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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 16:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those values ran parallel to sixties hedonism, if you will, all through the decade. Mocking and deriding was going on, but still at play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those values ran parallel to sixties hedonism, if you will, all through the decade. Mocking and deriding was going on, but still at play.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 15:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A perfect Englishman talks about how to live life according to the Master&#039;s guidelines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-kW9IB-ZNE]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A perfect Englishman talks about how to live life according to the Master&#8217;s guidelines:</p>
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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 15:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good advice, Kusum - I&#039;m with you on that one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good advice, Kusum &#8211; I&#8217;m with you on that one.</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 15:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;does that mean you were sporting frilly, colourful, sexy ‘n’ lacy lingerie underneath your robe in an effort to aesthetically satisfy yourself and others present, on the occasions you did in fact get your kit off?&quot;

Er, no, I don&#039;t believe I did, Ashok.

Methinks you&#039;re trying a bit too hard....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;does that mean you were sporting frilly, colourful, sexy ‘n’ lacy lingerie underneath your robe in an effort to aesthetically satisfy yourself and others present, on the occasions you did in fact get your kit off?&#8221;</p>
<p>Er, no, I don&#8217;t believe I did, Ashok.</p>
<p>Methinks you&#8217;re trying a bit too hard&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: prem martyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>prem martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 14:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ashok, it&#039;s hard work typing away at a blank screen, so it&#039;s only cos I&#039;m in rain-soaked Wales with the &#039;flu do I get the inclination to be here at all. The pubs down the road with talent nights, discussion evenings etc. do their best but I refuse to go back down the ladder of humanity in jocular conviviality, because it&#039;s simply unaesthetic and doesn&#039;t sponsor what I really want to offer.

Where the Raels are screwed up is that they consciously have to displace their integrity, firstly, by confirming the absence of  a deity and immediately instead replacing this credulity with the &#039;belief&#039; in the presence of angels and aliens and this apparently benign man, their Michelin white tyre man who helps them become emotionally dissociative, ideological , symbolic (they don&#039;t do therapy) but who gets them the goods i.e. the sexual licence going. Belief has its pay-off then. Like the Rasputin in Mexico. Mutual back stroking, musical or otherwise.

They then peer mirror, entrusting the idea that if you agree that I&#039;m a fake then we can both move in fake &#039;style&#039; or borrowed identity and our concordance will help us overlook our potentially polarising egos, over which we have little or no facility to translate into mutual recognition.

As regards your question, you must ask for what you really want. Being curious about the shenanigans on the Ranch and so on is nothing more than reading the Beano, when it&#039;s not used to rebuild and reinvent the wheel, now.

You must know that our own Super Michelin tyre man (Osho, complete with Star Wars outfits) spoke in meandering ways which were perhaps ungraspable with a clutching hand. That does not mean to say that the imperceptible quality did not permeate the heart and still has that potential to permeate and stir and provoke. 

One thing I was reminded of recently in  Gurdjieff&#039;s work, which makes so much sense and is useable - is that every sense impression, every moment of today&#039;s colour, emotion, taste, sound and energising activity is in awareness...and from that it can be sent and distilled in presence. Just the shift and the knowingness to do that. It doesn&#039;t work if one doesn&#039;t apply to it. The Work, or the Play, it&#039;s our call.

We metamorphose through Osho&#039;s presence and that cellular revisiting in vibration more or less in some way each day and more so by remembering in practice. This was the gift that a living embodiment (Osho) of energetic transformation gives. It is redemptive and is a part of what Leonard Cohen ached to describe and sing.

When you talk of the work of the libido and its varieties, I am reminded of the man whom others know as big KP. In one of the darshan diaries (and forgive me, readers, that I mention this again) KP in the 70s was into SM sex and he told Osho this in one of the evenings recorded for posterity. 

Osho said in brief that it wasn&#039;t an issue to be guilty about, just find an equal partner who enjoys it too, and further suggesting there would be plenty.

