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		<title>By: swamishanti</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7288#comment-83230</link>
		<dc:creator>swamishanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Growing their own organic vegetables and produce, building their own dam structures and lakes, trying to create a peaceful environment as an example to the world of how things could happen. That is what the pink and red crews did in the desert. 

It was a labour of love. 

They didn&#039;t just grow vegetables but reared chickens and they had a herd of cows as well.

Any other plans for the future? 

I have seen other groups of people come together, some of them take their clothes off under the sun and  grow most of their own foods organically and live close to Nature. But these were people living in simple means, with perhaps solar panels as the only technology. 

The red and orange crews were different. They  had cement mixers and road building equipment. They built their own helipads and airport. They had their infrastructure and their own telephone system. There were watchtowers around the perimeter reminiscent of the towers around Worthy Farm- except the guards had machine guns. 

The other thing. They had no childbirths there at all for five years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing their own organic vegetables and produce, building their own dam structures and lakes, trying to create a peaceful environment as an example to the world of how things could happen. That is what the pink and red crews did in the desert. </p>
<p>It was a labour of love. </p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t just grow vegetables but reared chickens and they had a herd of cows as well.</p>
<p>Any other plans for the future? </p>
<p>I have seen other groups of people come together, some of them take their clothes off under the sun and  grow most of their own foods organically and live close to Nature. But these were people living in simple means, with perhaps solar panels as the only technology. </p>
<p>The red and orange crews were different. They  had cement mixers and road building equipment. They built their own helipads and airport. They had their infrastructure and their own telephone system. There were watchtowers around the perimeter reminiscent of the towers around Worthy Farm- except the guards had machine guns. </p>
<p>The other thing. They had no childbirths there at all for five years.</p>
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		<title>By: Kavita</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7288#comment-83229</link>
		<dc:creator>Kavita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 16:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your lunch break time, Madhu, is my post-siesta time/tea-time. Yhose are lessons learnt, not prescriptions at all actually.

Thanx for the read-suggestion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your lunch break time, Madhu, is my post-siesta time/tea-time. Yhose are lessons learnt, not prescriptions at all actually.</p>
<p>Thanx for the read-suggestion.</p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7288#comment-83228</link>
		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank God for having me during the Rajneeshpuram phase as a sannyasin, Kavita, so I really can make some discernment amidst all the crap of rumours which are filling some obscure talk show corners in and out of the internet or social networks.

Priya Huffman (Boulder) has left some beautiful reviews in Oshonews about her time on the Oregon ranch and otherwise, and maybe you´d like to read it, as it is an integrated piece from a mature and an experienced being.

She is meanwhile an author (poetry), artist (pottery), a Jungian Therapist and a mother.I love her deeply and owe her much gratefulness in so-called Pune I and especially so-called phase on the Ranch. Her review is trustworthy (if you are interested).

You don´t have kids of your ´own´, I presume, Kavita, so your long list of prescriptions you added then at lunch break time will all serve yourself very well, I guess. And thank you for sharing.

Madhu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God for having me during the Rajneeshpuram phase as a sannyasin, Kavita, so I really can make some discernment amidst all the crap of rumours which are filling some obscure talk show corners in and out of the internet or social networks.</p>
<p>Priya Huffman (Boulder) has left some beautiful reviews in Oshonews about her time on the Oregon ranch and otherwise, and maybe you´d like to read it, as it is an integrated piece from a mature and an experienced being.</p>
<p>She is meanwhile an author (poetry), artist (pottery), a Jungian Therapist and a mother.I love her deeply and owe her much gratefulness in so-called Pune I and especially so-called phase on the Ranch. Her review is trustworthy (if you are interested).</p>
<p>You don´t have kids of your ´own´, I presume, Kavita, so your long list of prescriptions you added then at lunch break time will all serve yourself very well, I guess. And thank you for sharing.</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: Kavita</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7288#comment-83227</link>
		<dc:creator>Kavita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 13:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I had kids my conditioning would be &#039;An apple a day keeps the doctor away&#039;,  &#039;Keep your teeth healthy so you won&#039;t need a dentist (laughing gas)&#039;, &#039;Wash your own laundry&#039;, &#039;Be your own secretary&#039;, &#039;Fall deeply in love with a lawyer so you can learn how to out-law legally&#039;!!!       

The list is endless, thank God again I was saved the trouble!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had kids my conditioning would be &#8216;An apple a day keeps the doctor away&#8217;,  &#8216;Keep your teeth healthy so you won&#8217;t need a dentist (laughing gas)&#8217;, &#8216;Wash your own laundry&#8217;, &#8216;Be your own secretary&#8217;, &#8216;Fall deeply in love with a lawyer so you can learn how to out-law legally&#8217;!!!       </p>
<p>The list is endless, thank God again I was saved the trouble!</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7288#comment-83226</link>
		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 11:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Based on this Gujrati history, I think to nudge westerns soon there will be a new expression, &quot;Don´t try to be a doctor.&quot; or &quot;Swami, are you From Edmonton?&quot;

People who are interested in doing post-mortem of short-lived history of Rajneeshpuram should ask, &quot;Who were the beneficiaries of Sheela´s departure?&quot; Most probably these very people must have created a rift between her and her Bhagwan!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on this Gujrati history, I think to nudge westerns soon there will be a new expression, &#8220;Don´t try to be a doctor.&#8221; or &#8220;Swami, are you From Edmonton?&#8221;</p>
<p>People who are interested in doing post-mortem of short-lived history of Rajneeshpuram should ask, &#8220;Who were the beneficiaries of Sheela´s departure?&#8221; Most probably these very people must have created a rift between her and her Bhagwan!</p>
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		<title>By: Kavita</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7288#comment-83224</link>
		<dc:creator>Kavita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 04:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This &#039;anti-Sheela conditioning&#039; is so strong among mostly all sannyasin kids who were barely teenagers at that time; some non-Gujarati sannyasins still use the word &#039;gujrati&#039; to abuse anyone they don&#039;t approve of!

