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		<description><![CDATA[Very arduous to dipict what is the final call

But one thing can be said: 
           It&#039;s not possible that the world can escape from the greatest Master ever walked on our planet--- OSHO

Dear Friends!!!
Here I would like to tell the whole world that Ragging is pure violence. There are other ways to be playful. There&#039;s a very famous Osho book: Shiksha Me Kranti, Revolution in Education, which has been in circulation for last 40 years. The 3 Idiots script and film is based on the Osho vision. Read the book and you wud find it out yourself. Another book in English is Glimpses of Golden Childhood by Osho. Osho shows us the way, specially those of us who are teachers and students. We are happy to see Osho vision unfolding thru movies and novels and stories. 

I say the success of THREE IDIOTS is none other than OSHO

Poets, politicians, painters, philosophers, journalists, directors...steal as much as you can, from me and my literature regardless of whether you mention my name or not. What I am speaking is not mine though it is happening through me. I happen to be the medium. What I am speaking is eternal and everlasting. I am simply the empty flute and the song of existence is flowing from it. But really what I am speaking is important, not the one who is speaking. But remember those who love me, know me and understand me, they will simply recognize it. You can not hide it in any way. My statements will surface from the whole orchestra; they will pulsate; they will be radiant enough to eclipse the eyes of the intelligent ones. Osho, the 20th century mystic from Indian soil, knows very well the very nerves of human Nature and it is why he has already spoken everything that one is yet to know, accomplish and execute. 
When for the very first time I glimpsed the trailor of the movie Three Idiots, and there I saw Madhavan (FARAHAN) speaking as: even to be born I had to fight with three hundred million sperms. The one that won in that race was me. I simply recognized the voice of our beloved Master OSHO. 
And when I watched the movie, Osho was found everywhere blowing the walls of our dreams. Even the lines composed in the song: 
                                                         Bahati hawao sa tha wo,
                                                         Odati patang sa tha wo...
                                                         Hamko to thi raah chalati
                                                         Wo khud apni raah banata  
                                                         Humko kal ki fikra satati
                                                         Wo bas aaj ka jashn manata...
                                                         Hum sahame se rehata kue me
                                                         Wo nadiyo me gote lata
                                                         Ulatee dhara cheer ke chalta tha wo...
                                                         Badal Awara tha wo
                                                         Pyaar humara thaa wo...
The biographical sketch of Rancho Ranchhor Das Chanchad is aslo derived from the Master. We should here be reminded of Osho having been called in America as Rancho Rajneesh. 
After the movie got released, I became very surprised at the claim made by Chetan Bhagat that the story is derived from His famous novel Five Point someone. 
Surprised- because this sort of story can be found from any College. The great writer&#039;s hankering for being recognized simply indicates that his own world is so poor that he needs them to get compensated.  
OSHO has always been telling us that if anyone is impressed by any poetry or good piece of work, then never try to  go to meet the man who has written them. Because your whole sense of poetry will be marred. You will get all your sense of receptivity spoiled. What they do is to fill the gap through them and it becomes a sort of consolation to them. And it is because of this they never fail to cling to it, for that is their only treasure. 
Generally the poets, novelists, great writers live their life just opposite of what they write. Once OSHO gave an example of one of the best poets in Hindi Sahitya, Ramdhari Singh Dinkar who is known to have written great heroic poems and who was a regular visitor to Osho Discourses. He always tries to know the ways of how sweets and diabetes can go together. Always talking to Him about politics, sons having gone astray and the likewise. Osho used to tell him: Dinkar! my whole sense of poetry is spoiled when I read your poems because you come in between the lines talking about all the rubbish. Dinkar said,&quot;Bhagwan, I am not twenty four hours a Poet.&quot; Osho said,&quot;Come, when you are!&quot; Actually the inner life should flower. The man should be recognized by not what he writes or speakes but by what he is and how he lives. But Dinkar was personally very timid man . 
So far as the content of the movie is concerned, I have asked just one question to the people at large whether the dialogue delivery of the film is also there in Chetan Bhagat&#039;s book to whosoever has read his Five Point Someone. I was responded from every corner: No. I contemplated that anyone can easily manage to make a story like the movie Three Idiots if he goes to any reputed Engineering College of the Country and tries to know the life and the milieu there. But I can say for sure that the philosophy rendered behind that movie is not possible than to have already gone from the teachings of the Master Osho. 
Though I say that if one could understand the basic message of the movie, one will only stept on the first ladder of the whole world of Osho; the world that is everybody&#039;s birth right. The Buddhahood that is everyone&#039;s essential Nature. We have not yet been able to make ourselves even to understand the first step of the whole ladder. 
Three Idiots is great in this sense as it can prove a stepping stone to move towards the whole ocean of Freedom, Bliss and Love.
It was in this sense Osho spoke a book entitled Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Aur which people totally misunderstood. They did not even read it and they critisized. Every step of a ladder has got equal importance and place. No one can be replaced. 
