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WHERE DO YOU WANT THIS, Veet F?

What must grow is the awareness that there is an alternative to the dominant materialistic vision, we, who through direct experience have known it, can share it or not.

Sharing it is a revolutionary act because it contributes to the awakening of a subdued community to the subtle domain of money, since everything we do seems to first have to respond to a criterion of convenience.

The hierarchy of values looks reversed and only one voice is heard, it is Zorba’s, who got drunk and blasphemes about the cost of wine, while Buddha lives on in island and namastes the sea.

Thank you for your trust and for the invitation, I accept it…now I only miss the money for the flight and for the vouchers.

Not only do I agree with you about the Resort and its prices – which are roughly too high compared to the price trend in India, and whereas for the Europeans the Indian inflation ‘should’ partly be offset by the devaluation of the rupee compared to the euro – but I even thought that it was justified by the will of the Canadian boss to prevent people, like me and you, we were there doing no groups, flirting or fucking around (not between us, fortunately) taking away space for new arrivals.

Perhaps aiming for a richer Russian, Chinese or Indian average customer.

Just a commercial choice, maybe justified by the expenses incurred to complete the Resort project and for maintenance costs, but the transparency of public budgets would be enough to remove these doubts.

However, as I have already said, if someone is diverting resources to the Sangha for purposes other than sharing the spiritual bread, this would disappoint me, much more if the pilfering were hetero-directed.

I also heard negative feedbacks on the level/quality of the groups, apart from some direct experience of mine, the last 4 years ago.

If you have a chart of the Resort prices you can compare them with the two that I link below.

This is the trend of Indian prices (inflation):
http://it.global-rates.com/statistiche-economiche/inflazione/indice-dei-prezzi-al-consumo/cpi/india.aspx

This is the rupee/euro exchange rate (devaluation):
https://www.eurocambi.com/grafici/inr

I’d be interested to hear what you are actually doing to make the world a better place. I suspect not very much. Go on, surprise me.

I try to fill the word ‘progress’ with content, opposed to ‘regression’.

By this, I mean the improvement of the living conditions of human beings, with respect to their environment and their peers, and therefore the availability of equally distributed material, social and spiritual resources.

On the contrary, by ‘regression’, I mean the conditions of famine that generate a continuous friction that can evolve in conflict to the extent of a more or less unfair distribution of resources.

What do you have against progress and where do you see fanaticism in it?

I took it for granted that knowing yourself involves recognising/attributing to human nature those progressive qualities that the use of violent fanaticism would contradict.

Surely having some notion of Gestalt can help and have some effect on reality, but in itself this is not sufficient to qualify in positive or negative that effect, it must, in fact, be referred to the more or less complex context considered.

Taking responsibility for the effects of our own individual choices with respect to a greater balance than immediate satisfaction of one’s needs means to face the theme of ‘vision’ or ‘vision bearer’, a progressive type like Osho.

Summarising, knowing yourself (as I described) is a necessary but not sufficient condition to change the world.

But taking that responsibility, for example saying that slavery should be abolished, could have pissed off the bosses, who wanted to preserve those privileges, the prerogative of the bearers of a regressive vision.

There is a difference, Lokesh, between the progressive use of the force of slaves and the violence of slavers who oppose it. From which direction do you look in the keyhole that separates men from their freedom/realisation? Attention, what you say could trigger a violent reaction.

But you can take time and dedicate yourself to the inner search – will you not be a fanatic?

Thanks for the funny video, Pompeii is also a good place for an OMC or a swinging club.
http://www.butac.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/pompei2.jpg

Thing is, Shantam, you’re uninterested in around 90% of discussion, except insofar as it might promote your particular Pune ashram agenda.

That is a debatable point. I also suspect that the statement is not authentic, that Veet read it somewhere. Who decides what constitutes a progressive vision? Fanatics try to impose their progressive vision on others. Shantam believes his returning the Resort in Poona to how it was once in the past is a progressive vision. There are many sides to it.

I create my own vision and do not try to impose it on others. As far as I am concerned, everyone can do what they want…as long as they do not interfere with other peoples lives against their will. If you ask me trying to change the world is a mug’s game. The one’s who usually want to change the world are usually the one’s most in need of changing themselves.

That is not to say we should sit back and see our environment ruined. Or not stand up to obvious injustice etc. The best vision is to see that the world is perfect as it is with all its imperfections. This world is a caravanserai, a stopover for the night.

Go on Veet, educate yourself and try and come up with something original.
Here is a link to a vid of one such man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c