Your take on ´interdependence´is not mine, I guess, reading your response of yesterday evening.

I’ve given it a try, to speak of energetic fields in the realms of human conditioning and its natural limitations as a fact of life itself, a life where we all are inter-connected. Deeply.

The apparent failure to respond into what is commonly seen today as a ´healthy way´ to respond to conditionings may be seen tomorrow as a necessary stepping stone on the way to grow – and vice versa.

To say, I don´t really know, and to really mean it, needs courage but creates space, a space, NOT to know and to leave the matrix of ´yes-no´ or ´if-when-then´.

So much so I love to sit in Silence with friends of Silence, getting a tongue tip of a Peace with ´what is´, that surpasses all understanding of the mind.

A recreation-zone. (How to share that with and in an algorithm-play? I don´t know).

Madhu

About Madonna, whom he assures his readers that “enneagram buffs” such as himself agree is an obvious `three`, he reveals:
“Relationships have been important for this star, but always took second place to her career.”
Wow! That is what I call insight. How does he do it?

Book me in for a session next week, but I`ll have to do some serious psychic work on myself first…
by having a lobotomy!

And a Master is not free of it, but deals with such in quite some very ´another´ way, a way we mostly can not comprehend and understand fully – as it depends on our maturity, getting glimpses here and there. Trying our best to ‘embody’ our glimpses of understanding.

And too sad that some, especially here in this chat, may have been getting stuck in travelling the pilgrimage from here-to-here with drugs of any kind.

Too bad and sorry for that (re from where I see).

The Interdependence Issue serves as a bridge of understanding – and – if that plant is allowed to grow – may ease some pain, Parmartha, about the ´short-cut´ of Life (in the Body) of a Loved-One.

Or – Satchit – more heart-understanding may dissolve the vanity of some of your posts, like that (at 2.04 pm), where in my eyesight you cover (?) up: maybe some self-pride, maybe some bitterness, maybe also some pain, with indifference of a short-cut three-liner?

Seems daring for me, to remind the Inter-DE-Pendence-Issue here. In the Here-Now and Always, and for every sentient living Being in a body, such is working.

With Love to ongoing Life in all its Imperfections,

Madhu

How to solve the conundrum disciple/pusher that eventually (you say) other people around him, apart from Devageet, have lived?

For me, ‘surrender’ does not mean ‘yes-man’, and especially when the Master is such because he has spent a lifetime to emancipate us from the slavery of priests and politicians.

Be it clear, hindsight speaking: after 30-40 years from the facts and admitting that all this hi-story of his need for pain relievers is true, or so relevant to Osho’s health more than that other history of thallium, milk and other poisons.

And I’m not saying that I would solve the conundrum at that time.

But today, it is so hard to imagine that Osho was honest when he said that “love” is measured by the freedom we accord to our loved, even that one to say to us “no!!!!”?

This my contribution to solving the conundrum, if it is existentially grounded in love and trust for Osho, has as a consequence that another misleading distinction, apart from a disciple/pusher, would be absorbed into it, that of devotee/disciple – but leave to you the choice to change the topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llOFqBlSsTA

Ciao,

VF

Many, but not all who were full commune members realised that we were living alongside someone who was in ecstasy, and we knew that in Pune 1 also, and that ecstasy was not dependent on anything.

The game with nitrous may have had all sorts of motives.

THE MAIN THING FROM MY POINT OF VIEW IS THAT IT FURTHER DAMAGED HIS HEALTH, AND VERY BADLY. Those around him did sometimes try and stop the volume of his intake, but he just insisted by using the Master/disciple surrender paradigm. To me, it was a shame that his life was cut short in that way, but he made more of his time than almost anyone else….

Funny that things repeat: the nitrous stuff was already talked here more than 6 years ago.

http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/957