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	<title>Comments on: Indian Journalist Imprisoned for quoting Osho on Shiva</title>
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		<title>By: Parmartha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parmartha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2017 01:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Binary choice? 
Surely the writer needs to examine this at a deeper level. 

What character is shown if one is really disturbed/critical of/or whatever, if  one just stays around for the &quot;goodies&quot;?  And maybe the writer should define these goodies. A good sex life, and plenty of what others would call Buddhafield osmosis..?) Such things were available elsewhere, outside the confines of an Osho commune,  and where he had (at the time) such major and  silently held misgivings. 

For me, no choice at all if I held such misgivings. I would have left, and in a hurry. 
In my own case, I always felt I was part of something that did not make any sense empirically, etc., but felt without hesitation that &quot;something was going on here&quot; and it touched the shores of ordinary ecstasy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Binary choice?<br />
Surely the writer needs to examine this at a deeper level. </p>
<p>What character is shown if one is really disturbed/critical of/or whatever, if  one just stays around for the &#8220;goodies&#8221;?  And maybe the writer should define these goodies. A good sex life, and plenty of what others would call Buddhafield osmosis..?) Such things were available elsewhere, outside the confines of an Osho commune,  and where he had (at the time) such major and  silently held misgivings. </p>
<p>For me, no choice at all if I held such misgivings. I would have left, and in a hurry.<br />
In my own case, I always felt I was part of something that did not make any sense empirically, etc., but felt without hesitation that &#8220;something was going on here&#8221; and it touched the shores of ordinary ecstasy.</p>
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		<title>By: dominic</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6739#comment-79717</link>
		<dc:creator>dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the context of conservative Hinduism and Shivaratri, Aseem&#039;s post is blasphemous and knowingly provocative. And why use Osho to give yourself authority, and not just write what you think?

You were always free to leave Osho&#039;s place if you didn&#039;t agree with things, as he pointed out. 

It was a binary choice. Stay and shut up, or be kept in the dark or look the other way, because of the goodies you are getting, or leave. Not much middle ground or wiggle room. Works for some, I guess.

For me, the enlightened dictatorship/guru principle is a fail, and ultimately disempowers people and rots the organisation from within.

Btw, who is this &quot;one blogger&quot;? Inquiring minds need to know!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the context of conservative Hinduism and Shivaratri, Aseem&#8217;s post is blasphemous and knowingly provocative. And why use Osho to give yourself authority, and not just write what you think?</p>
<p>You were always free to leave Osho&#8217;s place if you didn&#8217;t agree with things, as he pointed out. </p>
<p>It was a binary choice. Stay and shut up, or be kept in the dark or look the other way, because of the goodies you are getting, or leave. Not much middle ground or wiggle room. Works for some, I guess.</p>
<p>For me, the enlightened dictatorship/guru principle is a fail, and ultimately disempowers people and rots the organisation from within.</p>
<p>Btw, who is this &#8220;one blogger&#8221;? Inquiring minds need to know!</p>
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		<title>By: dominic</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6739#comment-79716</link>
		<dc:creator>dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Methinks thou doth protest too much&quot; about bitterness and gallic acid, and that it&#039;s being triggered in you. 

The rest of what you say I cannot follow. It is scattered and disjointed for me, not just an English translation problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Methinks thou doth protest too much&#8221; about bitterness and gallic acid, and that it&#8217;s being triggered in you. </p>
<p>The rest of what you say I cannot follow. It is scattered and disjointed for me, not just an English translation problem.</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6739#comment-79715</link>
		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deepak Aseem has misquoted  Osho in a very mischievous way and utterly out of context, and has earned to have jail experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deepak Aseem has misquoted  Osho in a very mischievous way and utterly out of context, and has earned to have jail experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Parmartha</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6739#comment-79714</link>
		<dc:creator>Parmartha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This string is about Deepak Aseem and him quoting Osho and ending up in jail. It is not, for example, about blasphemy; that might or might not be an interesting topic,  but it is not here. 

