Harideva renames a new celebration day!
Harideva says he feels the awareness around a new Osho Holiday can be a healing salve for our entire sannyas family and friends. Sounds a bit portentous to SN !
He said, “We all know that the Osho Sangha is fractured and the Viha staff and myself have been determined for decades to heal it any way we can. This new Osho Holiday may help us all move into a crystallized realization that we do not need to control each other or Osho’s Dream – his dream and vision are indestructible.”
Well, one wonders. Division may not be so bad, unity is just another name for comformity!
His advertising below.
It will be interesting to see how his envisaged “walk’ around Koregoan Park goes on January 19th.
(SN)
Seems Harideva is very sensitive – am wondering if he is a regular SN reader these days?
I have never been a fan of such walks anyway, so I am out of this for sure; maybe I may peep out of our window for a dekho (view)!
As I understand it, Osho himself got bored with the celebration days when he was alive. And told people to drop them when he was deceased.
I can understand where he was coming from myself. It seems that wherever one looks, people want to have these celebration days – as if they can’t make every day a celebration!
Celebration days within Sannyas, and also outside it, are simply ways to make more than an extra buck – and more.
Though the ‘official’ party has dropped celebrations in accord with Osho’s wishes, they seem to be aware of the latter and I understand there are competing events at the Resort around the year that coincide with the old celebrations, so not much difference there.
The Arun and Keerti people retreat into the conformity of what used to happen a quarter of a century ago!
And now Harideva wants to create a third party – also with the motif of celebration and old timing. What gets me is that he has the effrontery to self-elect himself as the namer and proponent of such an activity.
Please join me in the ‘non-celebration party’ and make every day a celebration.
Religion should never be in the service of capitalism!
It seems Anglo-Saxon disciples of Osho will never stop imposing their minds on Osho.
If it is in their hands, instead of Jabalpur they will write Manchester as birth-place of Osho.
It seems Shantam will never stop imposing his mind on Osho and his sannyasins.
If it is in his hands, instead of Jabalpur he will write Shantam Chuddyville as birth-place of Osho.
He were never from Manchester, ye daft Paki gett, he were from Salford!
He were a top man and his cult was totally mint; load o` red devils wi` no keks on, totally mad fer it!
`e`s in a Champagne supernova in the sky now, mind…
Dead sound and well sorted!
Arite?
Seriously, mon, I wood loove to go to Goa an` jomp op an` down on a really hot beach…
specially one with ripe juicy mangoes, innit..!
Sounds like it could be fun. One never really knows.
“Please join me in the ‘non-celebration party’ and make every day a celebration.
Religion should never be in the service of capitalism!”
Dear Parmartha, one can make a dogma out of anything, I feel and know by now, being ´for´ something or ´against’ it. However, you pointed out that one of His (Oshos´s ) essential messages to us was to celebrate moment to moment anyway, to our best capacity to let that happen.
Otherwise, I simply understand that in spite of getting ‘glimpses’ on where we come from (birth) and where we are disappearing into (death), we feel an urge to celebrate that, isn´t it?
And sometimes, also political stuff energetically starts clinging around it, which is ugly in a way, and I guess that´s what you meant all in all, ie establishing organized religion…and something in that direction)?
The issue of the thread though, as you rightly stated, coming up some 25 years after so much more water flowing down the Ganges, the Thames, the Isar, the Donau, or whatsoever RIVERS to the Ocean – and a ´Freedom issue´ postulated with it – is significant.
Freedom from what and for what?
Concerning Osho, He declared to be ´free´ anyway, yet also stated in the lecture Prem posted recently that a conscious Enlightened Being in his lifetime still is to settle some karmic accounts.
Concerning ´us´, we obviously still strive to taste ´freedom´ and what that is all about, and to learn about the different tastes that ´freedom´ has, or does not have(!).
Trials and errors again and again, a never-ending dance, up to the last breath of this life, and who knows it, maybe even beyond – in other forms.
Harideva´s approach, and I am quite sure that he speaks also on behalf of some friends around him, is also a statement. And why not? I don´t see any special ´capitalism´ thing in it, besides the other businesses which are anyway happening, partly in His ( Oshos´s) name, partly not.
I will be just out of it, because I´ve lost so much contact here to other sannyasins; and I never was a friend of too much partying, yet I loved the special celebrations.
And Osho´s birthdate and Osho´s departure day still are significant for me. Inside.
Love
Madhu
Had a short night’s sleep, Friends, and would like to ask Sannyas News people, posting the sentence, “Well, one wonders. Division may not be so bad, unity is just another name for conformity!” – to question this interpretation mentioned.
We are not in a political party here, or are we?
Madhu
Arpana, repeating my post, it is a compliment. Punch goes straight where it should be.
The Poona 2 project started When Osho’s lifespan was decreasing and like intense painter, he was pouring his vision out. How old Parmartha must be at that time? Early or middle forties. Much younger than where I am at 51.
He did not spend even a single month there, yet writes with authority as if adviser on the royal matters:
“As I understand it, Osho himself got bored with the celebration days when he was alive. And told people to drop them when he was deceased.”
This sentence is as rubbish as if someone says one needs to screw for the sake of virginty.
