a FEARWEEEEEEEEEEEEK! That chick in the videos looks hot. She seems to be working on her Charles Manson devotee look …
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/abraxas/x1_zps4d09c20c.jpg
I disagree, Vartan, growth is about maturing through life experience, including having to overcome obstacles, difficulties, also through awareness, self-reflection, a characteristic that separates humans from other species. To denigrate the life process, perhaps rather smugly labelling it as only “ego” is not particularly helpful – not to most of us anyway, I suspect, certainly not to me.
Yes, one can be ‘awakened’ any time, I suppose (theoretically) but then you still have to integrate that into your life, apparently. And I hear that the greater the realisation the greater the challenges Life will bring, to test just how valid it is.
IE No Rest for the Wicked – or, in a way, the Realised. (Bad Luck, eh?!).
( Extremely funny video ) I don’t find this young woman funny at all. She is simply misguided. I first checked her out some years ago. Like you, she is lost, which is probably why you can relate to her.
nothingness never lost and thats why u r reading and clicking video. She is gandhooLokkas wife. I will give u some treatment and u will remember everything. Dont tug yr tail and run into jungle.
The way you’re employing the spiritual concept of so-called ‘Nothingness’ to serve your own self-serving, egotistical purposes is more than just laughable, the manipulative lack of integrity displayed is more than enough evidence that you, sir, are suffering from a very severe case of ‘something-ness’.
There’s a whole lotta self in you that could do with a bloody good pruning.
There you go – spoken from the heart of Nothing…
Now go and type some more drivel.
funny how all these sufi/egghead/nothingness type guys always throw in old georgie gurdjieff sayings.
its like they try to identify with the G`s “tough enlightened guy who`s in total control” image as a compensation for being little wimps who probably work in their dad`s shop and take it up the ass from the priest at the mosque/temple every weekend.
and their idea of rebelling is secretly jacking off to an egghead tool video in their room and fantasising about being gurdjieff whilst pretending to do their homework and waiting for mama to bring some biscuits and clean chuddies..
they could try and grow a backbone,move on from their autosexual fantasies of “enlightenment” and get a life.but i doubt they ever will.
egghead has probably never even spent the night with a woman,which would account for his impotent rage.
sad,really.
“A man can only attain knowledge with the help of those who possess it. This must be understood from the very beginning. One must learn from him who knows.” – Gurdjieff ….. nothingness never lost. surrender to nothingness …
One stipulation Georgie had for the folks who wanted to join The Work was that they had to have at least reached the level of ‘Good Householder’. I suspect that schizo Nothngness is some loser who signs on at the dole and lives in his parent’s council house in some Birmingham housing estate. Therefore Nothingness would not have even got a smelly baseball boot inside the door as far as Georgie was concerned. Sad case. Not sure what his obsession with SN is. Just another lost soul looking for some company perhaps. Some people will go to extraordinary lengths to draw attention to themselves and Nothingness is the perfect example.
this website is maintained for the oppressed members of the silent minority who have suffered the agonizing inquisition of being asked who they are…. some have not fully recovered from this terrible treatment at the hands of sadistic manipulative cushion sitting and endless hours of interrogation on comfy cushions with a crystal in the middle of the room and a special cushion reserved for the ‘black rober’…. or worse actually having to listen to someone drone on and on about how they were feeling after they saw something about how they were feeling when they really got that they were seeing something about their zzzzzzzzzz…….
the world should know that these places exist and are maintained by those who even look like Klingons without make up…… (that guy even has followers who haven’t yet noticed the thread which operates his arms)…
Lokesh says:
One stipulation Georgie had for the folks who wanted to join The Work was that they had to have at least reached the level of ‘Good Householder’ …
You’ve mentioned this a couple of times now so it obviously is important to you, but of no consequence to me and for your information Osho was an atrocious householder. In anthropometrics, as long as you have what you need, that’s it.
I’m not sure that Osho was such a poor “householder”, as he was a brilliant Philosophy student who later became a university professor, ie earning a living in a prestigious career. Plus all that followed…
He was, of course, most unusual, in that his (what might be termed) ‘essential ignorance’ apparently dissolved very early in life, at age 21, so in a way he’s not an example either way!
But I’d put basic psychological health, relative stability as a pre-requisite, rather than or as well as ‘economic maturity’ (which is my understanding of the term “good householder”). In other words, ‘getting your life right’, inside and out, as Barry Long used to say. Especially perhaps for westerners, although there are always going to be exceptions.