Shantam thinks that Aseem is actually a Muslim. But has not provided any link to show that. If he is, then any attack in a Muslim culture of Hinduism would not end in jail as one blogger says here!! 

One who joined Osho&#039;s Mystery School was never arraigned and forced to stay in it, if there were disquiet about being within it. The door was always open. Paradoxically enough, some who were encouraged to leave as not being ready for it, or for whatever reason, often stayed! (Example, Swami Sudesh). 

One blogger here seems to be saying he just shut up. But frankly, had I been around anywhere, in or out of an Osho commune, I would have left if I felt that I was buttoning my lip all the time, and as I say, the door was always open.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This string is about Deepak Aseem and him quoting Osho and ending up in jail. It is not, for example, about blasphemy; that might or might not be an interesting topic,  but it is not here. </p>
<p>Shantam thinks that Aseem is actually a Muslim. But has not provided any link to show that. If he is, then any attack in a Muslim culture of Hinduism would not end in jail as one blogger says here!! </p>
<p>One who joined Osho&#8217;s Mystery School was never arraigned and forced to stay in it, if there were disquiet about being within it. The door was always open. Paradoxically enough, some who were encouraged to leave as not being ready for it, or for whatever reason, often stayed! (Example, Swami Sudesh). </p>
<p>One blogger here seems to be saying he just shut up. But frankly, had I been around anywhere, in or out of an Osho commune, I would have left if I felt that I was buttoning my lip all the time, and as I say, the door was always open.</p>
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		<title>By: Parmartha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parmartha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Tan</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6739#comment-79711</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, Madhu! Really enjoyed reading it. Thanks! XXX]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Madhu! Really enjoyed reading it. Thanks! XXX</p>
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		<title>By: swamishanti</title>
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		<dc:creator>swamishanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vilas Tupe has a history of failing to assemble hit-sqauds of fanatics, it seems:
 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/First-suicide-squad-was-set-up-in-Pune-2-years-ago/articleshow/28605046.cms]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vilas Tupe has a history of failing to assemble hit-sqauds of fanatics, it seems:<br />
 <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/First-suicide-squad-was-set-up-in-Pune-2-years-ago/articleshow/28605046.cms" rel="nofollow">http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/First-suicide-squad-was-set-up-in-Pune-2-years-ago/articleshow/28605046.cms</a></p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6739#comment-79709</link>
		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Multiple, multiple standards are happening, Dominic, a multitude of them; no possibility to escape a consciousness about it, if you live, for example, as a woman (targeted and isolated) in a climate where - in times of, not to deny, strong crises - collective unconsciousness and traumata  reviving these kind  energy(-ies) and also bringing them onto the surface - and their manifestations then! In, for example, ´Honour Killing´, ´Blood Vengeance´, ´Medieval (post-modern) Secret Trials and Executions&#039;, executed Torture ( in our area presumably the ´white torture one´, praised and executed by an unconscious MOB).

Or - you may experience in some´system constellation procedures the nodding (of a majority) in agreement in hindsight about a real so-called ´Collateral Damage´. And that ´Damage&#039; then might be ´you´...
 
Yes, a multitude of ´standards´, indeed. 
When Osho said &quot;civilisation has not happened yet&quot; and a Mystery School of Meditation was founded, He said what He meant and meant what He said.

And a multitude of levels of conciousnesses being brought into awareness in such a refugee camp of Meditation is no ´Blasphemy´ ever.

And about Meditation and what comes up individually in the processings, you cannot have a ´discussion´like in a Scientist´s Lab.

At the most and at the best, you can share what came up in your very ´you´.

And if you dare to do that openly, it&#039;s not in your hands nowadays what some multitude of receivers in very uncivilized, precarious times, make out of it, according to their levels of consciousness.

Taking Refuge in Meditation is one of the most beautiful offers, if not the most beautiful.