Appraisal of  Three Idiots is a good sign as it indicates that perhaps people can understand. And of the greatest importance is to understand oneself.Understanding oneself is very simple but because of man&#039;s incessant sifting from this very moment has made him hereft from it. The whole exercise of Science, the total effort of mankind in making the world better, the complete Education system if they do not let us dwell into reaching our Essential Nature, everything done in the world is simply a stupid and idiotic game which will keep man weeping, crying, frustrated and compelled to live a life of meloncholy. 
The movie has become the greatest hit ever. But I have asked to so many movie watchers as to what is the principal message intended to be conveyed by the movie. I am surprised. Not even a single individual I could find who could be able to confer the real message. They liked, loved and are influnced by it but they are found confused and bewildered at the very living philosophy shown in the movie.
Osho says: there is no difference between the character and understanding. Understanding is that part of character which is not visible; and character is that part of  understanding which is visible. So it never happens that one understands and does something else other that what he understands. We know anger is not good but we never give up any chance of expressing them when the moment comes. Therefore, as far as I am concerned, Three Idiots is a turning point which can pave the path for the world to understand OSHO whom the world has still been missing. In fact, we are not understanding what we are missing.
Soon the moment will come when the world will face its final collapse if Osho is not understood. As Bertrand Russell in one of his essays Science and War says that man is such as he will choose death if he has an alternative between death and understanding. At last, he says: I hope I am wrong.
I appreciate the brilliant attempt of all the characters and the director that they all have done a great job in portraying the message of the Master adroitly.
The only thing lacking in the movie is the name of Osho being told to the world openly. The money can be made; entertainment can be done but when it becomes the matter of Death and Awareness, it shouldn&#039;t proceed likewise. Swami Rajneesh&#039;s saying in His mystical book Tears of the Mystic Rose  that the World has gone really mad at Osho having been handcuffed in America is enough for world that it has really been missing Him. 
I totally agree with Maa Amrit Sadhana saying: Why man can&#039;t feel gratitude?
Aamir Khan, Rajkumar Hiraani and all the great ones who are able to convey the message should tell the world that 
                                                                        This is OSHO
                                                                        This is OSHO
                                                                        This is OSHO
                     The Master of Masters 
***Read many more things and get offers from the Cosmos of Osho
Visit the original sourse of it: http://loveaffairsgalaxy.webs.com/hridyansh.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very arduous to dipict what is the final call</p>
<p>But one thing can be said:<br />
           It&#8217;s not possible that the world can escape from the greatest Master ever walked on our planet&#8212; OSHO</p>
<p>Dear Friends!!!<br />
Here I would like to tell the whole world that Ragging is pure violence. There are other ways to be playful. There&#8217;s a very famous Osho book: Shiksha Me Kranti, Revolution in Education, which has been in circulation for last 40 years. The 3 Idiots script and film is based on the Osho vision. Read the book and you wud find it out yourself. Another book in English is Glimpses of Golden Childhood by Osho. Osho shows us the way, specially those of us who are teachers and students. We are happy to see Osho vision unfolding thru movies and novels and stories. </p>
<p>I say the success of THREE IDIOTS is none other than OSHO</p>
<p>Poets, politicians, painters, philosophers, journalists, directors&#8230;steal as much as you can, from me and my literature regardless of whether you mention my name or not. What I am speaking is not mine though it is happening through me. I happen to be the medium. What I am speaking is eternal and everlasting. I am simply the empty flute and the song of existence is flowing from it. But really what I am speaking is important, not the one who is speaking. But remember those who love me, know me and understand me, they will simply recognize it. You can not hide it in any way. My statements will surface from the whole orchestra; they will pulsate; they will be radiant enough to eclipse the eyes of the intelligent ones. Osho, the 20th century mystic from Indian soil, knows very well the very nerves of human Nature and it is why he has already spoken everything that one is yet to know, accomplish and execute.<br />
When for the very first time I glimpsed the trailor of the movie Three Idiots, and there I saw Madhavan (FARAHAN) speaking as: even to be born I had to fight with three hundred million sperms. The one that won in that race was me. I simply recognized the voice of our beloved Master OSHO.<br />
And when I watched the movie, Osho was found everywhere blowing the walls of our dreams. Even the lines composed in the song:<br />
                                                         Bahati hawao sa tha wo,<br />
                                                         Odati patang sa tha wo&#8230;<br />
                                                         Hamko to thi raah chalati<br />
                                                         Wo khud apni raah banata<br />
                                                         Humko kal ki fikra satati<br />
                                                         Wo bas aaj ka jashn manata&#8230;<br />
                                                         Hum sahame se rehata kue me<br />
                                                         Wo nadiyo me gote lata<br />
                                                         Ulatee dhara cheer ke chalta tha wo&#8230;<br />
                                                         Badal Awara tha wo<br />
                                                         Pyaar humara thaa wo&#8230;<br />
The biographical sketch of Rancho Ranchhor Das Chanchad is aslo derived from the Master. We should here be reminded of Osho having been called in America as Rancho Rajneesh.<br />
After the movie got released, I became very surprised at the claim made by Chetan Bhagat that the story is derived from His famous novel Five Point someone.<br />