I guess “good householder” status implied that for Gurdjieff, but times change and how many of the ‘first generation’ sannyasins would have qualified under such a criterion? Very few who came in the early years.
‘Good Householder’ in this case basically means that you are self sufficent and able to make your way in the world. Osho had a beautiful house and it was very well run. Hi economic problems would have amounted to your average Joe’s wildest dreams.
I know nothing of Bodhis situation in relation to the world. Fine by me as is none of my business.
gurdjieff didnt like theosophists and their ilk too,and made it clear he didnt want them around either.
asked about psycho-analysts,he curved the fingers of his hand,and with the forefinger and the thumb touching,he gestured up and down vigourously with his wrist(true story).
like all egoless enlightened guys he was wonderfully and unashamedly opinionated….
this slaphead thought women shouldnt cut their hair because of losing “cosmic energy”.
(and did you hear his opinions on women drivers?)
he was totally dismissive of those whom he did not agree,called them idiots,and then lit up another fag and took another shot of finest armagnac.
good for him.
yet the householder/renunciate duality is a bit passe and trad hindu,i would say.
osho blew that one out of the water by starting an enlightenment cult that was for the most part too young(and crazy?) to be `householders`.
the threat of global annihilation and the acid dream demanded measures way beyond ol` georgie`s macho boys` club cigs and alcohol vision……..
re.osho`s credentials.
being a teacher and philosopher and guru of tremendous power in india was like being henry ford/howard hughes in the US!
he was never going to be a big issue seller!
frank says:
>> being a teacher and philosopher and guru of tremendous power in india was like being henry ford/howard hughes in the US!
Absolutely. Much of his behaviour in the US was cryptic posturing for eyes back home. 93 Rolls Royces? Chariots of the gods mate!
frank says:
>> gurdjieff didnt like theosophists and their ilk too …
Most ‘masters’ tend to run all other ‘masters’ down. It’s in the nature of the game. If you are selling a brand of something then all other brands automatically become inferior.
VT. a bit of darwinian,isn`t it?
survival of the most enlightened?
it certainly works as far as that time-honoured evolutionary activity…pulling the birds… is concerned….
gurdjieff was a short-arsed,follically-challenged second-hand carpet salesman who must`ve stunk like a distillery most of the time, and kissing him must have been like snogging an ashtray,but the women were queuing up at his door….
and look at barry long…
george clooney he wasnt..
and he had all the charm of a rutting gorilla ,but he still managed quite a hareem…
oshos boast about `no one has loved more women etc”…thats gorilla-speak too.
and look at egghead tool.
couldnt even get a date for the whole of his life.
then he becomes a bigtime guru…and hey presto!now he`s got a slinky oriental bird 20 years younger than him following him around like a dog….
its not rocket surgery…
don`t doubt enlightment…it is real
and it works.no question.
J’ai Pappaji
Tu as Mooji
Il a Gandhooji
Nous avons Osho
Vous avez Krishnamurti
Ils ont les tosseurs
Me neither friend of drunkard Gurdjieff nor of Heroin Crowley, in my eyes both betray truth, pretend knowing truth but quite narcissist so called spiritual Archetype creators, as I see them. Good for keep people running in circles.
Interesting would be who is aloud to write? How it would be with a list of people and the clinical allowed Mindfuck. Is only the common rationality accepted? For keeping the worlds stupidity running, even here; still only accepting violence as true authorities, in favor of Darwin, stuck in confusion? How we make our self a spiritual pawn good not for “worship” but for the “work – ship”.
Preetam, I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you actually think like that? You are raping the language.
Nope… can’t get head or tail of that one Preetam… I used google translate on it and all I got was a page with ‘software malfunction, pull the other one’… the screen then froze and ‘sannyas news welcomes all masons’.
What could that possibly mean… and I don’t teach english over the internet but thanks for asking.
preetam.
there`s nothing wrong with a bit of violence.
darwinian or whatever.
this morning i watched two robins battling for territory in the garden.vicious it was.
i like to hear them sing,too.
do you want one without the other?
the song without the fight?
how you gonna do it?
with archetypal mindfucks about “the truth”?
hey,flakey guy,get in touch with you own inner rhesus monkey….
Frank, don’t you see a song, without fight?
