As far as my understanding goes, is (was) the Being, we happen(ed) to have the chance to meet, surely born in India, and not by accident!

But as any wisdom whisperer of any time developed expression-wise in a universal way ‘contemporary’ to others before and after Him, who give/gave their best in their unique ways for the kind of uplifting civilization – a civilization that has yet to deserve its name – and many are feeling it and have felt it at any time and are drawn in their longing to COME TOGETHER in a more civilized way and a more loving and peaceful way.

I am not born accidentally here, and you have not been born accidentally there, so we are born with certain issues and under certain circumstances.

The longing though, to surpass hindrances to live more peacefully and more lovingly together we have in common, deeply in common. A longing that is not combined with the nation we are born in, nor the political history of this or that nation, or forever fixed to our circumstances.

To connect that deep longing of us all with temporary politics or politics for the sake of religion is a ‘cul de sac’.
To connect that longing with lifelong attending human growth therapy groups with the danger to become a junkie of this is a ‘cul de sac’ too.

I simply loved it that in Pune I (also in Oregon, I presume) the therapists worked and shared their ways like any other worker in the community.
And I loved (the illusion) that those guiding teachers with skills were to be seen as meditators like all the rest of us, up to the toilet cleaner.

That was a very challenging expose (social-spiritual experiment) of a more ‘civilized coming together’.
Which didn´t hold the line – also in Osho´s lifetime.

To cherish each other’s Being, just for the sake of it, to be present this moment, neither being asked for any proof of deserving it nor habitually boasting of ‘proofs’ is the most challenging issue I know of.

And what a luxury that is, to be able to come together (these days), without the danger of being bombed for absolutely insane reasons by insane people or without the danger being perpetrated and misused by cunning criminals with their lust for power.

What I feel, Parmartha, and others here too, is that Osho had a kind of infinite trust in our maturing and in our maturing together. And that Trust is a Heritage which cannot be traded – no way.

That’s good news, isn´t it ?

Madhu

Shantam, like myself, moved from chuddies and turban to mala and robe, never for a moment digressing into secularity with all its inherent dangers of abusing the freedom that God has given us and being sucked in by political correctness, intoxicants, homosexuality, socialism and the illusion of being a light unto oneself etc.

We recognised Osho as one of our own but he advanced the vision of the Vedic sages by giving us the chance to be true yogis but also the chance to get a bit of rumpy-pumpy with the loose gora girls, but never for a moment did we forget where we were coming from and we retained our God-given Aryan religiousness.

Hari Om!
Yahoo!

We have remained guzzling at the 5000 year-old breast of the true religion and the attempts by the Anglo-Saxon alcoholics and ex-sannyasins to insult and discredit that holy mammary will be fought by us until the bitter end as Shantam’s heroic work on SN proves.

Yahoo!
Hari Om!
Jai Shantam!

It is because I do ‘know’ India more than many from the West that I am alarmed by the nature of Hindu nationalism. It was, after all, the same sort of nationalism that resulted in at least one assasination attempt on Osho.

Osho was an international Master, by accident an Indian by birth, just as the circumstances of all our births are just chance.

I am a little scared that what I knew as that brilliant international ashram will become some kind of Hindu shrine, and the only encounter one will have there will be with a deity…how boring.

He is only saying that because he wants to take over El Chudo’s job as SN’s Village Idiot.

Please leave our beloved idiot alone. He already has enough problems without you trying to make him a hero of the truth.

What are the “negative” aspects of Buddha and Jesus, please, Oldman? (Mr A. Yogi has already covered Gandhi!).

And while you’re at it, how about realistically critically assessing Shantam’s contributions here rather than glossing over their only too evident multiple flaws?

“Let me repeat, Osho deserves to be known in the world, as much as (if not more than) Buddha, Jesus or Gandhi. That doesn’t mean the world should convert to Osho religion. First of all, there is no such religion as Osho religion and secondly, people need not have to follow him necessarily. But his message can bring a new beginning in whatever the path they are in. It can help as a catalyst for higher consciousness.”

This sounds very confused. Oldman, you seem to be rather too keen to align Osho with ‘religion’, while at the same time denying Sannyas to be on that same track.

How, for example, can Osho bring a Christian or a Buddhist to “a new beginning”? Part of Osho’s whole effort, “his message”, if you like, was to expose, undermine and even destroy such long-established ‘religious’ edifices, wasn’t it? As he says in ‘The Mustard Seed’, being a Christian is “a lie”!

It’s not Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews or those on any other “path” that Osho is likely to significantly influence, it always has been and always will be others, from the vast numbers of people for whom conventional religion has little or no attraction, those who are searching for ‘something more’, for “a catalyst for higher consciousness” perhaps.

Howsoever lucid and easy to understand expressions are, human mind has got the mastery to hold the neck of the holy words and squeeze them tight.

In a sannyas way of life, this can be called, Rebalancing!

Pinko-leftie homo-secularists like Parmartha can never hope to understand how it is absolutely necessary in India for great spiritual leaders to insert the tongue into the backside of politicians in order to get the correct taste of fascism!

It is simply protocol and pleasantries to call a man who has excercised his Hindu right to rape and genocide, as specified in the Bhagavad Gita, a “yogi” and “embodiment of Zorba the Buddha”, but ignorant, politically-correct fools of the West cannot understand how religions evolve!

It is clearly by a great man imposing his will on the masses!
Hari Om!
Sieg Heil!

To think that a man who was a major player in the RSS had any part to play in the Gujurat massacres or has just last week turned a blind eye to more sectarian killing in India is simply leftist propaganda propagated by Americans, Jews, Socialists and homosexuals!

They do not understand Indian culture which experts like Shantam and Newman follow online everyday from their safe havens in the West, whilst enjoying Haagen Dazs ice-cream and Lidl goatburgers as they pronounce with great wisdom and insight as seen here on Sannyasnews!

Modi is, as Shantam says, simply the best, and so right about so many things that liberal-leftie hippie slackers like Parmartha, who have abused the freedom that Osho has given them are simply too ignorant to understand as they read their disgusting secular newspapers!

Homosexuality must not be imported from the West!
I cannot imagine the ordeal of Shantam living in the West and living in constant fear of waking up and finding a large German sausage in his chuddies!

And such sentiments are perfectly understandable for a man brought up to the highest values of morality which shine through India at all levels!

As Oldman says, Osho is certainly ‘up there’ with Gandhi!
He certainly spoke vehemently in favour of the Mahahatma and spoke fondly of his asceticism, self-flagellation, apolitical nature, urine- drinking and wife-beating!

Hari Om!
Yahoo!

The Art of Dying
Chapter #1
Chapter title: The Art of Dying.

Hard to believe though it is, I can find nothing that says Shantam, or you for that matter, are exempt, that we should allow Shantam or yourself to turn us into extensions of you.