Just a few people have been investigating the statement that Osho left a will. This claim was made by Niren in the EU trade mark case, and as evidence Niren presented a “will” allegedly signed by Osho and witnessed by Niren, Amrito, and Jayesh.
The present allegation, which has not been given the right of reply as yet, is that the “Osho signature” was actually copied from a famous 1976 letter written by Osho that was on at least three websites, so arguably this was pretty self-destructive behavior by the gang of three - if the allegation is true. The first rider against this is that Niren was a very successful criminal lawyer in Los Angeles before his sannyas “career” and unlikely to have been drawn prima facie into a criminal conspiracy.
Three persons claiming to be independent experts, two in India and one in Italy, have concluded that the signature on the “will” is the same signature as the one on the letter, and that it is impossible for two signatures to be the same. However it is unwise to state that any experts called by the defence as it were are “independent”. They always support what those who employ them want!
SN would doubt whether this gives 100 per cent certainty as in many legal cases “experts” are produced to support opposite views of a case, and one could suggest caution in such matters rather than declamation. In addition it has been pointed out that the signature of an enlightened Master is just a case in point where identical energy might be expended by the writer at any time, unlike the signature line of ordinary mortals beseiged by moods!
Apparently it is claimed that criminal charges have been filed in India, and the Office of Harmonization in the EU has been informed of the evidence of forgery. However detailed evidence that such criminal charges have actually been filed is awaited.
Some Italian “evidence” is produced below from a graphologist but cannot be claimed as conclusive, as SN is sure that counter arguments can be made by opposing graphologists.
a graphologist?
how about calling an astrologer ?
you could ask shantam to check “linda goodmans love signs”
the answer is bound to be in there…. just look up uranus.
when leading figures of the osho movement are so completely enmired in hindu harry-potterism that they believe that vivek did a `sati`,it all makes perfect sense.
hang on a minute,thats the doorbell,i`ve got santa claus,a unicorn,the man in the moon and vivek who has re-incarnated as the girl next door, coming for a cup of soma…must dash…
Hokuspokus Fidibus,
drei Mal schwarzer Kater!
Hocuspokus Fidbus
Three black cats!
and magic of illuminating energy
cats are white!
Re.”Osho’s Will Questionned but Caution Recommended”
From my viewpoint as somebody who was not on the ‘scene’ when Our Dearly Beloved Master was in his Body, it would appear that his will was never questioned. I refer here to what to me looks like sickeningly obsequious, blindly obedient, ingratiating, servile, and sycophantic grovelling going on around His Holiness and which can sometimes be found here in this forum. And from what I can gather caution around him was not only recommended but forcefully imposed.
A tour de farce that can run and run, and an early xmas pressie from satan claus for the chuddiemeister, who makes a lot of sense… though usually only to himself. He’s clearly paranormal.
More proof, beyond all reasonable doubt, that the now gang of four only appear to be human! How else could they lack good counsel or hope to pull this one off unless they’d had a mind meld with the dark side, or a large enough slush fund?
“The Office of Harmonization”… think I read about that in Orwell’s 1984, involved large hungry rats…
I don’t believe anyone could doodle like that twice or even once come to think of it. It also says “executed this 15th day…”, OMG! the plot thickens…
This site is pure evil and I just can’t keep away!
May all beings be well and have better things to do with their time…
More or less it is becoming clear, signature on Osho´s so called Will were forged.
If proven true, this is a crime in the series of worst crimes group of human beings can ever commit. I hope laws of the land will go with full force at the bottom of the accusation.
If clever and sincere, Jayesh and team should produce video and photo evidence of those moments, when Osho was holding the pen to sign like every human being on his last will.
Your personal bias speaks volumes here, Shantam.
I suggest you wait for conclusive evidence before hazarding such righteous triumphalism.
And you’re supposed to be a lawyer? Well, since you were trained in India, that’s evidence in favour of Parmartha’s description of that country!
‘ The first rider against this is that Niren was a very successful criminal lawyer in Los Angeles before his sannyas “career” and unlikely to have been drawn prima facie into a criminal conspiracy.’
Ehm…..I would say that the reality is quite the opposite. Who cares? What diffeence does this make to your life? The correct answer is…none.
I received a letter from the ashram in 1975 which included a ‘certificate’ on light blue and gold card handwritten by Osho, with my sannyas name and its meaning explained.
I remember the handwriting being very neat. It was also signed by Osho.
Unfortunately its whereabouts is unknown at the moment, but I cannot believe that there are not other examples of his signature from around that time.
Just see if they are ALL identical – which is effectively what we are being asked to believe!
(There are 3 years between the above signatures. Doh!)
Graphology??!
My God, a “science” – really. They all disagree when it comes to Courts of Law.
And what to say about India and Italy???! Above all in both countries, justice is in dire short supply, and both are totally full of corruption and greed. Almost anything can be “proven” with the right backhanders in these backwaters of civilisation….
I care. I wonder why you Lokesh do not care?
