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sannyasnews posted an update 12 years, 3 months ago
This is the script of Martin’s original article re veggieism. It has been edited for the home page.
The Art of Self -Pleasuring : from Meditation to Mastication…
Following last years pre-Olympic rehearsals, known to the world as the London Rioters 500 metre Dash, the editors of Sunpat news have decided to support the campaign for a more eco aware people-invested ’Green London’
In a pilot project that will be rolled out every week on Sunshine News, the editors have gracefully agreed to support new employment initiatives from their erstwhile contributors by inviting selected guests to wax lyrical on new ’ Green Eco Friendly Thinking’ by recycling….recycling old material , including old jokes and any other second-hand opinions here on the front page.This week our invited guest will be speaking about his vision for an wholistic journey answering the question ’Can Advaeaters be Carnivores? The following is taken from the Radio interview that can be downloaded from the website : Armchairseekers of the World.com
Hello Listeners,
What regular function do we do up to three times a day that regularly brings tears to the eyes….you know that oozing feeling of self pleasuring that we even look forward to , with large doses of desire.? In many cases the answer would be quite simple and for the purposes of SN discussions , quite unprintable.
But let’s stop there… Let’s cast our tear-filled eyes again on that most difficult subject…being or going VEG. For of course if there’s one thing that will bring oodles of pleasure and oral desire filled satisfaction it is a sumptuous bowl of anything that ever required roots into the ground.Yes ,I’m talking the manna from heaven, nirvana’s own home grown fruits and vegetables. Not that other self-pleasuring thing.Oh no… not meditation…ahemm .You see it strikes me, especially when on the receiving end of a carnivores ire, that advaeaters or advaitas to be specific have an almost unholy fear of delivering their lifestyle choices as a panacea for the world. All except one person, or spirit or fellow human being… That person being your friend and mine, Mr Osho. Osho in contrast to many of today’s Self seekers took the world of non-duality onto the dinner plate, as well as every where else , by insisting through awareness (of course) that veggies really had the finger of truth on the trigger of this eternal duel.
In this his message is uncompromising..you walk in the door of the resort in Pune and there it is…Veggy Knowingness..yes red robes and all, but, veggy pride it is. Now of course when attempting to describe this state of affairs to others there’s always the proviso that one ’should not’ proselytise or berate. Responsibility yes, blameworthiness , no. In true truth-seeking any change will come about because of a shift in consciousness.
In the urge to find solutions to ’collective seeking’ Osho was keenly aware of the implications of going beyond the here and now and into the there and then of lifestyle choices. That was his forte and gladly so. He liked a good ruck. And in the Indian tradition of ’Veggies against everybody else’ .
I mean for somewhere to enjoy your spiritually ethical holiday it’s great to look around India.Well it would be if it wasn’t for the overcrowding and death-oriented sexual repression in stifling heat and diesel fumes. Yes, on second thoughts it’s not a brilliant ad for vegetarians, but in my books its better than the average Eskimo diet that is plastically wrapped and shrouded from its shambolic sources in the shopping aisles of your local supermarket. If every supermarket had some sound slaughterhouse effects and videos going, (instead of those for electric bog-brushes) then ’people’ including the odd part-time truth seeker would think twice and maybe for the first time..Or move to Alaska to be Free..
Of course the tricky bit for advaitists, or some post-Osho self-seekers is that they really don’t welcome challenging lifestyle questions, preferring the sabotage of the dysfunctional identity of the ’questioners assumptions’ as a get-out tactic when under fire. Put it this way..if all you wanted was an averagely sexually repressed carnivorous bit of soul food, you would do well to pop into your average all male sufi gathering (they exist even in the uk), no questions asked. But it does strike me as rather odd to say in the least that in order to fulfil your/one’s life mission of love vibes and tenderness any self respecting unrepenting carnivorous sannyasin would hang out/meditate etc with vegetarian sannyasins , argue the toss of this that or the other , then pop down the blood bank for some cow nipple and teeth or screaming chicken with claws or …well you get the picture…Obviously in their determined effort to stay in the here and now these adveaterists and Osho food Schizos slink away from loaded questioning, but not Osho.. Sure he understood the proselytising part of veggy philosophy well, casting his anti-Gandhian ego attacking wit far and wide. And I concur, that those people do the animal-perspective position little service for they are easily spotted for hiding their ambitions behind the doopy-dopey animal kindness personality lies of many who would otherwise be mentally sectioned..( I volunteered at PETA, and I know how insane they generally are as people). But ….that doesn’t give advantage to the hypocrisy amongst those who would argue about Osho saying this or that for their own psychic benefit whilst in the next phrase ’be just popping out for a beef sandwich cos they’re starving’. Personally I take it to the next level.. I don’t have friends who are meat eaters and I don’t sit in the same room with them without stating the fact. This happened with those bastards at ERESSOS , GREECE ,Osho centre who are regularly known to salivate and feast on slaughtered carcass, then heavily manipulate Osho togetherness and hugging so they feel good about themselves. Basically people like that are various vampires and by this article deserve to be outed.
Humanism and its validation from the late 17th century onwards, of the primacy of the Self marked a turning point from the absolutism of dead-end structured mythologies. The contemporary linguistic mystical somersaults that those whose dysfunctional selves make in their enquiry into what true self is or means, to the denial of social and humanistic issues is irrelevant to anything but a tidy weekend on retreat and considering only whats in front of your nose..and the dismissive ’ Oh you have a cause ..how irrelevant to the here and now of the salivary barbecue’ ) .
People like carnivorous Mooji should be openly mocked and barracked on their way into another hushed hall of truth seekers.
I don’t want or need his version of reality, and to know that he’s doing better than me , and …anyone for a kebab ? Moreover if it’s just the universe doing its thing through him , then its my chance to tell the universe exactly what I think ..and how. I as a human being have a choice.Whether or not I exist and am doing better than you because of the fact that ahemm, I don’t Exist, is not fundamentally helpful.
Even if we have outgrown the empty promises of what happinesses the 17th century humanist Self can actually deliver, then notions of no Self and its functions are hardly civically useful or transformative of experience unless ethically underscored by the kind of libertarian vision of Osho and animal friendly paradigms.
The main message is that if I choose to blame ’them’,(carnivorous others) it may well be my myopic shortcoming , but if they choose to remain hypocritical idiots it’s theirs (and the universe’s). And no amount of quoteable Osho hoopla will defend the indefensible injustices of this ’ugly world’ (J. Krishnamurti) …..whether the universe gives a toss or not.
If you are in doubt as to what consensus can do when faced with obscurantist religious zealot identity then look no further than Holland where the Party for the Animals has drawn the anger of the representatives of the 1 million Muslims and the 40 thousand Jews who oppose even stunning as a pre-murder requirement of sentient large mammals, by the Parliamentary banning of their halal and kosher barbaric killing procedures.
Hoo bloody ray !We are the inheritors of a humanist society, and yes also there are other important ethics and actions..judge those for yourself in the light of justice and making the planet a little bit more beautiful before we go….
……But before you agree or walk away , think of this conundrum..
The opposite of not giving a stuff is………..Thank you for listening……
and now for this weeks concert by Gustav Mahler who was Jewish and Vegetarian……