Surprised- because this sort of story can be found from any College. The great writer&#8217;s hankering for being recognized simply indicates that his own world is so poor that he needs them to get compensated.<br />
OSHO has always been telling us that if anyone is impressed by any poetry or good piece of work, then never try to  go to meet the man who has written them. Because your whole sense of poetry will be marred. You will get all your sense of receptivity spoiled. What they do is to fill the gap through them and it becomes a sort of consolation to them. And it is because of this they never fail to cling to it, for that is their only treasure.<br />
Generally the poets, novelists, great writers live their life just opposite of what they write. Once OSHO gave an example of one of the best poets in Hindi Sahitya, Ramdhari Singh Dinkar who is known to have written great heroic poems and who was a regular visitor to Osho Discourses. He always tries to know the ways of how sweets and diabetes can go together. Always talking to Him about politics, sons having gone astray and the likewise. Osho used to tell him: Dinkar! my whole sense of poetry is spoiled when I read your poems because you come in between the lines talking about all the rubbish. Dinkar said,&#8221;Bhagwan, I am not twenty four hours a Poet.&#8221; Osho said,&#8221;Come, when you are!&#8221; Actually the inner life should flower. The man should be recognized by not what he writes or speakes but by what he is and how he lives. But Dinkar was personally very timid man .<br />
So far as the content of the movie is concerned, I have asked just one question to the people at large whether the dialogue delivery of the film is also there in Chetan Bhagat&#8217;s book to whosoever has read his Five Point Someone. I was responded from every corner: No. I contemplated that anyone can easily manage to make a story like the movie Three Idiots if he goes to any reputed Engineering College of the Country and tries to know the life and the milieu there. But I can say for sure that the philosophy rendered behind that movie is not possible than to have already gone from the teachings of the Master Osho.<br />
Though I say that if one could understand the basic message of the movie, one will only stept on the first ladder of the whole world of Osho; the world that is everybody&#8217;s birth right. The Buddhahood that is everyone&#8217;s essential Nature. We have not yet been able to make ourselves even to understand the first step of the whole ladder.<br />
Three Idiots is great in this sense as it can prove a stepping stone to move towards the whole ocean of Freedom, Bliss and Love.<br />
It was in this sense Osho spoke a book entitled Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Aur which people totally misunderstood. They did not even read it and they critisized. Every step of a ladder has got equal importance and place. No one can be replaced.<br />
Appraisal of  Three Idiots is a good sign as it indicates that perhaps people can understand. And of the greatest importance is to understand oneself.Understanding oneself is very simple but because of man&#8217;s incessant sifting from this very moment has made him hereft from it. The whole exercise of Science, the total effort of mankind in making the world better, the complete Education system if they do not let us dwell into reaching our Essential Nature, everything done in the world is simply a stupid and idiotic game which will keep man weeping, crying, frustrated and compelled to live a life of meloncholy.<br />
The movie has become the greatest hit ever. But I have asked to so many movie watchers as to what is the principal message intended to be conveyed by the movie. I am surprised. Not even a single individual I could find who could be able to confer the real message. They liked, loved and are influnced by it but they are found confused and bewildered at the very living philosophy shown in the movie.<br />
Osho says: there is no difference between the character and understanding. Understanding is that part of character which is not visible; and character is that part of  understanding which is visible. So it never happens that one understands and does something else other that what he understands. We know anger is not good but we never give up any chance of expressing them when the moment comes. Therefore, as far as I am concerned, Three Idiots is a turning point which can pave the path for the world to understand OSHO whom the world has still been missing. In fact, we are not understanding what we are missing.<br />
Soon the moment will come when the world will face its final collapse if Osho is not understood. As Bertrand Russell in one of his essays Science and War says that man is such as he will choose death if he has an alternative between death and understanding. At last, he says: I hope I am wrong.<br />
I appreciate the brilliant attempt of all the characters and the director that they all have done a great job in portraying the message of the Master adroitly.<br />
The only thing lacking in the movie is the name of Osho being told to the world openly. The money can be made; entertainment can be done but when it becomes the matter of Death and Awareness, it shouldn&#8217;t proceed likewise. Swami Rajneesh&#8217;s saying in His mystical book Tears of the Mystic Rose  that the World has gone really mad at Osho having been handcuffed in America is enough for world that it has really been missing Him.<br />
I totally agree with Maa Amrit Sadhana saying: Why man can&#8217;t feel gratitude?<br />
Aamir Khan, Rajkumar Hiraani and all the great ones who are able to convey the message should tell the world that<br />
                                                                        This is OSHO<br />
                                                                        This is OSHO<br />
                                                                        This is OSHO<br />
                     The Master of Masters<br />
***Read many more things and get offers from the Cosmos of Osho<br />
Visit the original sourse of it: <a href="http://loveaffairsgalaxy.webs.com/hridyansh.htm" rel="nofollow">http://loveaffairsgalaxy.webs.com/hridyansh.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chinmaya</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/509#comment-10040</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinmaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And this too has to be remembered: I cannot always be in this physical body with you; one day or another the physical vehicle has to be dropped. 