Being conscious in any activity is also a consensual thing, and so it is with going to the edge of the edge in oneself. There is no map I have found or give and to proscribe or permit any given relating or consensual activity spiritually labelled or otherwises whatever in my very, very limited experience. 

There is no BUT. So others&#039; opinions really don&#039;t count unless there needs be a common intent or arrangement.

I am delighted to have met so many new Osho lovers this year. We have had a lot...a lot of fun and trust that will be available for years and years to come. Long may this Osho continue.

Love.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashok, it&#8217;s hard work typing away at a blank screen, so it&#8217;s only cos I&#8217;m in rain-soaked Wales with the &#8216;flu do I get the inclination to be here at all. The pubs down the road with talent nights, discussion evenings etc. do their best but I refuse to go back down the ladder of humanity in jocular conviviality, because it&#8217;s simply unaesthetic and doesn&#8217;t sponsor what I really want to offer.</p>
<p>Where the Raels are screwed up is that they consciously have to displace their integrity, firstly, by confirming the absence of  a deity and immediately instead replacing this credulity with the &#8216;belief&#8217; in the presence of angels and aliens and this apparently benign man, their Michelin white tyre man who helps them become emotionally dissociative, ideological , symbolic (they don&#8217;t do therapy) but who gets them the goods i.e. the sexual licence going. Belief has its pay-off then. Like the Rasputin in Mexico. Mutual back stroking, musical or otherwise.</p>
<p>They then peer mirror, entrusting the idea that if you agree that I&#8217;m a fake then we can both move in fake &#8216;style&#8217; or borrowed identity and our concordance will help us overlook our potentially polarising egos, over which we have little or no facility to translate into mutual recognition.</p>
<p>As regards your question, you must ask for what you really want. Being curious about the shenanigans on the Ranch and so on is nothing more than reading the Beano, when it&#8217;s not used to rebuild and reinvent the wheel, now.</p>
<p>You must know that our own Super Michelin tyre man (Osho, complete with Star Wars outfits) spoke in meandering ways which were perhaps ungraspable with a clutching hand. That does not mean to say that the imperceptible quality did not permeate the heart and still has that potential to permeate and stir and provoke. </p>
<p>One thing I was reminded of recently in  Gurdjieff&#8217;s work, which makes so much sense and is useable &#8211; is that every sense impression, every moment of today&#8217;s colour, emotion, taste, sound and energising activity is in awareness&#8230;and from that it can be sent and distilled in presence. Just the shift and the knowingness to do that. It doesn&#8217;t work if one doesn&#8217;t apply to it. The Work, or the Play, it&#8217;s our call.</p>
<p>We metamorphose through Osho&#8217;s presence and that cellular revisiting in vibration more or less in some way each day and more so by remembering in practice. This was the gift that a living embodiment (Osho) of energetic transformation gives. It is redemptive and is a part of what Leonard Cohen ached to describe and sing.</p>
<p>When you talk of the work of the libido and its varieties, I am reminded of the man whom others know as big KP. In one of the darshan diaries (and forgive me, readers, that I mention this again) KP in the 70s was into SM sex and he told Osho this in one of the evenings recorded for posterity. </p>
<p>Osho said in brief that it wasn&#8217;t an issue to be guilty about, just find an equal partner who enjoys it too, and further suggesting there would be plenty.</p>
<p>Being conscious in any activity is also a consensual thing, and so it is with going to the edge of the edge in oneself. There is no map I have found or give and to proscribe or permit any given relating or consensual activity spiritually labelled or otherwises whatever in my very, very limited experience. </p>
<p>There is no BUT. So others&#8217; opinions really don&#8217;t count unless there needs be a common intent or arrangement.</p>
<p>I am delighted to have met so many new Osho lovers this year. We have had a lot&#8230;a lot of fun and trust that will be available for years and years to come. Long may this Osho continue.</p>
<p>Love.</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 13:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Studio and live version. 