For me, the strange that those people whom keep people fighting for what ever goals, never have their hands dirty. Even more off never had a really good fight themselves. Perhaps respect and humbleness for others would have come up – knowing its better without fight, because it hurts all.
But yes, fanaticism and believe make people even not feel pain. All is especially prepared for the cannon fodder through 33º heating of smelly royals and their religious leaders.
You seem a few centuries out-of-date, Preetam. “Smelly royals” wielding such power? Where, exactly?
By institutions such as NATO, UNO or Amnesty International. Run / ruled by sick degenerated freaks and Ideas brought into our world at Meetings like Versailles or Bilderberger through their worldly political sub worker as port between the two worlds. Always on the road in matter of arms deal and warmongering.
Those people are the world’s terrorists.
If you’re claiming “smelly royals” are behind it all then I’d like to see the evidence, Preetam, please.
And I don’t see how Amnesty are part of the problem either.
Organizations using mans ploughshare amulet against man him self are false.
For further more questions please ask, Shell, BP or perhaps the Royal Bank of Scotland.
“Man’s ploughshare amulet”?
Sorry, Preetam, this firmly consigns you to the ranks of nutters.
SD, why bother? The man is obviously damaged goods. Not quite as warped as Nothingness, but well on his way to being so.
bloody hell….
bring back shantam!
compared to this bunch of banana brained members of densa,
he sounds like leonardo davinci,einstein and wittgenstein rolled into one!
Preetam says:
>> By institutions such as NATO, UNO or Amnesty International……….
>> Those people are the world’s terrorists.
Now I know what you are talking about but there is absolutely nothing we can do about any of that, so what is the point of even mentioning it? Stop filling yourself with paranoid rubbish and try concentrating on what you do within your sphere of influence.
VT.I told osho the same thing .. but would he listen….would he my sweet fanny adams… on and on about gandhi this reagan that….I reckon the masons did it.. along with the voodoo in them last discourses….abracad… woops….
Very easy, as long the “The Magnificent Seven” ride – spreading their poison… why I should be quite? Just because of few souls whom do not know where it is hidden?
I said already… To me, Love each has enough him self, but what we allowing coming into Material, is our responsibility.
Preetam says:
>> .. but what we allowing coming into Material, is our responsibility.
I am going to hold you to that.
The different can illustrate a Cat… she does not realizes her self in the mirror, but we do.
Wow! Deep.
Is that all together terrorism against mankind?
Tesla’s free Energy destroyed by JP Morgan and Thomas Edison, both are…
A 1, 5 h Movie about Tesla and free energy:
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Oh yes padded cell (gummi zelle), no thing of importance, except truth. Fall down and sleep, but with Net connection for writing on SN, all inclusive with veg. food.
My opinion about, not good read, if arundhatî is unliked. Just kidding, it’s a spiritual conflict between cunning idiots and innocent lovers.
As Future is kept by the same hand, I have a bad feeling about how those few will run earth’s project. Not the unwilling Humanity, just this bunch of freaks whom try to put lipstick on a pig’s mouth.
This type will continue if we allowing them to control this planet, for the Future…
Tesla’s invention for sure isn’t lost, I bet somewhere in a 33º drawer it will wait. Perhaps if Humanity found peace between… a few idiots created with Tesla’s technologies a kind of Alien Spacecraft. Than soon it will be propagate something like Alien menace for Humanity. Something likes genetic artificial created creatures; in the stupid Movie “Starship Trooper”, shown already. From that moment for hundreds of years their will be nothing new.
It’s the same issue, muzzling Osho, false religions; electricity or climate lies. We are juicier world, happier without 33º cunts. Anyway I am the only 331/3º cunt at the Moment, so they should anyway better surrender, love
Osho would say: “Havishkrit, come! Havishkrit, come! Havishkrit, come!”
Yes, Preetam, the nurse forgot your meds tonight. We know.
Are you perhaps Shantam’s inbred brother. Definitely something unsavourey going on there.
Seems like sannyasnews has become the shelter to nothingness and everything the way mainland Europe has become home to pick pocketrs from East Europe and Balkan….
Few seekers don´t need heart surgery but Butt plug!
Just for the Indian soul.
Atharva Veda IV, 16.
Praise of the virtues of amulet of khadira-wood in the shape of a ploughshare.
1. The head of the hostile rival, of the enemy that bates me, do I cut off with might.
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35. This fire-wood that has been laid on together with the oblations do thou, Agni, gladly accept: may we in this kindled Gâtavedas (fire), through (this) charm, find favour, well-being, offspring, sight, and cattle!