Fresch, I don’t care who gets what on a material level, or power level in regards the subject matter of this thread. None of this affects my life in any way. Osho was a great chap and I was fortunate enough to spend some quality time with him when it was still possible for a nobody like myself to do that. Those were good times. Now we have people squabbling over the mouldy crumbs still falling off Osho’s banquet table. Maybe some of them will become wealthy out of it. That is their problem not mine.
Splitting hairs over Vivek’s unfortunate death, speculating on the authenticity of Osho’s signature on a will…what a lotad of dead nonsense. If any of this seems to affect you in any way, other than causing a yawn, dash out immediately and see if you can find yourself something that at least resembles a life.
On a quiet evening as I relax by a crackling fire, after a wonderful day spent with a group of friends and their children on a clifftop overlooking the sea, from where a few dived into the water from a hieght o fifty feet, I just thought I’d check out the comments and see if there is anything interesting being said on SN. The recent threads have not been what I could describe as inspiring, although I do stlll get a wee chuckle up now and again when reading some of the comments. Going into the possiblty that someone made a forged will in Osho’s name is simply boring to me. I’m off to watch a movie.
this niren sounds like he has just the job experience needed…
with the crips and the bloods battling` it out down in da buddha`hood and streetless streets of south central nirvana, some o them white rogue brothers is gonna need some legal protection, knowadamsayin?
theres a lotta lotta bucks to be made sellin enlightenment-those spiritual highs is way better than crack,yes sir, meditation is the new medication, and that osho philosophy is badder than bad,bro`.
its like….. look after number one and if anyone gets in the way,blow the m`fucker away cos if you don’t who will?knowaddamean? get your face outa my facebook or I`ll kick it out loser…
yo they don’t like faggots,too an theres plenty o redhot bitches that need tantricising real good, see I`m getting my ass over there to get some action
I`m gonna get enlightened, or die tryin`….
That is funny, dude. Word!
now big bhagdaddy he was the bhag-one!
never seen so many cheap imitations under one sun.
them parrots is cheep cheap tryin to steal his rap
but what comes outa their mouths is just holy crap
latino loco brothers they got the beards
but them lunghi`ed up faggots are just fuckin weird
they sittin in the jungle talking bout a commune
but them dudes is lost on the dark side o the moon
sub continental brothers still doin the same ol`rap
for 5000 years pumpin the same religious crap
they need to get with it and clean up their act
or they gonna drown in cowdung and that’s a true fact
that swami they call the katman-dude
hes getting quite a posse,he`s real rude
but its only a matter o time before the feds
bust their sorry asses behind the cow sheds
some o them brothers is movin to Pakistan
but they gonna get it up the butt from genghis khan.
the white rogue brothers,now they workin evil magic
don’t put yo face on facebook or they gonna smash it
they got the booze they got the chicks
them brown brothers are just a bunch of hicks
enlightenment aint for pussies
so if you wanna bit of action
come down to da budha `hood
and start ruckin for your faction……
For A Buddhaweiser Guy…
On Fatassnews we got a new poet laureate
like coleridge in xanadu, smokin opiate
Super surreal and smart as a whip
stings like a bee on an acid trip
Shooting them down like fish in a barrel
(ain’t no lullaby or xmas carol)
It’s Diogenes of Sinope, so you’re out of luck
everything’s fubar and a clusterfuck
Same ol’ same o’l, the new old age
sex-power-money’s goin’ on backstage
Monkeys, sharks, and alligators
life of kumare, cheap imitators
they smile, they croon, hand out lollipops
pay off the lawyers, pay off the cops
Gonna book me in for a healing session
My 19th nervous pastlife digression
If the old man was here, wonder what he’d say
“Just enjoy yourself, enough for today!”
fresch, why Lokesh should care?
He is neither a sentimental fool nor has any investment left in Osho Bankruptcy Inc.
And compared to otherswho were shedding crocodile tears of gratitude at Osho´s feet during His last years, Lokesh and such people have really done no harm.
I think many people followed famous investment mantra, ” When even the cleaning lady starts buying in a company, it is right time to exist.”
(MOD: Er, shouldn’t that last word be ‘exit’?!!!)
Something weird going on…I appreciated one of Shantypants comments..what was in that tea?
“I appreciated one of Shantypants comments”
Might wanna get that checked out with cognitive tests & CT scan.
Changes are subtle but could be an early warning sign for dementia.
Any confusion? Memory loss? Moodiness? Repetitive postings?
“Almost anything can be “proven” with the right backhanders in these backwaters of civilisation….”
Parmartha, my request is before it is too late on the aging scale, please visit India.
May be you well get nice surprises.
(for Parmartha)
I was in India a fair share, four times between 1974 and 2000, often for quite lengthy periods. I also read current Indian press at source sometimes, etc.
Yes something magical in the sub-continent sometimes, and not just in Poona. However corruption was rift then, and also now – as it is in Italy all the way to the top.