My work is complete as far as I am concerned. If I am carrying this physical vehicle, it is just for you. Some day, it has to be dropped. Before it happens you must be ready to work in my absence, or in my nonphysical presence--which means the same. 

And once you can feel me in my absence you are free of me, and then even if I am not here in this body the contact will not be lost.

OSHO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this too has to be remembered: I cannot always be in this physical body with you; one day or another the physical vehicle has to be dropped. </p>
<p>My work is complete as far as I am concerned. If I am carrying this physical vehicle, it is just for you. Some day, it has to be dropped. Before it happens you must be ready to work in my absence, or in my nonphysical presence&#8211;which means the same. </p>
<p>And once you can feel me in my absence you are free of me, and then even if I am not here in this body the contact will not be lost.</p>
<p>OSHO</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/509#comment-10020</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;a cleverly executed deception&quot;?
that`s  more than you can say for some people around here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a cleverly executed deception&#8221;?<br />
that`s  more than you can say for some people around here!</p>
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		<title>By: Prem Abhay</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/509#comment-10009</link>
		<dc:creator>Prem Abhay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alok John if you were in Buddha Hall on the 19th Jan, and you heard Amrito give a little speech and then Osho’s body came out, you would naturally come to assume that Osho meant ‘today’. If you had developed some respect for Amrito – he and Jayesh certainly had the appearance of being worthy close disciples – then it is natural to implicitly assume Osho meant ‘today’. However it is certainly not obvious that Osho implicitly meant ‘today’ from the case you have presented. It is rather something you have assumed based on Amrito’s conduct, and presumably your positive appraisal of him. 