How that Ploughshare look like, find out… it’s amazing. Easy it’s hidden behind laurel, symbol of strength and might, a guide given by our self. They steal it (as they steal the Ashram), using for their own benefit, now by institutions like NATO and UNO, even on almost every Military Hat. But not for mans welfare just for keeping him down.
Preferably far away truth, lost, lonely and separated of him self. This strategy seems next to crucifying the best and useful, dividing folk, harm as we see all along History the same handwriting with the same henchman doing the dirty work.
I think you’ve made your point – endless times – Preetam.
If you’re right, isn’t the question for you: What will I do about this state of affairs?
So far, the answer appears to be ‘Complain!’.
the solution is….
a ploughman`s lunch.
…out to lunch,anyway…….
About whom you want to speak, if this theme goes around terrorism and plots. Sorry SD what confusion you like to hear, humanity is guilty?
Preetam, your droning on and on and on about the same old things is simply utterly boring.
You use practically every single topic for the same purpose: How Terrible, How Dreadful, How Wicked is the World of Man!
Do you imagine people here don’t already realise this? And are doing their best, in their own ways, to overcome ‘the world’ that’s been put into us?
I doubt if anyone here enjoys what amounts to propaganda, whatever cause it’s supposed to serve. So unfortunately, you’re wasting your time and energy.
Butt plugs….now your talking, Shantam……..triple ripple, jumbo XXXL.
Right, and don’t say something wrong now
“Why i should walk my walk. I read few of the best leftist books and this is my walk…”
Preetam & Co.
(Retailers of bookish junk at No price)
Preetam, Shantam, and Nothingness. Huey, Dewey, and Louie.
Vartan, do you know whom Crowley called his guinea pig or his magic child?
Preetam says:
Vartan, do you know whom Crowley called his guinea pig or his magic child?
White Stains?
No, not “White Stains”, the first letters are: A.H… but I don’t want to be blamed again for disturbing “meditative” freedom.
But I just came across this one: In 1900 Crowley traveled to Mexico where he was initiated as a 33° Mason. Mexico is till today govern through Masons, even US is pure Mason. I don’t know if you know what it means… to me a not trustable person.
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Aleister_Crowley
How can something be more obvious. Look at the architecture and the symbols… that is the dead face what rules our world as it is right now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rite#Degree_Structure_in_the_United_States_and_Canada
This Link proofs how Masonic connection into Politics, creating Masonic societies, as example the USA. http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry05.html#usa
If you know their goals and order, it’s more than clear what is happening on our Planet Earth… not the whole unwilling Humanity, just a few idiots… much more idiotic as you think me.
So what are YOU, Preetam, going to do about it?
It’s not about doing, it is of overcoming by understanding this whole bunch of shit.
I think you’re completely wasting your time, Preetam. Especially if you’re fixated on all this ‘Masonic conspiracy’ nonsense. It’s just ‘the world’ of ignorance – concerned with power, wealth etc. – that has always existed and probably always will. And yes, it might even kill us all in the not too distant future.
The irony is that this rotten world has really got its teeth into you by diverting you, presumably a ‘seeker of Truth’, from your primary purpose.
Wouldn’t you be better off putting your energy into overcoming what rubbish this world has put into you, before your time’s up?
How can you say nonsens, you don’t know what you are speaking about, sorry SD.
Preetam, making it into something of unparalleled significance, which you do, is utter nonsense.
You want to ‘save the world’, do you? You’re an impractical fool.
How long have you been posting such views here, Preetam? Has anyone shown even remote interest?
Anything to learn from that?!
That why I am here writing, hope of help from friends perhaps, because I am not enough sharp. It needs more than one person, right… here we are in Rajneshpuram again and all what happend there.
Preetam, there are a number of interest groups with agendas and a hand at the helm … and the last thing you want is to come under their scrutiny. We know how cointelpro works but we don’t care because our path is the path of love.
