Thus speaks the politician mind…

You, Shantam, are an example of one of those well-meaning but unintelligent people who, focusing on externals, will create an ‘exoteric’ religion out of the life and work of a master who wanted nothing of the sort, enough damage having already been perpetrated by similar enterprises manufactured by similar minds to yours.

As Amrit Neelamber says, you are stuck in your Indian/Sikh conditioning – a prisoner imagining you’re free.

And not only that, but also a prisoner calling for similar ‘life-sentences’ for others!

Imagine that:
Stubbornly committed to fighting for the right to perpetrate sentimental claptrap and outdated, unintelligent ignorance upon the world – presumably, all in the name of ‘freedom’, but of course!

“Similar lines”, eh?
I somehow don’t think you were one of the very first to be in close contact with Osho in the early 70s, neither do I recall you ever having actually met the man, let alone having been one of his ‘carers’, clothes designers/dressmakers, or book editors.

Did he ever get you to leave India and run a pioneering meditation centre in a major western city in the very early days of Sannyas?

Were you part of the Kailash experiment in rural Maharashtra in ’73/4?

Did you live in his house for years in Pune? Were you, perhaps, a close colleague and friend of Vivek/Nirvano, Osho’s ‘partner’?

Don’t think you ever went to the Ranch, did you?

Shantam, your bone-headed stuborness is simply foolishness. Ultimately rather sad, in fact.

If you were at all open, instead of thinking you already know it all, you could learn (and enjoy) much from Veena’s book (and her other ones).

In every situation, people react in different ways. Few reach inner reconciliation with their fate, few fight till the bitter end.

I think every man should have some reason to fight for, some issue to stand for, some values as precious as one´s life.

The first question:
Did you have a formal teacher? Hubl answers no, but says influences were Ken Wilber (western transpersonalist), Sri Aurobindo (educated and lived 14 years in England), Ramana Maharshi (“who is painting?”).

Mostly, Hubl says, he had “a very strong inner guidance.” Later in the interview Hubl does mention Paul Lowe as recognizing him and opening the door for workshops (one day costs from $140 to $200, according to his website).

Overview of Hubl’s teaching (summarized from the interview):
1) We need to look at our individual development and at our shadows. Suffering comes from what is held back.
2) If we deepen our awareness, more information is available to us. If I am present enough, we can have a deeper understanding of each other’s perspectives. “We developed loads of exercises.”
3) In the last years I am talking more about mystical principles. If we align with them, less suffering.
4) The transcendence part, stillness, breakthrough…
5) Service, so that it doesn’t just stay ‘my meditation’, ‘my practice’.

Might be well worth your while to get hold of a copy, as her well-written story is quite something, that of a true, even intimate disciple, who went the whole way.

And reading Veena Schlegel’s excellent ‘Glimpses of My Master’ these last two days, it seems she wasn’t too keen on him either, back in the day, 1974, where first, he tried to insist upon being in charge of ‘Kailash’, the extraordinary rural farm experiment in deep Maharashtra, despite Osho having appointed another man, Veetrag (a former airline pilot, who was an early ‘dynamic meditator’ at the ‘Nirvana’ Centre, London).

Then, in a place where all had to be created from virtually nothing, requiring much very hard work in difficult conditions, Mr Lowe apparently was far from keen to get his hands dirty, which, reading between the lines, clearly didn’t go down too well with Veena.

But yes, of course, ‘water flowing under bridges’ etc., he might have changed since those days…and since Pune 1…and since the Ranch….

Because ‘master’ in English sounds in the context of slavery and on a more honourable level as schoolmaster, it won´t be inappropriate for a while to coin a new phrase, ‘Spiritual Dad’!

Unfortunately, from the house of Osho, top of the range therapists are creating their names without mentioning too much of their not- so-reputed Dad.

Other day, I was checking the price of ‘Path of Love’ group run by Turiya (she never mentions as being chosen as one of the Inner Circle members just like the Dentist and many others). About a week costs 1499 pounds or Euros, plus living expenses extra.

One thing which is significant is that all the spiritual service providers create a shelter for people to come out from their capsuled life.

Desire to be part of a bigger whole, specially when one does not have a stable family life, is a longing in majority of the people.

Persons who become channels to create tribe are ‘Reverend’.

It is very little known, but Thomas Hubl is or was a follower of Paul Lowe.

One reliable source has it that Paul Lowe supported and fawned upon Thomas’s “potential”, and actively encouraged him to become a ‘teacher’.

SP knows that there are bloggers at this site who have a very mixed view of Paul Lowe! Being authenticated by Paul Lowe would not be seen as a plus mark.

Listening this morning to some of his contributions on the web, I was reminded of the German fellows I’ve met who are with Ken Wilber, but for me, he was much more enjoyable to listen to than those.

It´s much more than an eloquent web-performance, like is happening all over the place, so to say, and I understand that he is attracting quite a bunch of people looking for a spiritual shelter as a gathering of friends.

And the latter is needed, very much so.

We are living in precarious times, and rare are humans who are skilled in inviting unifying (be-friending) issues, instead of actions in form of bashing.

In the latter you seem to be a champion here, but you are not alone in that.

A pity is that.

Madhu

Satsang junkies, eh?
They`ll do anything to get a fix.