Jayesh and Amrito participated in the ceremony. Presumably therefore they acknowledge that the ceremony had some value, else why attend in the first place. They did not entertain the typical time-frame that would allow as many of Osho’s people to pay their last respects as is practically possible – within the usual time frame of a couple of days. I can imagine quite a few sannyasins would have immediately caught a taxi to the airport and been on the first plane to Mumbai. International sannyasins could have been their before most of the Indian long hall trains made it into Mumbai or Pune.

Jayesh and Amrito have pushed their ‘Zen’ philosophy at the expense of all other aspects of Osho (along with these disciples and devotees). Even if it is true that Osho said do this or that, it is still the case that all along they have added their own personal touch into the mix.

I have heard reasons for having Osho’s body cremated just few hours after he left the body. These reasons are simply different people’s spiritual interpretations and inclinations. Still, I accept that Jayesh and Amrito would have a case for being involved in the decision of when to have the ceremony. 

If I accept what has been presented as the truth, then presumably there are two conditions for the ceremony: a ten minute viewing in Buddha Hall, and make sure he has his hat and socks on. The issue of when to have this ceremony was not presented as something that Osho imparted to Jayesh or Amrito in his last moments. Therefore that decision is something that Jayesh and Amrito did not have the capacity to make. 

Is it perhaps that they tried to contact other members of the Inner-Circle, but could not manage to get in contact with them. Even at short notice I do not believe this would have been the case. By rushing through the ceremony it gave Jayesh and Amrito the opportunity to carry out the ceremony in a timing that suited them, and in a timing that would have been clearly objectionable to many other members of the Inner-Circle – had they had the opportunity to be heard. Of course history tells us that even if they were heard, they would anyhow have been ignored. 

Did the frigid temperature in his room suddenly drop to normal wintery conditions because the air-conditioner also left the body? My opinion is that in acting in the manner they did, this puts their stamp on having ultimate authority in Osho’s affairs: Amrito coming out with a touching speech or two, and Jayesh in pole-position in the procession. They have also established a method of domination: they are simply following what Osho has told them to do. The fact that they are anyhow introducing their own flavour into the decision making process matters not. The fact that they are anyhow ignoring the views of the other members of the Inner-Circle matters not. You see, the moment Osho left the body they established their authority.

The manner of carrying out the ceremony also gave Jayesh and Amrito the opportunity to draw all of the sannyasins in Buddha Hall into the plan. With everyone elses interests sidelined it gave Jayesh and Amrito the respect of all those in Buddha Hall on the 19th. A nice speech on the 20th, and then a professionally packaged media kit spread to all his people meant that all of Osho’s people came to believe that Jayesh and Amrito were Osho’s ultimate authorities. They had added their own spiritual flavour into the ceremony, and this gave the impression that Jayesh and Amrito were not only the ultimate managers, but also had the authority to make decisions of a spiritual rather than practical nature. The myth was established at the outset, and has been propagated for twenty years.

New sannyasins that come into the fold simply get told the myth. Perhaps Amrito is walking by and an old sannyassin whispers in your ear that that is the famous Doc Amrito. Then you sit down at lunch time and watch the old propaganda video. It is very convincing. It is however a cleverly executed deception.