It’s weak Vartan… sure not to overcome with more violence only with understanding and togeterness. That for your Love is of use, respectand inspiration.
preetam,
i have just recieved some info from some agents of mine who have been infiltrating the masons and getting some very useful info.
you are of course absolutely right about the masons 33degree and all the rest of it.
trouble is ,friend,they are onto you….
they know all about you….
they have read everything you have written on this board…
they are watching you right now thru your own webcam…
they have even have cctv installed in your toilet
and that funny noise you`ve been hearing in your ear recently? it`s a drone that has been circling your house for weeks…
and they know that what you are saying is the truth and if people come to recognise the truth of what you are saying,their power structure will collapse.
we`re talking smelly kings of england,bildeburgers,rosicricians and adolf crowley here–the whole 33 degrees…
they are on to you,man.
they are planning to rub you out sooner rather than later.
my advice to you is get the hell out of here.
one more post on sannyasnews and they could trace it straight away and send a heat-seeking guided missile aimed by a brainwashed 33 degree masonic zombie straight into your living room while you`re online and –pooof!!—no more preetam.
that mustnt happen or people may never hear the truth.
run man!save youreself and the truth and never come back here!
for the sake of yourself and the planet,you must never post here again…
i know its a sacrifice but its the only hope for the consciousness of the planet…….
love
Yes, and than I am hanging on a cross somewhere in nowhere and ask Osho, why don’t you saved me, cute.
no one can save you.
i`ve just heard that the masons have been tampering with your water supply too….
its chocca full of with thallium,valium,mercury and lizard`s piss…
scientists estimate that approx 89% of your brain has already rotted away and disintegrated and is already completely useless….
dont be a hero,man!
get out of here!!
I suspect we’ve heard the last from Mr Nothingness.
Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust,
Nothingness to the Dustbin….
you basterds …. fuckers … why r u not posting my messages. where is yr so called unbiased criteria ???? all are foolish scrambled eggheads.
I guess it’s all down to the unfathomable, ineffable wonders of sheer, unadulterated Nothing, isn’t it?
And perhaps you should also consider the ground rules here re personal abuse.
Plus realise that others have the deciding power here re relevance etc. of posts, not you.
Nice little worldly lesson for you – Something for Nothing!
And here we have it, ladies and gents, straight from Nothingness Itself…
A most unhappy lament…
“you basterds …. fuckers … why r u not posting my messages. where is yr so called unbiased criteria ????”
Poor chap. Still, I guess there’s plenty of room in Nothing for victims of shocking injustice….
Don’t worry you can’t keep a good nutter down. Nothingness wll return as somethingness in one warped form or another.
Shantam does have a point in relation to commenters showing their identities. Lunatics like Notingness just love to have a dumb personna to hide behind from where they can take pot shots with their sawn-off verbal shotgun, even if they don’t realize they are firing blanks and their comments are ineffective and a million miles off target. People like Nothingness simply need attention. End of story. Ignore them and they will eventually wander off in search of more fertile ground.
All the lonely people where do they all come from?
Osho on the podium and taking thousands of people around HIM into unknown territories of their interior, i feel this is one of the few strongest impressions may go with me in case of death.
I don’t think earthly beings have ever witnessed such gatherings(1988-Jan2000) where master makes His people laugh on “dirty jokes”, instruct them into Gibberish and then silence…
All these moments are recorded. Videos can be watched any where, but that sharing the experience with thousand others…i think this is the only reason, Osho resort charges thousand plus rupees per day, For the “Orgy of meditation”.
ah,the old 88-2000 rap….
but its just a memory now, is it not, shantam?
if that moment in the past remains the highest point of your life for ever,it means you`re set on a solidly downhill path until in case of death,doesnt it?
its gone.
watching a video of it will no more bring it back….
to use some shantam-esque metaphor……
than watching an old home-made porn vid in winter will bring back the jelly-roll with the multiply divorced kate winslet lookalikes with the breasts like the ripe mangoes in mango season!
and to quote one of your legendary utterances…
“anyone who has watched a bit of porn can understand”
and i doubt visitors to the resort pay that money to watch videos of osh talkin dirty…
they are looking to get at least the whiff of some real-time action,surely?
btw.”orgy of meditation”?
definitely.
OM !!
shantam prem says:
…i think this is the only reason, Osho resort charges thousand plus rupees per day, For the “Orgy of meditation”.
Are you still going on about the resort? Have a chat with Preetam … it’s probably the masons sticking their lizards where they don’t belong …
Reminds me of an Eagles line..’Watching the rewinds of their dreams’.
Bit tragic if you think about it. Out to pasture, the best days have all been lived. How utterly uninspiring and really the anti-thesis of what Osho preached….living in and for the present.
Didn’t BBC run some crap programme called All Our Yesterday? All the old farts loved it.
