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	<title>Comments on: The Dilemma of Children in a Commune</title>
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		<title>By: satchit</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7157#comment-82159</link>
		<dc:creator>satchit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2017 08:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Many today, for example, Arun in his latest book, basically condemn this rule, but I think he is not thinking deeply enough.&quot;

It shows how different followers claim to have the right teaching 28 years after the death of the founder of the religion. Same happened with Jesus.

It is not good to be a child of a parent who is busy chasing his own tail, spiritually.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many today, for example, Arun in his latest book, basically condemn this rule, but I think he is not thinking deeply enough.&#8221;</p>
<p>It shows how different followers claim to have the right teaching 28 years after the death of the founder of the religion. Same happened with Jesus.</p>
<p>It is not good to be a child of a parent who is busy chasing his own tail, spiritually.</p>
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		<title>By: Simond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2017 17:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shantam,
There&#039;s loads of white people I&#039;m happy are undermined too. Trump, for example. I&#039;ve not much time for the Dalai Lama either. 

Don&#039;t know what that makes me? Perhaps you can enlighten?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shantam,<br />
There&#8217;s loads of white people I&#8217;m happy are undermined too. Trump, for example. I&#8217;ve not much time for the Dalai Lama either. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know what that makes me? Perhaps you can enlighten?</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7157#comment-82150</link>
		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2017 17:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prem,
I&#039;m not correcting you, but the kids I came across at the Ashram always seemed a happy lot. They seemed to love being round &#039;grown-ups&#039;; got everywhere as far as I recall; and I also remember a lot of them being pretty assertive and forthright. (Maybe I see this differently, because when I was a kid we roamed for miles for hours when not in school, and I also had boundary-setting parents).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prem,<br />
I&#8217;m not correcting you, but the kids I came across at the Ashram always seemed a happy lot. They seemed to love being round &#8216;grown-ups&#8217;; got everywhere as far as I recall; and I also remember a lot of them being pretty assertive and forthright. (Maybe I see this differently, because when I was a kid we roamed for miles for hours when not in school, and I also had boundary-setting parents).</p>
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		<title>By: Prem</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7157#comment-82148</link>
		<dc:creator>Prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2017 12:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Freakin&#039; hell, children are not seekers of truth... so they don&#039;t belong forcefully in a commune of seekers of truth. 

Living in a commune would be hard even for an adult who has no spiritual inclination.
Sannyasins function in a different way from ordinary people. If you talk too much, people avoid you because you are &quot;sucking energy&quot;. This never happens in the outside world. 

I remember my first time in a commune, 25 years old.... it was hard, I found people&#039;s behaviour weird and inexplicable. There were no explanations. If you are depressed, every member of the community avoids you, because you are &quot;bringing down the energy.&quot; Sometimes people are violent verbally, they shout at you, for insignificant things, in the name of &quot;zen hits&quot;.
Real talk. 

I found a commune a pretty lonely place. If you are in the right positive space, everybody is your friend, but if you are in a negative mood, people avoid you, it feels lonely.

I can only imagine how hard would be for a child to deal with these things.

In the end, the child is the parent&#039;s responsibility. They decided to have those children! Why should it be my responsibility or anywhere else&#039;s?

I had experience in several communes with children who lived there, long or short term, and they were quite lonely and bored. 

It is lonely, because everyone is meditating and focused on himself. Everyone lives in their aloneness.

Maybe it&#039;s different in a hippie commune, where people don&#039;t meditate, children are happy there: but in a commune full of meditators, everyone is focused on himself, so if you are not a meditator -- you feel alone because nobody gives you attention: their attention is focused on their meditation. 

Osho had this idealistic view that &quot;the children will be taken care of by the commune&quot;. 

In reality, nobody gives a hoot.
The parents had them, it&#039;s their responsibility. 

Sometimes you can arrange 2-3 people who can take care of all the children in the commune as a group.
Do you think they will give those kids the same love and attention their mother would? I don&#039;t think so.

Children under 12 need their parent&#039;s attention constantly. 

Children over 12 need their own space and not to be stifled by their parents.

I would recommend communes for children over 12, if the child is under 12 the mother needs to be there for him, available at all times, in the commune. 

Communal living is hard even if you are an adult - let alone a child. 

Maybe a hippie commune where nobody meditates, and everyone is socializing, a child might feel happy.
But meditation communes are for meditators only.