Yehaa
Abhay]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alok John if you were in Buddha Hall on the 19th Jan, and you heard Amrito give a little speech and then Osho’s body came out, you would naturally come to assume that Osho meant ‘today’. If you had developed some respect for Amrito – he and Jayesh certainly had the appearance of being worthy close disciples – then it is natural to implicitly assume Osho meant ‘today’. However it is certainly not obvious that Osho implicitly meant ‘today’ from the case you have presented. It is rather something you have assumed based on Amrito’s conduct, and presumably your positive appraisal of him. </p>
<p>Jayesh and Amrito participated in the ceremony. Presumably therefore they acknowledge that the ceremony had some value, else why attend in the first place. They did not entertain the typical time-frame that would allow as many of Osho’s people to pay their last respects as is practically possible – within the usual time frame of a couple of days. I can imagine quite a few sannyasins would have immediately caught a taxi to the airport and been on the first plane to Mumbai. International sannyasins could have been their before most of the Indian long hall trains made it into Mumbai or Pune.</p>
<p>Jayesh and Amrito have pushed their ‘Zen’ philosophy at the expense of all other aspects of Osho (along with these disciples and devotees). Even if it is true that Osho said do this or that, it is still the case that all along they have added their own personal touch into the mix.</p>
<p>I have heard reasons for having Osho’s body cremated just few hours after he left the body. These reasons are simply different people’s spiritual interpretations and inclinations. Still, I accept that Jayesh and Amrito would have a case for being involved in the decision of when to have the ceremony. </p>
<p>If I accept what has been presented as the truth, then presumably there are two conditions for the ceremony: a ten minute viewing in Buddha Hall, and make sure he has his hat and socks on. The issue of when to have this ceremony was not presented as something that Osho imparted to Jayesh or Amrito in his last moments. Therefore that decision is something that Jayesh and Amrito did not have the capacity to make. </p>
<p>Is it perhaps that they tried to contact other members of the Inner-Circle, but could not manage to get in contact with them. Even at short notice I do not believe this would have been the case. By rushing through the ceremony it gave Jayesh and Amrito the opportunity to carry out the ceremony in a timing that suited them, and in a timing that would have been clearly objectionable to many other members of the Inner-Circle – had they had the opportunity to be heard. Of course history tells us that even if they were heard, they would anyhow have been ignored. </p>
<p>Did the frigid temperature in his room suddenly drop to normal wintery conditions because the air-conditioner also left the body? My opinion is that in acting in the manner they did, this puts their stamp on having ultimate authority in Osho’s affairs: Amrito coming out with a touching speech or two, and Jayesh in pole-position in the procession. They have also established a method of domination: they are simply following what Osho has told them to do. The fact that they are anyhow introducing their own flavour into the decision making process matters not. The fact that they are anyhow ignoring the views of the other members of the Inner-Circle matters not. You see, the moment Osho left the body they established their authority.</p>
<p>The manner of carrying out the ceremony also gave Jayesh and Amrito the opportunity to draw all of the sannyasins in Buddha Hall into the plan. With everyone elses interests sidelined it gave Jayesh and Amrito the respect of all those in Buddha Hall on the 19th. A nice speech on the 20th, and then a professionally packaged media kit spread to all his people meant that all of Osho’s people came to believe that Jayesh and Amrito were Osho’s ultimate authorities. They had added their own spiritual flavour into the ceremony, and this gave the impression that Jayesh and Amrito were not only the ultimate managers, but also had the authority to make decisions of a spiritual rather than practical nature. The myth was established at the outset, and has been propagated for twenty years.</p>
<p>New sannyasins that come into the fold simply get told the myth. Perhaps Amrito is walking by and an old sannyassin whispers in your ear that that is the famous Doc Amrito. Then you sit down at lunch time and watch the old propaganda video. It is very convincing. It is however a cleverly executed deception.</p>
<p>Yehaa<br />
Abhay</p>
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		<title>By: Alok john</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/509#comment-9993</link>
		<dc:creator>Alok john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Abhay, it was probably obvious in the context that Osho meant &quot;take me to the ghats today.&quot; 

But I was not there.  I judge by character.  I have met Dr Amrito and know his history in the movement.  I judge him an honest man, albeit with a tendency to use PR speak for the non-essential.  I think there is not much more you can do but judge by character.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abhay, it was probably obvious in the context that Osho meant &#8220;take me to the ghats today.&#8221; </p>
<p>But I was not there.  I judge by character.  I have met Dr Amrito and know his history in the movement.  I judge him an honest man, albeit with a tendency to use PR speak for the non-essential.  I think there is not much more you can do but judge by character.</p>
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		<title>By: Prem Abhay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prem Abhay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will try and help Harri Om out here. The words that are missing from the text, that you have in you unconscious mind, is take me ‘today’. Yes Osho may have said on the day he died, ‘take me to Buddha Hall for ten minutes’. What has not been stated is that he said ‘today’. You are assuming that in your unconsciousness. Even if Amrito was telling the truth, you are adding something that has not been presented by Amrito. 