Sometimes really I thank God for not having me during the Rajneeshpuram phase, especially since they worked for 18 hours as I was told by sannyasins who were there at that time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8216;anti-Sheela conditioning&#8217; is so strong among mostly all sannyasin kids who were barely teenagers at that time; some non-Gujarati sannyasins still use the word &#8216;gujrati&#8217; to abuse anyone they don&#8217;t approve of!</p>
<p>Sometimes really I thank God for not having me during the Rajneeshpuram phase, especially since they worked for 18 hours as I was told by sannyasins who were there at that time.</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7288#comment-83220</link>
		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 12:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Without living master or living community, chances to get trapped in priesthood is immense. It is a drug.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without living master or living community, chances to get trapped in priesthood is immense. It is a drug.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7288#comment-83219</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 10:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shanti,
To get the India vibe, I usually get a Bollywood movie out, turn it right up so that it distorts heavily, forget to flush the toilet for a few days, get the dog to pee on my carpet, turn the heating all over the house to the max, join a tube from my running car exhaust into the living room, squat on the floor, light some incense, take a deep breath, and moving my head from side to side, say:
&quot;Acha
Hari Om
Tic hai!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shanti,<br />
To get the India vibe, I usually get a Bollywood movie out, turn it right up so that it distorts heavily, forget to flush the toilet for a few days, get the dog to pee on my carpet, turn the heating all over the house to the max, join a tube from my running car exhaust into the living room, squat on the floor, light some incense, take a deep breath, and moving my head from side to side, say:<br />
&#8220;Acha<br />
Hari Om<br />
Tic hai!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: satchit</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7288#comment-83218</link>
		<dc:creator>satchit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 09:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;For whatever reason, the paradigm of “Master/disciple” was mainly fully encouraged, and was mistaken.&quot;

As far as I remember, he called the Master/disciple paradigm a passage, is it not? It is not the end.

Certainly all organisations fail because they belong to the world, to the momentary. They don&#039;t belong to the eternal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For whatever reason, the paradigm of “Master/disciple” was mainly fully encouraged, and was mistaken.&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as I remember, he called the Master/disciple paradigm a passage, is it not? It is not the end.</p>
<p>Certainly all organisations fail because they belong to the world, to the momentary. They don&#8217;t belong to the eternal.</p>
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		<title>By: Parmartha</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7288#comment-83217</link>
		<dc:creator>Parmartha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 07:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the organisations around Osho, including Poona 1 and Poona 2, and endless Poonas, and Rajneeshpuram were flawed.  And also in the current day, whether it be Arun, Keerti or Amrito or anyone else! 

For whatever reason, the paradigm of &#039;Master/disciple&#039; was mainly fully encouraged, and was mistaken.  Within the organisations it can so easily be reduced to &#039;obedience&#039;.

That is why I would think that Krishnamurti, UG, and also J, and Barry Long, and quite a few others discouraged &#039;organisations&#039; around them, and especially those based on grandiose notions like a &#039;Master&#039;.

The idea of a Master is a sop to those who need a psychological security which does not in fact exist.  A large part of it is based on a need for a paternal figure who is fault-free and has an answer to everything, not a friend who together explores and mutually shares issues with one. This latter is the best human model, and also the most elusive! 

Some forms of Sufism, I feel, are based on this, and I am very sorry to learn that the mosque that was blown up in Egypt overnight was basically inspired by a Sufi vision. Just the sort of thing that really upsets fundamentalisms in all their guises...and would explain why it was attacked and many, many killed. 

All the more reason to stay underground, and cloak oneself in apparent convention, whilst inwardly living one&#039;s private and mysterious life, and seeing those conventions are rubbish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the organisations around Osho, including Poona 1 and Poona 2, and endless Poonas, and Rajneeshpuram were flawed.  And also in the current day, whether it be Arun, Keerti or Amrito or anyone else! </p>
<p>For whatever reason, the paradigm of &#8216;Master/disciple&#8217; was mainly fully encouraged, and was mistaken.  Within the organisations it can so easily be reduced to &#8216;obedience&#8217;.</p>
<p>That is why I would think that Krishnamurti, UG, and also J, and Barry Long, and quite a few others discouraged &#8216;organisations&#8217; around them, and especially those based on grandiose notions like a &#8216;Master&#8217;.</p>
<p>The idea of a Master is a sop to those who need a psychological security which does not in fact exist.  A large part of it is based on a need for a paternal figure who is fault-free and has an answer to everything, not a friend who together explores and mutually shares issues with one. This latter is the best human model, and also the most elusive! </p>
<p>Some forms of Sufism, I feel, are based on this, and I am very sorry to learn that the mosque that was blown up in Egypt overnight was basically inspired by a Sufi vision. Just the sort of thing that really upsets fundamentalisms in all their guises&#8230;and would explain why it was attacked and many, many killed. </p>
<p>All the more reason to stay underground, and cloak oneself in apparent convention, whilst inwardly living one&#8217;s private and mysterious life, and seeing those conventions are rubbish.</p>
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