Comments on: Advaita Vedanta, I am that

By: chinmaya

chinmaya — Mon, 09 May 2011 22:20:18 +0000

Important is bowing of inside with body, mind and soul, as full surrender.

By: Swami Dhyan Atmo

Swami Dhyan Atmo — Mon, 09 May 2011 09:40:32 +0000

“Advaita or nonduality is the highest flowering of Indian spiritual philosophy; it is the quintessential mystical understanding. Advaita is as far as the intellect and concepts can go in the direction of truth. After advaita, not much more can be said.”

Thats the main advaita’s fail – intellects and concepts are so far as they can be, nothing more can be said… but ooops… people are stiil in dualities, they’ve changed their ideas but didn’t implement these ideas. Its the same as you’d say “this is the best ocean photos ever been made”, but photos are not ocean and talking about nonduality is not nonduality.

I remember osho said something like this: “start from beginning and you will reach the end point, if you start from the end point you will not even make a first step”

By: Lokesh

Lokesh — Mon, 02 May 2011 10:10:11 +0000

Parmartha, I’m with you all the way on that. Shantam’s problem, and it is a problem because he gets upset by it, is that he is far too concerned with externals. As far as the masses are concerned that is completely acceptable and can be judged normal. The thing is, these blogs are basically for people who were affiliated with a man who constantly said that the real deal lies within and those who are caught up in the mundane goings-on of the world are like lost sheep.

By: Parmartha

Parmartha — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:06:16 +0000

Shantam
re “Bowing down” !!
I met Osho in 1974, the first darshan I went to there were a number of Indians. I was “green” , I didn’t know what the form was.
After Osho was seated in his Chair the Indians tried to bow down to touch his feet, etc, and thinking this was customary I also tried. He didn’t like it from anyone as far as I could see. He made contact with my shoulder and hurried me back into an upright position!
Frankly I cant see how the “DNA” of the Pune Resort/ashram was changed in 2000 by discouraging bowing down.. For all you know that may well have been an instruction that Osho left as he clearly was uncomfortable with the practice!
The beauty and relief I have found with advaita type teachers is that they dont seem convinced that having a Buddhafield which involves an organisation is at all necessary for spiritual growth.
Seeing teachers in small cramped Bombay rooms, or modest Quaker Halls, and discouraging organisations around them is refreshing. Having a drink with an advaita teacher in an English pub did have a moment of “freedom” for me. It wasn’t about the teacher involved but freedom from my own pro formas.

By: shantam

shantam — Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:03:11 +0000

Paramiti, Whether Master is bogus or real, whether disciple is sincere or a curious monger, one thing is fundamental, people want to Relate with something bigger, something higher, something which inspires us on the journey called Life.

Everybody has their own need, own speed own luggage to carry and one´s own unique destination. Here if someone gives a set belief system, some set rituals according to their good intention is basically doing a priestly work, and only for such persons i have a deep condemnation.

Example sake, a ritual was devloped spontaneoulsy during the evening meeting at Ahsram that disicples bow down when Osho entered the auditorium. Disciples were following the same, when Osho after His departure was coming only in the video.
It went on till 2000. After that when the bosses decided to change the DNA of the Ashram style and replace it with Resort, this thing called bowing down was deliberatly discouraged..and now when you bow down among the staright sitters, it looks odd.. to go against the current of the group is quite a difficult task..

As i see, in a civilised spiritual atmosphare, This and That both are accepted and given equal atomsphare to grow..When i see the new fashion of “Advaita”, it looks quite loop sided..Even the followers are unable to digest that Life consist of This and That and all in between and out..

By: Bingo

Bingo — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:47:17 +0000

Paramiti, Beautifully said.

By: Lokesh

Lokesh — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:40:58 +0000

Is it a coincidence that my wife won the lottery some years after meeting Osho?

By: Lokesh

Lokesh — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:41:20 +0000

An enlightened chap once said that one way to spot the enlightened people is that they are often quiet and don’t say very much. Shantam seems to think that being enlightened entails being famous. It does not. This whole ranking Osho along Buddha and Christ is, in my unenlightened mind, a load of billocks. Osho was neither Buddhalike or Christlike. Why the need to draw comparisons?… and, if one really has to find a comparison, why not one that actually fits at least a little bit. On the ranch there was a casino and pubs etc…Buddha would not have dug that, as Christ would not have dug the cars and corny expensive watches that Osho was so fond of. Gurdieff would be a more fitting comparison, even though he was an alcoholic and philanderar who saw the error of his ways in later life. Why not say Osho was a unique spiritual teacher and be done with it?

By: Paramiti

Paramiti — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:49:16 +0000

@shantam..i think they come round more often than realized..i see it this way..the nature of enlightenment does not ..by any means ..cause one to feel Motivated to share their experience..much Less become a Master/teacher for who knows how many Morons!! the way i see it..there will always be mentally unstable ppl who think they are enlightened..there will always be ppl who know they are not enlightened but are entrepreneurial enough to declare themselves enlightened and capitalize on the idea. think of it..you dont need a product or a service..just declare yourself enlightened and go from there..
there would be no way to accurately find out..but my good guess is that Most who attain enlightenment dont talk about it..many Deny that they are..and why? bc who wants to deal with all the idiots who rally around them?? seriously!!..half looking for a savior and the other half looking to discredit or falsify the situation…
i think Master was either nutz or a martyr..who needs all the Nonsense that comes with offering to help others..most will not be helped in Any way..perhaps they will become even more lost..and those who are helped…could most likely help themselves anyway..as Masters sannyasin i am grateful He did choose to take disciples..yet..
so.. the reality as i perceive it is..that.we end up with a lot of bogus teachers..whether they Know they are bogus or not varies..bc some are just whacked ..and some are just snake oil salesmen..
enlightenment is a touchy subject..unenlightened ppl discussing enlightenment is like a bunch of virgins sitting around talking about sex..what does a virgin know about sex??

By: shantam

shantam — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:21:24 +0000

“The thing is, enlightened or not, he provides a service and some are willing to pay for it. He gives people to chance to play masters and disciples in a personal setting. Good for him.”

In that sense, many others are doing a similar service in the world dominated by need and supply. Disciples of Osho are in the forefront and have their spiritual kioks, the way Indians once had corner shops all over UK.
As long as there is no thought provoking quality in religiius leaders, best brains of humanity will avoid them. Those were really the times, when People like J Krishnamurti, UG Krishnamurti and Osho were sharing the peaks of human consciousness.. Waves are rising and falling… but seems like Tsunamis don’t come every day, every year or every decade.