Again Alok John, I have never heard of a combination of three poisons actually leading to the victim having no physical symptoms. Osho did not appear to have any significant physical ill-effects from his incarceration in the US. This issue of poisoning by the US came into being during Osho’s becoming gravely ill in Pune 2. It was from this point that Osho remained unwell and his health gradually declined until his body gave out. Is it that the triple-combo poison pack actually had the effect of delaying the poisons action until some years after it being administered? 

Even if a sannyasin did commit suicide, who is to say that they may not have if the celebration was delayed for a couple of days? Saying that Osho died is a shock in itself. Seeing his body is another shock. Seeing his body burnt in a fire is another shock. All these happening in quick succession without the mind getting used to the idea may have been more harmful than following the normal procedure of waiting a day or so. Saying that Osho has died at the start of White Robe on the 19th would have left the entire meeting to help process this. However saying that Osho has died and his body is coming out for 10 minutes and then we are going to the ghats to burn it means that peoples minds would be going ‘out’. The would have been anxiously waiting to see his body. 

Alok John you denounce the ‘conspiracy’ theories that are being put forward here. Yet these theories have a sound logic to them. Your theories on the other hand exclude common sense. Of course your theories are part of the same old myth that has been repeated so often that you simply believe it even though it does not make sense. You also then reject any suggestions that do not conform with this belief, even though they have merit. This is called insanity. It is the foundation behind all closed social circles (including and especially religious ones) whereby the people in question have wacked-out beliefs that are inconsistent with civilised and sane society, and are also utterly absurd. Ever seen the movie The Wicker Man?

Yehaa
Abhay]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will try and help Harri Om out here. The words that are missing from the text, that you have in you unconscious mind, is take me ‘today’. Yes Osho may have said on the day he died, ‘take me to Buddha Hall for ten minutes’. What has not been stated is that he said ‘today’. You are assuming that in your unconsciousness. Even if Amrito was telling the truth, you are adding something that has not been presented by Amrito. </p>
<p>Again Alok John, I have never heard of a combination of three poisons actually leading to the victim having no physical symptoms. Osho did not appear to have any significant physical ill-effects from his incarceration in the US. This issue of poisoning by the US came into being during Osho’s becoming gravely ill in Pune 2. It was from this point that Osho remained unwell and his health gradually declined until his body gave out. Is it that the triple-combo poison pack actually had the effect of delaying the poisons action until some years after it being administered? </p>
<p>Even if a sannyasin did commit suicide, who is to say that they may not have if the celebration was delayed for a couple of days? Saying that Osho died is a shock in itself. Seeing his body is another shock. Seeing his body burnt in a fire is another shock. All these happening in quick succession without the mind getting used to the idea may have been more harmful than following the normal procedure of waiting a day or so. Saying that Osho has died at the start of White Robe on the 19th would have left the entire meeting to help process this. However saying that Osho has died and his body is coming out for 10 minutes and then we are going to the ghats to burn it means that peoples minds would be going ‘out’. The would have been anxiously waiting to see his body. </p>
<p>Alok John you denounce the ‘conspiracy’ theories that are being put forward here. Yet these theories have a sound logic to them. Your theories on the other hand exclude common sense. Of course your theories are part of the same old myth that has been repeated so often that you simply believe it even though it does not make sense. You also then reject any suggestions that do not conform with this belief, even though they have merit. This is called insanity. It is the foundation behind all closed social circles (including and especially religious ones) whereby the people in question have wacked-out beliefs that are inconsistent with civilised and sane society, and are also utterly absurd. Ever seen the movie The Wicker Man?</p>
<p>Yehaa<br />
Abhay</p>
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		<title>By: prem bubbie</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/509#comment-9989</link>
		<dc:creator>prem bubbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Easy come, easy go]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy come, easy go</p>
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		<title>By: oshobob</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/509#comment-9985</link>
		<dc:creator>oshobob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alok, not only is there a conspiracy behind every tree, there are millions of conspiracies that don&#039;t have a tree to hide behind. There are not enough trees to go around! Even if all the do-gooder Green plant-a-tree type people plant a new tree every day, there would not be enough trees for all the conspiracies that are circulating these days.

