Thank you very much for the reminder. XXX

I am right here, where I ought to be, at the moment.

And yes: when meeting the Master and the Sangha, a radical change re becoming a universal citizen of this world has taken place and such still is demanding its toll all these decades.
To speak of ´times’ or ´nationalities’ or ´colour of skins’, ‘mother tongues’, ´justice´ is so utterly obsolete in such a context.

In former times, we sometimes spoke of having surpassed (by sannyas) a point of ´no-return´.
(Blissfully unaware what that really means).

Anyway, also this processing – accompanied by many shocks of all kinds (!) – needs to be integrated, to be of any use.

And as you rightly stated it recently, such can take lifetimes (or not), but surely is – in its possibilities of ´completion´ – not in my/your/anybody´s hands.

Just knowing that any Living is by nature never, ever ´completed´, may serve as a consolation – a´lubricant – up to the moment also such ´consolation concept´ just falls apart…

This KOAN of ´effortless-effort´, do you remember?

So, Shantam – a ‘safe container´ is much more than a material little flat (or also an Ashram) to live in, wherever; besides these material basics it is meant as an energy field you are situated in.

Anybody can feel it when such is missing (like Preetam or others, or like you too (?)) and everybody feels it when such invisible shelter is functioning, and functioning as a nourishing support.

Nobody, really nobody, can enforce such to happen. Neither you temporarily in Freiburg can ´make it happen´, nor me here in Munich; we´re both just (exactly) at the places we ought to be, I´d presume…as uncomfortable as it sometimes may feel to be….

Madhu

Maybe it sounds too boisterous to the hard-skinned, top-notch Osho disciples who were touched by the master personally, it is only an average disciple like me who can offer “safe container” in Pune for fellow disciples @ mere 500 Euros per month all-inclusive.

And above that meets the quest of the topic theme in the Chat, targeting a point or an issue, nobody here did mention yet amongst these disembodied entities of contributors with sannyas names (who haven’t met in the flesh, so to say, or even would be unwilling to do so?).

Indeed, when happening to end up temporarily in a mafia structured or corrupt kind of lobbyist´s gang and area (isolated and harassed), you can well encounter and experience that kind of ´silence´ these tribally organised members call the ´Omerta´. According to that point, I´d second Preetam’s diagnosis: “Whole humanity is an open wound at the Moment.”

- more so than just following Lokesh´s advice ( at 10.51 pm yesterday) which by fortune comes from apparently quite another spot (island) and geo place;
- or more so, than just following your apparent sarcasm, Satyadeva (to ask for a satsang);
- or more so, than just reading Parmartha´s stance about big G., the day before yesterday: “G. had a laugh about this and then a worldly comment to another student, “Less than ten will be worth working with, and getting money out of all of them will not be easy…and then getting rid of those 90 deadwoods, that won’t be easy either!” (which made me freeze like pretty much always when big G. is just quoted for ‘one hit or another´ re nowadays times).

It’s all mixing and merging nowadays, more than just a bit, isn´t it?

And who of us here would want those kind of guys going into action just like this ´by catharsis´, without sharing a ´safe container’, with support to be centred on someone with a capacity and self-experience in meditation for quite a while, and by that having earned some authority by his or her experience?

We´re all, when committed to the pilgrimage inside and to sharing that, needing a ´safe container’ (safe i.e. trustworthy surroundings and a way to bond and have exchanges with fellow-travellers).

Needing for a time being some Presence of authority in a human form, who is able and willing to hold a safe place, being further evolved to walk this bumpy way from here-to-here and to now.

The Beauty of this Sufi parable topic points for me to – as well as insight – outside happenings and how to deal with obstacles on the way. And tells beautifully about a safe container too.

And tells about a mastery which truly is worth its salt (as Lokesh would express it?). Inner-View, as Outer-View – like so often in these parables – embracing each othet.

Joining a viral chat like this is a challenge. Very much so re ´safe container’ issues. If walking the path of a viral chat-connection a little bit longer, some intuition may be happening, joining the yearning to share some stories of ´the Living´.

Madhu

In my case, it can be during next 10 years or maybe next life!

Religion too is a profession or a vocation. Satsang givers too are human beings, just like other entrepreneurs.

Just like ‘love’ and ‘God’ and other such high profile spiritual words, ‘Silence’ too has more dimensions than the fashionable interpretations and wishful thinking.