Parmartha, do you know Osho commissioned Amrito to write a book, ‘International Acadeamy of Creative Arts, Science and Consciousness’? 17, Koregaon Park was designated for this purpose.
Do you know, from 1988 onwards, Osho asked his PR team to invite top of the league creative people for their performance in the ashram during his festival days. Celebration was taking a new dimension. ‘Every day is a celebration’ comes at the last stage of evolution or at the level of pimps and prostitutes!
My feeling is, by defending present management style Parmartha is under the influence of his racial superiority. Only problem is, such superior race is still dependent on export quality gurus from India!
Please, don’t try to fry basmati rice as chips!
” ‘Every day is a celebration’ comes at the last stage of evolution or at the level of pimps and prostitutes!”
El Chudo once again shares his deep insights into the true nature of reality. Fascinating.
“Parmartha, do you know Osho commissioned Amrito to write a book, ‘International Academy of Creative Arts, Science and Consciousness’? 17, Koregaon Park was designated for this purpose.”
What has such a book got to do with ‘celebration days’? Absolutely nothing.
“Every day is a celebration comes at the last stage of evolution or at the level of pimps and prostitutes”
Another laugh-out-loud line from Jullundur’s finest comedy export.
That’s right up there with:
“In the matter of words what does it matter that the underpants are outside the trousers?”
Keep `em coming….
Hari declares, “We all know that the Osho Sangha is fractured and the Viha staff and myself have been determined for decades to heal it any way we can.”
Last time I looked, the fracture had developed into the social/spiritual Grand Canyon and yet, unknown to me it would seem, Hari and Viha staff have been making efforts for decades to heal this huge rift for a time period that, according to him, spans decades. I am surprised to hear this and am left wondering if this apparent split actually requires healing, or is it life’s way of placing the whole thing in the past basket from where it will all return from whence it came, nothing.
Once again, the ubiquitous Osho’s dream vision rises from the ashes, its new characteristic being indestructibility. Could this permanent phenomenon have something to do with a liberal dose of elastic imagination being mixed into the aggragate? There seem to be so many visions of what Osho’s dream actually represents that its very formlessness and vagueness have gained it a certain immortality.
Hari gives a few clues in relation to what the real interpretation of Osho’s vision may in fact be in the form of crystallised realization. It definitely has a direct link to Osho’s vision in the sense that nobody will actually know what it is.
But hold on. All is not lost. Hari kindly provides some clues as to the nature of this mystical process called crystallised realisation. It has something to do with, amongst quite a variety of things, laughing on the beach, satsang-ish get-togethers and yoga schmogga. Now that is clear we can all kick back and enjoy the groovy music, provied by O Mistico, which apparently means Osho the Mystic in Portugese. Who said SN was not an educational website?
The advert concludes with an invitation to join the event, with the promise that one’s life will be changed for the better. What “better” implies in this case is none too clear, so we will just have to take the man’s word for it. Hold on! Who exactly is Harideva that we should trust him to such an extent? I studied his photo wherein he is holding up a placard declaring that Osho is free. This declaration is quite a broad statement that is wide open to interpretation. What does it actually mean?
Questions…questions…questions. Perhaps some of our commentators hee on SN could supply some much needed answers. That is, if they are not too preoccupied with the crystallised realisation process or cooking classes.
Uihjuihjuchuihhhh, Lokesh, Scottish ´humour´ hasn´t lost its bite on a Balearic island, not at all! “It definitely has a direct link to Osho’s vision in the sense that nobody will actually know what it is. But hold on….”
Good to have it after breakfast! Here, on a nasty cold December morning, German, Bavarian style
grey on grey, with a laughter or two…as it happened…
Say “Welcome, please”…”de Nada”….
Madhu
“Who said SN was not an educational website?”
It´s me who says it, over and over again, Lokesh, but as I have been beaten up in the classroom when I wrote it down also, I mostly murmur it when loading the computer and shake my whitened hair – in ´despair´(rhyming, you see ?).
Madhu
P.S:
Sometimes would like to have a tea with your wife…you know, that one with the victory-fingers in the pic you posted long, long, long ago.
Madhu, you would love her. She likes cafe americano. At least you have hair to shake, whitened or not. Take pity on those less fortunate.
“What has such a book got to do with ‘celebration days’? Absolutely nothing.”
Who knows, Satyadeva? Here where I am, the most astounding alliances and new family constellations with new ´celebrities´, not to speak of data compilations a la gusto have become possible. In terms of take what you need for your purposes, drop the rest into the gully and ´celebrate, aaahhhh, celebrate´…’
So, we don´t know about GAMERS these days. But we can watch it.
Madhu
Honestly…who cares??
As I understand it, Harideva is also trying to make an extra buck for his Osho Beach O Mistico restaurant in Candolim, Goa.
Also, his understanding of Osho´s work is a bunch of people partying. Which is ok…so, “no more parties in Pune, shame…let´s walk around Koregaon Park and then let’s all go crash at Osho Beach, Goa…and let’s get healed.”
Its like some kind of events organiser´s healing process…
Personally, I think it would be interesting to see 30-odd old-timers walking around Koregaon Park with a djembee and taking selfies at the gate – healing.
Of course you won’t care – then why this “30-odd old timers”…?