Btw, conspiracies don&#039;t have to be necessarily nefarious or evil -- they can be of the good, white, and clean variety. Depends on the motivations.

Every time 2 people get together, and devise a plan behind someone&#039;s back, a conspiracy is formed. It is usually a survival mechanism for that particular &quot;group&quot;.

Would Romeo and Juliet want to tell the Montagus and the Capulets their plans? Not likely. In fact, if you took all the conspiracies out of Willie Shakespeare&#039;s plays, there wouldn&#039;t be much left, now would there? Every show would be a complete flop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alok, not only is there a conspiracy behind every tree, there are millions of conspiracies that don&#8217;t have a tree to hide behind. There are not enough trees to go around! Even if all the do-gooder Green plant-a-tree type people plant a new tree every day, there would not be enough trees for all the conspiracies that are circulating these days.</p>
<p>Btw, conspiracies don&#8217;t have to be necessarily nefarious or evil &#8212; they can be of the good, white, and clean variety. Depends on the motivations.</p>
<p>Every time 2 people get together, and devise a plan behind someone&#8217;s back, a conspiracy is formed. It is usually a survival mechanism for that particular &#8220;group&#8221;.</p>
<p>Would Romeo and Juliet want to tell the Montagus and the Capulets their plans? Not likely. In fact, if you took all the conspiracies out of Willie Shakespeare&#8217;s plays, there wouldn&#8217;t be much left, now would there? Every show would be a complete flop.</p>
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		<title>By: Alok john</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/509#comment-9984</link>
		<dc:creator>Alok john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS.  I really was told that a sannyasin, presumably Western, committed suicide on the night of the 19th/20th.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS.  I really was told that a sannyasin, presumably Western, committed suicide on the night of the 19th/20th.</p>
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		<title>By: Alok john</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/509#comment-9983</link>
		<dc:creator>Alok john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harri wrote : &quot;You previously had a belief, that you (and the majority of Osho sannyasins) were ‘sure’ that Osho said ‘take me to Buddha Hall for 10 minutes and then down to the ghats’. &quot;

Why don&#039;t you take the trouble to read what I said.   I wrote &quot; Amrito said Osho said the previous day : “Just take me to Buddha Hall for ten minues and then take me to the burning ghats.”&quot;   I was not in the room when Osho was dying, so I cannot be &quot;sure.&quot;   However I think it is likely Amrito was telling the truth, judging by his character and Osho&#039;s.  

Osho was a rebel.  Just because the traditional death celebration is so and so, does not mean Osho would follow it.

The US Government prob used two or three poisons simultaneously to kill Osho,  in order that the symptoms would not exactly correspond to those for a single poison.   The US Government is smart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harri wrote : &#8220;You previously had a belief, that you (and the majority of Osho sannyasins) were ‘sure’ that Osho said ‘take me to Buddha Hall for 10 minutes and then down to the ghats’. &#8221;</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you take the trouble to read what I said.   I wrote &#8221; Amrito said Osho said the previous day : “Just take me to Buddha Hall for ten minues and then take me to the burning ghats.”&#8221;   I was not in the room when Osho was dying, so I cannot be &#8220;sure.&#8221;   However I think it is likely Amrito was telling the truth, judging by his character and Osho&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>Osho was a rebel.  Just because the traditional death celebration is so and so, does not mean Osho would follow it.</p>
<p>The US Government prob used two or three poisons simultaneously to kill Osho,  in order that the symptoms would not exactly correspond to those for a single poison.   The US Government is smart.</p>
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