You yourself might be able to answer one of my questions as you go to Switzerland every week: Why is Sheela still resident in Switzerland= and never leaves there?
As I understand it from various sources she cannot leave Switzerland for fear that in any other jurisdiction she could be extradited for offences for which she is still to be charged in the USA. True or false?

Osho (Bhagwan) was charged with crimes he clearly had not committed, and the U.S. authorities had no evidence to charge him with more severe offences, because, if they had, they would surely have done so.

They were enormously afraid that he might continue his work from the U.S., and clearly panicked when they realised that the Ranch could easily survive and flourish without the 18 conspirators who were responsible for the crimes.

Under the deferred prosecution agreement, Deutsche Bank AGREED TO PLEAD GUILTY to a US charge of wire fraud, a criminal offence, in connection with the scam and admitted participating in price-fixing conspiracy with other banks. Deutsche Bank employees defrauded counterparties in emails, telephone calls and electronic chats, the US said.

The $2.5 billion fine is a record for interest-rate manipulation. The settlement agreement allows Deutsche Bank to keep its operating licence in the United States.

This news I am quoting for the reason, the plea bargain quite often shortens the lengthy process and gives respectful exit to many.

In case of Osho then Bhagwan, State was bound to take legal actions.

I am also sure, US must have planted their own people among the authentic disciples. It is very much possible, by donating generously and buying expensive cars for the master, these people won the trust of guru and the secretary. These are the normal tricks every state performs through their secret service.
I would like to know from you, Parmartha, what other way was possible for USA?

Surely I can feel, most of the disciples were there with their best and sincere intentions and had nothing to do with the policies and politics. The crash must be hard.

As a long years participant of Pune commune and worker around policy-making people, I have seen the games people play.

The virus and bacteria can destroy the infallible too. In India there is a saying: an ant entering elephant´s ear will kill him instantly. To avoid this, Nature has given fans around elephant’s inner ears.

By living in the West, I can find out who is too smart an ass to be a disciple.

What prevails in America is the law of the dollar. “Most democratic country” my arse. Sounds like the chud brain is planning to score some endorsments to why he should get a Yankee green card. The USA brought democracy to Iraq. Ask any Iraqi what they think of that democracy and they will more than likely tell you it was the worst thing that ever happened to their country. You could try and ask the same question in Libya or Afghanisthan, but chances are you would get your head blown off in the process.

El Chudo, so dubbed because he is completely full of shit. I mean to say, “America has not shown leniency to its presidents too.” If the chud-buster could get his nose out of daytime TV he might check out the fact that America recently had a president called George W. Bush who, along with his corporate cronies, began a protracted war effort in Iraq and Afghanistan that has cost over a million lives and made them super-rich in the process. Law prevails…sure, son – the law of the helicopter gunship.

Mrs Clinton is running as a democratic candidate, meanwhile worried about the ramifications that will be caused by a soon-to-be-published book, which does an in-depth study of how her and hubby, Billy, of “I did not inhale” fame, made tens of millions when they were hanging out in the Oval Office.

Change channels, Chudo, check out House of Cards, it’s closer to reality than it is to fiction, which is more than I can say of you.

Perhaps I’ve missed something…

Anyway, Shantam, your ongoing ‘crusade’ is undermined by the simple fact that your own prime personal motives for opposing the status quo are more than somewhat dubious, being anchored in a rather unedifying, even unsavoury mixture of sexual frustration, a sentimental attachment to the past, and incipient racism.

Not to mention the sheer dishonesty in refusing to acknowledge what really drives you to keep trying to ram this down everyone’s throats here.

Damning the process and purpose of the State is effective as a critique of inherent, endemic, cerebral fascism which fully strips the human out of human-ity.

However, unless the outcome of contesting the State remains allied to not only truth but its ability to serve and express the range of love and interactive, intentional, human experience and vice-versa,through empowerment, only then are we likely to satisfy ourselves with a personal deepening awareness and a search for its sponsorship in personal not mass forms without much needed ‘temporary autonomous zones’, or egalitarian, mutual communities – which remains a latent desire in many, young and old, willing, individuals.

In its remit I contend that the method of the commune, using obeisance and hierarchy, survived by a combination of deference and without rudimentary user-friendly comprehension, or the fullest independent autonomy.

There was never, therefore, any commune at all anywhere in the Osho-world other than for a very few dependent or self-financed, permanent, senior initiates at HQ.

That Osho deliberately engineered this by his inattention, his experimentation, his intention, or by accidental context was of little concern to him as long as one was committed. Commitment, I contend was everything to create that effect of living fully.

The trouble with that is in successfully combining all that autonomy, community, self regulation, interaction etc., which Osho achieved ‘internally’, as a model of Life for use or even permanently.

Sadly, other inherited morality or coding is experienced as stagnant and un-nourishing by being ready-made, whatever its origins.Children are soon made extensions of this by their corralling into so-called manners and schooling without authentic, autonomous pedagogy of the self, in general.

When we realise that nothing was destroyed (as Commune) because it never actually existed other than as a non-definitive experiment, we are free of having to justify its success or failure. That doesn’t mean we don’t have differing versions of aspiring or continuing need in life, but rather that we become utterly dis-invested from the result as being definitive of our place or identity. Commune or no-commune.

This last explanation, instead, defines the emotivity of rationalism, civic or of the State, adversarial and polarised, that craves its own reputation and existence via Attorneys and Orthodoxy by stripping coherence into cognitive or rational forms – functionally tailored into its own visceral self-justification which constructs itself and condemns others by. This is the worst distortion of humanism as functionalism and abuse of law. Politics is fundamentally violent and violating.

This legalistic type of virus of removed enquiry suits a ‘society’ that lost its ability to fulfil human yearning as a valuable, even meditative, ‘sensation’ and its fully valued, embodied , empowering experience through conversant, continually accountable, love.

Many children of those who, by contrast, ‘opened up’ to communal enquiry, truly benefited from being strangers to the plotting of dysfunction in a distorted society that would have and does enslave.

Osho was the embodiment of the individual’s struggle to commit to life, and in that is his universality and the grace that differentiates truth from advocacy.

Sincerely,
Swami Samuel Pepys
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I lived as a commune member for those years. Whether you believe it or not those whose interest was Osho and spiritual growth knew nothing.”

Unfortunately, organisation around Osho has not learned the lessons. Osho did learn and therefore it is first time in the history that a master leaves behind a group of 21 people and not one successor. Mahesh Yogi, another successful Indian guru from the same Jabalpur and successful among the westerns has left a successor.

Can you accept that Resort in the name of Osho is being run on the similar pattern as Rajneeshpuram?

Germany has mended its ways, Europe has evolved after the 2 wars, but not Osho´s Sannyas!

Perhaps even more surprisingly, he reassumed some kind of sannyas identity much later, as no doubt Shantam will remind us, over the question of Osho’s ‘will’.

Actually, American culture and laws encouraged and still encourage the bearing of arms. Had, for example, Osho settled in almost any European country the arms involved would have had to be gotten illegally.

Do a thought experiment, and imagine Osho in your beloved’s Germany at that time, or any time since. If the conspirators had wanted to arm themselves then, it would have been very difficult, and certainly would never have been on public show.

Having studied the records since, they seemed a sort of bunch who were moved very quickly to do things, and enthusiastically if things fell easily into place, but were fickle in changing their plans if they were not. I suspect they would not have armed themselves in Europe.