And there is more than ´some meaning´ in learning to understand moment to moment Life´s calamities, as Life´s joys as part of such a mysterious Refugee Camp of a Meditation Mystery-School. 

I am not at all up to annoy you, Dominic.
The bitter cup you mostly offer is well known to me, also much of the consequences that that has, when drinking too much of a bitter cup.

Madhu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Multiple, multiple standards are happening, Dominic, a multitude of them; no possibility to escape a consciousness about it, if you live, for example, as a woman (targeted and isolated) in a climate where &#8211; in times of, not to deny, strong crises &#8211; collective unconsciousness and traumata  reviving these kind  energy(-ies) and also bringing them onto the surface &#8211; and their manifestations then! In, for example, ´Honour Killing´, ´Blood Vengeance´, ´Medieval (post-modern) Secret Trials and Executions&#8217;, executed Torture ( in our area presumably the ´white torture one´, praised and executed by an unconscious MOB).</p>
<p>Or &#8211; you may experience in some´system constellation procedures the nodding (of a majority) in agreement in hindsight about a real so-called ´Collateral Damage´. And that ´Damage&#8217; then might be ´you´&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, a multitude of ´standards´, indeed.<br />
When Osho said &#8220;civilisation has not happened yet&#8221; and a Mystery School of Meditation was founded, He said what He meant and meant what He said.</p>
<p>And a multitude of levels of conciousnesses being brought into awareness in such a refugee camp of Meditation is no ´Blasphemy´ ever.</p>
<p>And about Meditation and what comes up individually in the processings, you cannot have a ´discussion´like in a Scientist´s Lab.</p>
<p>At the most and at the best, you can share what came up in your very ´you´.</p>
<p>And if you dare to do that openly, it&#8217;s not in your hands nowadays what some multitude of receivers in very uncivilized, precarious times, make out of it, according to their levels of consciousness.</p>
<p>Taking Refuge in Meditation is one of the most beautiful offers, if not the most beautiful.</p>
<p>And there is more than ´some meaning´ in learning to understand moment to moment Life´s calamities, as Life´s joys as part of such a mysterious Refugee Camp of a Meditation Mystery-School. </p>
<p>I am not at all up to annoy you, Dominic.<br />
The bitter cup you mostly offer is well known to me, also much of the consequences that that has, when drinking too much of a bitter cup.</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6739#comment-79707</link>
		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2017 22:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am deeply touched by the story of one young British girl  raped and murdered in Goa by local chap. This story is over all in British newspapers, sadly not given that much coverage in Indian media. 

To be true, I feel more secured and protected in non-meditative West than even in my own country and I am not a woman! This is one reason I have deep deep love and respect for Christianity. 

It is pity many westerns have forgotten their roots. It is fucking fashion to blame organised religions, I think other than one or two, most of them are holding hands and consoling humanity whenever need arises.

Let me say in this way, most of the sannyasins too in their old age will find comfort in the old people´s home built by Christian missionaries! 

One can ask, where Osho´s Mukta has spent her last years? This is the woman who financed first property in Pune and honoured by Osho to be one of twenty-one in his last act of fair trade and balance of power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am deeply touched by the story of one young British girl  raped and murdered in Goa by local chap. This story is over all in British newspapers, sadly not given that much coverage in Indian media. </p>
<p>To be true, I feel more secured and protected in non-meditative West than even in my own country and I am not a woman! This is one reason I have deep deep love and respect for Christianity. </p>
<p>It is pity many westerns have forgotten their roots. It is fucking fashion to blame organised religions, I think other than one or two, most of them are holding hands and consoling humanity whenever need arises.</p>
<p>Let me say in this way, most of the sannyasins too in their old age will find comfort in the old people´s home built by Christian missionaries! </p>
<p>One can ask, where Osho´s Mukta has spent her last years? This is the woman who financed first property in Pune and honoured by Osho to be one of twenty-one in his last act of fair trade and balance of power.</p>
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