Don’t joke, as soon as alzheimers kicks in, we are not going to be remembering any of that shit. How did it go? If you remember the ranch, you weren’t there.
That was the Sixties. I don’t really see that saying applying to the ranch. More like ‘If you ‘forgot’ the ranch, you weren’t there.’
A good analogy wrongly applied.
The biggest event after my return from the illusion of Sannyas was; ” I got the job at the front reception of an old people’s home. I have a good view of Thames river!
(Frank confession of a Britisher, now in retirement)
illusions ,the river thames,sannyas…
mmm..
that reminds me of one of my favourite osho Q and As.
someone asked him
“what is samsara?”
he replied (from memory):
there was an old homeless guy,penniless,dirty,completely down and out, sleeping on a bench close to the river thames down on the embankment.
suddenly,a huge rolls royce pulled up.
the door opened,and as the tramp rubbed his eyes,he saw a beautiful young woman dressed in expensive finery beckoning him to join her in the back seat.he stood up,tightened the string that was holding his trousers up,threw his empty bottle of meths in to the river and staggered over and joined her in the vehicle.
the chauffeur drove them to her townhouse in mayfair,where the butler attended to the hobo`s every need.
scrubbed clean and smelling like a rose after a long bath in the gold plated bathroom, the manservant dressed him from top to toe in silk clothes .
hardly able to believe his luck,the tramp then joined the beautiful woman in the dining room where,for hours. they ate the finest foods and drank the best wines whilst being entertained by acrobats,comedians and musicians of the highest order…
after coffee,the lady invited the man to her room,and sailed up the enormous staircase like an sexy angel ascending to a tantric heaven…
when he arrived in her room,she was sprawled out over a huge four-poster bed ,her breasts,firm like ripe mangoes in the mango season, heaved wildly beneath the skimpiest of negligees….
“why don`t you join me?”she purred.
unable to resist, he sat on the bed..
“come closer…”murmured the siren…
the hobo edged across the bed…
” a little closer still..”
her voice now just a breathy whisper…
he could feel the sweet smell of her breath on his face.
he rolled over to take her in his arms…
and fell into the thames.
Pretty good.
Shantam calls his neighbor and says, “Please come over here and help me. I have a killer jigsaw puzzle, and I can’t figure out how to get started.”
His neighbor asks, “What is it supposed to be when it’s finished?”
Shantam says, “According to the picture on the box, it’s a rooster.”
His neighbor decides to go over and help with the puzzle.
Shantam lets him in and shows him where he has the puzzle spread all over the table.
He studies the pieces for a moment, then looks at the box, then turns to Shantam and says,
“First of all, no matter what we do, we’re not going to
be able to assemble these pieces into anything resembling a rooster.”
He takes Shantam’s hand and says, “Secondly, I want you to relax. Let’s have a nice cup of tea, and then,” he said with a deep sigh …………
“Let’s put all the Corn Flakes back in the box.”
yes,i heard the nurses laughing at that one,too.
i`m going to ask them to explain it to me when they come to change my incontinence pants and give me my meds.
is it something to do with being flakey?
still,i`ve got a lovely view of the thames.
I suspect Shantam is writing from a locked room in one of Sheela’s care homes. The same place Preetam is writing from except his room is padded. They are not flakey just plain nuts.
i have heard that when shantam first arrived in germany,he would wander around all day,transfixed by all the mind boggling technology he had never witnessed before
after a few days,he spied a situation that really piqued his interest.
a well-dressed man would approach a type of coin-operated machine that shantam had not come across before.the man appeared to fumble with his flies,then press his pelvis tight against the machine,before inserting a couple of d marks..
the machine then shook and rattled for a while,and when it stopped ,the gentleman would,with an extremely contented loook on his face,pull away fro the machine,fasten his flies then walk away whistling.
amazed by the way these shameless westerners carried on in broad daylight,shantam stood and watched as customer after customer used the machine,all walking away fastening their flies with a smile and a whistle.
unable to control himself any longer,shantam rushed up to the machine, pulled his dick out of his trousers and stuck it in the machine and hurriedly inserted a couple of deutschmarks
!aaaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!!
he had never felt such pain in his life….
shantam pulled his dick away from the machine and to his horror…there was a fly-button sewn on the end of it.
They haven’t installed those machines yet in Spain, being a bit of a backward country. When the day comes that they do there will be hell to pay.
Very funny.