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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2018 18:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Special Brew&#039;, eh, SS? My God, it can be tough on the spiritual path...Quite a &#039;Zorba-ish&#039; effort though, I suppose....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Special Brew&#8217;, eh, SS? My God, it can be tough on the spiritual path&#8230;Quite a &#8216;Zorba-ish&#8217; effort though, I suppose&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Bob,

Is there anything, just anything, you could review re this thread topic beyond or besides a financial ( aka ´power´) transactional viewpoint?

(Did thoroughly read your your yesterday´s contribution telling us about your 4 or 5 years maintaining personal efforts (website on yahoo) which I knew nothing of - so far; maybe others here did (?), when I feel some heavy sarcasm going on..).

Anyway - would you mind to share some re my first question, please?
Even then, when such could be obsolete for you, the latter - as a statement -  would be better to hear from your side instead of on my side imagining or murky fantasising....
 
Madhu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>Is there anything, just anything, you could review re this thread topic beyond or besides a financial ( aka ´power´) transactional viewpoint?</p>
<p>(Did thoroughly read your your yesterday´s contribution telling us about your 4 or 5 years maintaining personal efforts (website on yahoo) which I knew nothing of &#8211; so far; maybe others here did (?), when I feel some heavy sarcasm going on..).</p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; would you mind to share some re my first question, please?<br />
Even then, when such could be obsolete for you, the latter &#8211; as a statement &#8211;  would be better to hear from your side instead of on my side imagining or murky fantasising&#8230;.</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: swamishanti</title>
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		<dc:creator>swamishanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I woke up this morning on a pile of cardboard boxes with empty cans of &#039;Special Brew&#039; lying around, and a book of Mother Meera next to me. Unsure of how I got there. Then I became aware that there was a blond woman with dreadlocks lying on top of me, who I did not recognise.

And then I remembered that I answered your post about Lennon again at 8:21pm last night.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I woke up this morning on a pile of cardboard boxes with empty cans of &#8216;Special Brew&#8217; lying around, and a book of Mother Meera next to me. Unsure of how I got there. Then I became aware that there was a blond woman with dreadlocks lying on top of me, who I did not recognise.</p>
<p>And then I remembered that I answered your post about Lennon again at 8:21pm last night.</p>
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		<title>By: Lokesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lokesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2018 14:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about Western gurus in America, like Charles Manson? He died recently and there was a legal battle over who would own Charlie&#039;s ashes. Very holy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Western gurus in America, like Charles Manson? He died recently and there was a legal battle over who would own Charlie&#8217;s ashes. Very holy.</p>
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		<title>By: sw. veet (francesco)</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7680#comment-86497</link>
		<dc:creator>sw. veet (francesco)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2018 14:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After many years it is incredible to see the intact power of Osho&#039;s devices in stimulating cardias*, causing an anti-peristaltic wave.

Obviously the problem is Osho, who takes all those devices seriously.

*cardias: The anatomical term for defining the upper orifice of communication between the esophagus and the stomach, below the diaphragm. 



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After many years it is incredible to see the intact power of Osho&#8217;s devices in stimulating cardias*, causing an anti-peristaltic wave.</p>
<p>Obviously the problem is Osho, who takes all those devices seriously.</p>
<p>*cardias: The anatomical term for defining the upper orifice of communication between the esophagus and the stomach, below the diaphragm. </p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2018 14:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SS, it seems you weren&#039;t paying enough attention to that BL tape. Perhaps you were too impatient, expecting a &#039;sudden flash of illumination&#039;, or maybe you came to it with a preconceived idea that it would probably be useless, irrelevant to you? Many, including me, have found it useful, some, apparently, exceptionally so.

Still, whatever your experience, it proves nothing except that it wasn&#039;t for you. Just as not every single meditation method or therapy (or Master) suits everyone (far from it, in fact) - and neither is everything any Master says relevant to everyone, including his/her own disciples/followers/&quot;friends&quot;. As you yourself confirm with your recent highly critical remarks about Osho&#039;s statements on John Lennon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SS, it seems you weren&#8217;t paying enough attention to that BL tape. Perhaps you were too impatient, expecting a &#8216;sudden flash of illumination&#8217;, or maybe you came to it with a preconceived idea that it would probably be useless, irrelevant to you? Many, including me, have found it useful, some, apparently, exceptionally so.</p>
<p>Still, whatever your experience, it proves nothing except that it wasn&#8217;t for you. Just as not every single meditation method or therapy (or Master) suits everyone (far from it, in fact) &#8211; and neither is everything any Master says relevant to everyone, including his/her own disciples/followers/&#8221;friends&#8221;. As you yourself confirm with your recent highly critical remarks about Osho&#8217;s statements on John Lennon.</p>
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		<title>By: anandrahul</title>
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		<dc:creator>anandrahul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2018 14:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Rolls Royce Phantom 2018 has an option to get artwork done. OSHONews has an article where they carry an excerpt of Swami Deva Peter&#039;s book, &#039;93 Rolls-Royces&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rolls Royce Phantom 2018 has an option to get artwork done. OSHONews has an article where they carry an excerpt of Swami Deva Peter&#8217;s book, &#8217;93 Rolls-Royces&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
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		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2018 13:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel like vomiting when I read every act and omission of Osho termed as just another device. If it is so, fact is device did not work. 