Rave on. Van Morrisson. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv49jlyX-co

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26W2Ybiq-jU]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Studio and live version. </p>
<p>Rave on. Van Morrisson. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv49jlyX-co" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv49jlyX-co</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26W2Ybiq-jU" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26W2Ybiq-jU</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6438#comment-78073</link>
		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 12:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In fact, Ashok, a rather puritanical idea of how an Osho sannyasin should behave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, Ashok, a rather puritanical idea of how an Osho sannyasin should behave.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6438#comment-78072</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 12:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ashok,
Of course! Osho never hid it! I remember very well him calling his sannyasins sado-masochists and, you forgot to point out, schizophrenics.

Couldn&#039;t be other way, don&#039;t you think so? If not, why we needed a Master?  

Cheers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashok,<br />
Of course! Osho never hid it! I remember very well him calling his sannyasins sado-masochists and, you forgot to point out, schizophrenics.</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t be other way, don&#8217;t you think so? If not, why we needed a Master?  </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6438#comment-78071</link>
		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 12:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I suspect there might be a grain of truth to my principal postulate of sado-masochistic tendency...&quot;

I think there is some truth to this, although sado-masochism is too strong a word, but I have felt something extremely puritanical has been going on among us, and its inversion. (Working through something puritanical has definitely been true of me).

Given the first rush of sannyasins were individuals who had lived throughout the 2nd world war, been in the forces, and their children, who had been reared according to armed forces values, &#039;we are at war&#039; values; not surprising really.

I am getting a strong feeling you have a very stereotypical idea of what meditation is about. That people who go into meditation are good, should be good in a Christian sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I suspect there might be a grain of truth to my principal postulate of sado-masochistic tendency&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I think there is some truth to this, although sado-masochism is too strong a word, but I have felt something extremely puritanical has been going on among us, and its inversion. (Working through something puritanical has definitely been true of me).</p>
<p>Given the first rush of sannyasins were individuals who had lived throughout the 2nd world war, been in the forces, and their children, who had been reared according to armed forces values, &#8216;we are at war&#8217; values; not surprising really.</p>
<p>I am getting a strong feeling you have a very stereotypical idea of what meditation is about. That people who go into meditation are good, should be good in a Christian sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6438#comment-78070</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 11:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Satyadeva

&quot;You confuse prudery with aesthetics.&quot;

I see I do you a disservice, Swami Satyadeva!  Please accept my sincerest apologies. Aesthetics, eh? Please allow me to re-dress the balance then: does that mean you were sporting frilly, colourful, sexy &#039;n&#039; lacy lingerie underneath your robe in an effort to aesthetically satisfy yourself and others present, on the occasions you did in fact get your kit off? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more, eh, guv? 

So Ladies &amp; Gentlemen, Trannies etc. in an effort to move away from some light-hearted teasing of the Right Honourable SD, and spare him any possible embarrassment and blushing in the event I happen to accidentally hit a nerve (which regrettably seems to happen sometimes!), I shall at this juncture move my focus towards a more &#039;serious endeavour&#039;, none other than the topic of the thread itself  - &#039;A Perfect Englishman&#039;!

As there seems to be an awful lot of stuff currently flying around on the air-waves related to nudity, sexual imagery and so on, I decided the time was right to address an issue that has been smouldering in my mind for some time now...

And that is, I would like to consider the proposition that Osho, whilst he was still alive, frequently attracted those who were partly motivated by a desire for deviant sexual activity - namely, sado-masochism. In fact, I would argue further, that the common denominator that drove many towards the Master, was an overwhelming urge, either conscious or otherwise, to indulge in a full-blown, real-life, sado-masochistic adventure/masquerade!

Various indications for this proposition are evident: Osho frequently insisted in his talks on the need for a &#039;Master&#039; whilst on the journey of spiritual advancement with him; he constantly demanded obedience and submission to his will by obliging his disciples at times, to don certain kinds of uniform clothes, and at others, to the taking on of new identities, or to the performing of physically abusive and tortuous meditation techniques, like Dynamic, for example. And so on, and so on...