In rare cases where children have a precocious interest in meditation, if they feel happy in such commune, then it&#039;s good. But these are rare exceptions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freakin&#8217; hell, children are not seekers of truth&#8230; so they don&#8217;t belong forcefully in a commune of seekers of truth. </p>
<p>Living in a commune would be hard even for an adult who has no spiritual inclination.<br />
Sannyasins function in a different way from ordinary people. If you talk too much, people avoid you because you are &#8220;sucking energy&#8221;. This never happens in the outside world. </p>
<p>I remember my first time in a commune, 25 years old&#8230;. it was hard, I found people&#8217;s behaviour weird and inexplicable. There were no explanations. If you are depressed, every member of the community avoids you, because you are &#8220;bringing down the energy.&#8221; Sometimes people are violent verbally, they shout at you, for insignificant things, in the name of &#8220;zen hits&#8221;.<br />
Real talk. </p>
<p>I found a commune a pretty lonely place. If you are in the right positive space, everybody is your friend, but if you are in a negative mood, people avoid you, it feels lonely.</p>
<p>I can only imagine how hard would be for a child to deal with these things.</p>
<p>In the end, the child is the parent&#8217;s responsibility. They decided to have those children! Why should it be my responsibility or anywhere else&#8217;s?</p>
<p>I had experience in several communes with children who lived there, long or short term, and they were quite lonely and bored. </p>
<p>It is lonely, because everyone is meditating and focused on himself. Everyone lives in their aloneness.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s different in a hippie commune, where people don&#8217;t meditate, children are happy there: but in a commune full of meditators, everyone is focused on himself, so if you are not a meditator &#8212; you feel alone because nobody gives you attention: their attention is focused on their meditation. </p>
<p>Osho had this idealistic view that &#8220;the children will be taken care of by the commune&#8221;. </p>
<p>In reality, nobody gives a hoot.<br />
The parents had them, it&#8217;s their responsibility. </p>
<p>Sometimes you can arrange 2-3 people who can take care of all the children in the commune as a group.<br />
Do you think they will give those kids the same love and attention their mother would? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Children under 12 need their parent&#8217;s attention constantly. </p>
<p>Children over 12 need their own space and not to be stifled by their parents.</p>
<p>I would recommend communes for children over 12, if the child is under 12 the mother needs to be there for him, available at all times, in the commune. </p>
<p>Communal living is hard even if you are an adult &#8211; let alone a child. </p>
<p>Maybe a hippie commune where nobody meditates, and everyone is socializing, a child might feel happy.<br />
But meditation communes are for meditators only.</p>
<p>In rare cases where children have a precocious interest in meditation, if they feel happy in such commune, then it&#8217;s good. But these are rare exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7157#comment-82144</link>
		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2017 11:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vijay,
From where you got this authority to write such a sweeping statement, &quot;Arun lives in the dream he is a spiritual person&quot;?

Can we see your awakened face, dear Vijay*?! 
*(Vijay means victory)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vijay,<br />
From where you got this authority to write such a sweeping statement, &#8220;Arun lives in the dream he is a spiritual person&#8221;?</p>
<p>Can we see your awakened face, dear Vijay*?!<br />
*(Vijay means victory)</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7157#comment-82143</link>
		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2017 11:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simond, do you want to undermine Arun because he is not white, yet white Russians treat him as Dalai Lama is in the lineage of Buddha?
Racial jealousy is humane!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simond, do you want to undermine Arun because he is not white, yet white Russians treat him as Dalai Lama is in the lineage of Buddha?<br />
Racial jealousy is humane!</p>
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		<title>By: Kavita</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7157#comment-82141</link>
		<dc:creator>Kavita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2017 09:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS: 
Seems he loved to live close to the dead!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS:<br />
Seems he loved to live close to the dead!</p>
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		<title>By: Kavita</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7157#comment-82138</link>
		<dc:creator>Kavita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2017 07:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[‘Family is dead. Commune is the future’? - In my observation , Osho started the commune as an experiment and seems it  has had its failure/ success even when he was alive , the graph of that fluctuated time and again .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Family is dead. Commune is the future’? &#8211; In my observation , Osho started the commune as an experiment and seems it  has had its failure/ success even when he was alive , the graph of that fluctuated time and again .</p>
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		<title>By: vijay</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7157#comment-82133</link>
		<dc:creator>vijay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2017 04:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arun lives in the dream he is a spiritual person.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arun lives in the dream he is a spiritual person.</p>
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		<title>By: preetam</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7157#comment-82132</link>
		<dc:creator>preetam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2017 02:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, thx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, thx</p>
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