For many, Osho was the founder of spiritual fun park for adults only. Now memories are left of Indian Elvis Presley of spiritual industry who seems to be more at ease when microphone was before Him. 

Sometimes it is no harm to take actions of the master a bit seriously and sincerely, and with pinch of salt!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like vomiting when I read every act and omission of Osho termed as just another device. If it is so, fact is device did not work. </p>
<p>For many, Osho was the founder of spiritual fun park for adults only. Now memories are left of Indian Elvis Presley of spiritual industry who seems to be more at ease when microphone was before Him. </p>
<p>Sometimes it is no harm to take actions of the master a bit seriously and sincerely, and with pinch of salt!</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7680#comment-86491</link>
		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2018 13:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very plausible explanation, Bob. Well done!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very plausible explanation, Bob. Well done!</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The question must therefore be asked...Someone has gone to a lot of trouble to change the story of Osho’s name. So much trouble, and going in a very different direction from Osho’s public words...It must be something big.&quot;

It is something big, at least relatively speaking...

The focus of this thread is: The name &#039;Osho&#039; was chosen out of the Zen discourses that Osho was solely speaking on in his final year or two. &#039;Osho&#039; was the reverent name (&#039;Heshang&#039; in China, pronounced &#039;Osho&#039; in Japan) used by Zen disciples (in China) for their Zen master. Why was this changed to the William James &quot;oceanic&quot; derivation, as a conscious rewriting of its history?

Easy answer, I would say. The business administrators of the Osho legacy, i.e., OFI, the Resort, did not want the main character in their new religion to be associated with just &quot;one&quot; of the many past spiritual movements of the world. That would constrain the propagation of the movement. 

Osho spoke on a vast array of historical spiritual ideas and people involved with those ideas. To in some way have future seekers think that he was &#039;just&#039; a Zen master in the long lineage of that sect, would be a limiting factor that reduces the interest of new adherents and participants. To hook it to something &quot;oceanic&quot; - the W. James connection of the word -would make it more universal, and more profitable. 

Also, there may be a legal, trademark reason hooked in. OFI wants to trademark the word &#039;Osho&#039;, but that word has been used by the Zen centres for centuries, and is still in current use in Japan. That would be like trying to trademark &#039;Mevlana, &#039;Bhagwan&#039;, or even &#039;Father&#039; used for a Christian priest in contemporary times. Or &#039;Pope&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The question must therefore be asked&#8230;Someone has gone to a lot of trouble to change the story of Osho’s name. So much trouble, and going in a very different direction from Osho’s public words&#8230;It must be something big.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is something big, at least relatively speaking&#8230;</p>
<p>The focus of this thread is: The name &#8216;Osho&#8217; was chosen out of the Zen discourses that Osho was solely speaking on in his final year or two. &#8216;Osho&#8217; was the reverent name (&#8216;Heshang&#8217; in China, pronounced &#8216;Osho&#8217; in Japan) used by Zen disciples (in China) for their Zen master. Why was this changed to the William James &#8220;oceanic&#8221; derivation, as a conscious rewriting of its history?</p>
<p>Easy answer, I would say. The business administrators of the Osho legacy, i.e., OFI, the Resort, did not want the main character in their new religion to be associated with just &#8220;one&#8221; of the many past spiritual movements of the world. That would constrain the propagation of the movement. </p>
<p>Osho spoke on a vast array of historical spiritual ideas and people involved with those ideas. To in some way have future seekers think that he was &#8216;just&#8217; a Zen master in the long lineage of that sect, would be a limiting factor that reduces the interest of new adherents and participants. To hook it to something &#8220;oceanic&#8221; &#8211; the W. James connection of the word -would make it more universal, and more profitable. </p>
<p>Also, there may be a legal, trademark reason hooked in. OFI wants to trademark the word &#8216;Osho&#8217;, but that word has been used by the Zen centres for centuries, and is still in current use in Japan. That would be like trying to trademark &#8216;Mevlana, &#8216;Bhagwan&#8217;, or even &#8216;Father&#8217; used for a Christian priest in contemporary times. Or &#8216;Pope&#8217;.</p>
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