The more I think about it, the more the whole &#039;living  master&#039; trip with Osho begins to look like some kind of SM contract/deal, knowingly or unknowingly entered into.

Possibly for some followers, participating in sado-masochism  symbolised an act of rebellion against the kind of rigid and repressive sexual conditioning that they had experienced  earlier in their formative years, when perfectly natural sexual urges and feelings had been squashed in a vain attempt to create some kind of  adulterated human model of sexually-inhibited behaviour e.g. the Perfect Englishman (of Victorian fame), for example.

IMPORTANT NOTE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE VIEWING PUBLIC AT LARGE:
Whilst some of what I have written here has quite clearly been done in the pursuit of &#039;mild&#039; humour, I suspect there might be a grain of truth to my principal postulate of sado-masochistic tendency and willingness, forming a basic and necessary part of the psychological make-up of many who answered the call to follow Osho, when he was &#039;still in the body&#039;.

Is there anyone out there who is prepared to &#039;fess up&#039;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Satyadeva</p>
<p>&#8220;You confuse prudery with aesthetics.&#8221;</p>
<p>I see I do you a disservice, Swami Satyadeva!  Please accept my sincerest apologies. Aesthetics, eh? Please allow me to re-dress the balance then: does that mean you were sporting frilly, colourful, sexy &#8216;n&#8217; lacy lingerie underneath your robe in an effort to aesthetically satisfy yourself and others present, on the occasions you did in fact get your kit off? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more, eh, guv? </p>
<p>So Ladies &#038; Gentlemen, Trannies etc. in an effort to move away from some light-hearted teasing of the Right Honourable SD, and spare him any possible embarrassment and blushing in the event I happen to accidentally hit a nerve (which regrettably seems to happen sometimes!), I shall at this juncture move my focus towards a more &#8216;serious endeavour&#8217;, none other than the topic of the thread itself  &#8211; &#8216;A Perfect Englishman&#8217;!</p>
<p>As there seems to be an awful lot of stuff currently flying around on the air-waves related to nudity, sexual imagery and so on, I decided the time was right to address an issue that has been smouldering in my mind for some time now&#8230;</p>
<p>And that is, I would like to consider the proposition that Osho, whilst he was still alive, frequently attracted those who were partly motivated by a desire for deviant sexual activity &#8211; namely, sado-masochism. In fact, I would argue further, that the common denominator that drove many towards the Master, was an overwhelming urge, either conscious or otherwise, to indulge in a full-blown, real-life, sado-masochistic adventure/masquerade!</p>
<p>Various indications for this proposition are evident: Osho frequently insisted in his talks on the need for a &#8216;Master&#8217; whilst on the journey of spiritual advancement with him; he constantly demanded obedience and submission to his will by obliging his disciples at times, to don certain kinds of uniform clothes, and at others, to the taking on of new identities, or to the performing of physically abusive and tortuous meditation techniques, like Dynamic, for example. And so on, and so on&#8230;</p>
<p>The more I think about it, the more the whole &#8216;living  master&#8217; trip with Osho begins to look like some kind of SM contract/deal, knowingly or unknowingly entered into.</p>
<p>Possibly for some followers, participating in sado-masochism  symbolised an act of rebellion against the kind of rigid and repressive sexual conditioning that they had experienced  earlier in their formative years, when perfectly natural sexual urges and feelings had been squashed in a vain attempt to create some kind of  adulterated human model of sexually-inhibited behaviour e.g. the Perfect Englishman (of Victorian fame), for example.</p>
<p>IMPORTANT NOTE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE VIEWING PUBLIC AT LARGE:<br />
Whilst some of what I have written here has quite clearly been done in the pursuit of &#8216;mild&#8217; humour, I suspect there might be a grain of truth to my principal postulate of sado-masochistic tendency and willingness, forming a basic and necessary part of the psychological make-up of many who answered the call to follow Osho, when he was &#8216;still in the body&#8217;.</p>
<p>Is there anyone out there who is prepared to &#8216;fess up&#8217;?</p>
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