Sorry to offend old chap, but I do notice that your good self chooses to reside on the German /Swiss border and has done so for a good time. So what stops your good self from returning to the source, and particularly to Poona, cos that is obviously where your heart is ? Genuine question Shantam, and deserving of an answer.
And why do you want me in particular to visit India? Not at all clear to me.
Thanks Mr. editor,
You are right about the last word.
Here are the full reports from Italy and India. The FIR complaint filed at Pune Police station is also available here.
Forged will of OIF- http://issuu.com/oshotapoban/docs/will_osho
Graphological report from Italy- http://issuu.com/oshotapoban/docs/graphologal_report_of_expert_of_pen
FIR complaint file with Pune Police- http://issuu.com/oshotapoban/docs/fir_149_2013registered_english
Graphological report from India -http://issuu.com/oshotapoban/docs/aurangabad_report
Someone else who needs to do some Christmas shopping at the Get a Life shop.
” And now for something completely different………. strange, weird, bonzo, gratuitous, immature, juvenile and highly disrespectful of the Esteamed Holy Etceteras, etc. of Sannyas News.” (Accompanied by the music from Monty Python’s Flying Circus -Ta Monty!).
The following is an extract from the judicial proceedings currently under way in the now notorious ‘OIF Mismanagement vs the Sanctimonious, Grasping, Power-hungry and Money Seeking Sundry, in the Case of the True Identity of the Legal Beneficiaries in the Now Deceased and Has Left His Body, amen, Osho’s, Final Will & Last Holy Testament, Thanks be to God’.
Prosecuting Counsel: On behalf of the prosecution, I would now
like to call forward to the stand, the Honorable Dr.P.Pot , formerly of Cambodia and transformed by Osho into a sannyasin from the UK , who is better known as a world-famous and prominent graphologist, so that he may present his ample evidence and testimony to the court.
(At this point a certain excitement and thrill runs through those assembled whilst Dr P.Pot, places a large illustration of Master Osho’s signature on the court whiteboard provided .)
Dr. P. Pot: Thank you, your honour. Firstly, with the aim of establishing the veracity of the signature on the will, in question, I would like to present my findings and in-depth anal-ysis of the character and personality traits exhibited in the afore-mentioned signature. Beyond any shadow of a doubt what we have here is a vain, complicated, narcisstic, personality-type as is borne out by the rather over-elaborate, large and unintelligible nature of the sample provided. Moreover, in my expert opinion , there is a distinct indication of a ‘Holier-than-thou’ attitude compounded by signs of the deadly, ‘Kiss-me-bum-quick-while-I-do-it-on-you-from-my-great-highness-altitude-as-you-keep-on-running-around-on-my-behind’, syndrome, due to the signature’s overall grandiosity.
Further revealing anal-ysis was provided by my humble assistant, the Rearend Father Paddywhack O’ Watt-Ashok from the holy Bummicus-Banditus Abbey in Abbeyfeale, Ireland. He has brought to my attention the presence of the classical ‘Shark’s Teeth’ jagged edge feature of the writing sample submitted, typical of the compulsive and inveterate liar. In addition, he highlights the lines that run through the signature, revealing a pathological interest in money and other unmentionable stuff!
Therefore in conclusion, I believe the signature to be fraudulent and that the ‘OIF Mismanagement accused’, stand guilty of the charges against them. As has already been pointed out by other respected sauces on the subject, no two signatures written by the same person are identical. The ability to produce an identical facsimile requires great knowledge and expertise. Not to mention in-depth knowledge, empathetic understanding and resonance with the victim’s psyche, on the porger’s fart…whoops, I beg your pardon your honour, a slip of the tongue … I respectfully mean, forger’s part! As they say, “It takes a thief to catch a thief!”
NB: To the Esteamed Practitioners,
For what it’s worth, the graphological techniques mentioned above, exist in fact.
Forgery of Osho signatures by the closest disciples; it is a thriller or a poetic justice?
No need to jump the gun. Satya deva kind of rationalists will say. I wonder what kind of biased mind-set he has, why he cannot see and accept, white people can also have black consciousness.
The presumption of innocence, sometimes referred to by the Latin expression Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof is on he who declares, not on he who denies), is the principle that one is considered innocent until proven guilty. (Wikki)
Life is so hilarious, those who decide by summary trials want their case to be decided not by competent court but by existence itself.
Shantam, you need reminding that one of the safeguards against fascism is the rule of law. A guiding principle of which is what you, given your cavalier stance on the matter in question, have had the nerve to quote above.
And don’t talk to me about the bywaters of ‘Ashram Fascism’, please, I’m talking about the ‘real world’, the one where in many countries justice is dispensed through the secret police or similar, in prison or torture chamber, without the whiff of a trial in sight.
That’s “the kind of biased mind-set” I have, and thank God I live in a land where such a ruling principle remains intact.
You ignorant fool, it’s not a question of white v black, it’s a matter of basic respect for justice. So take your insulting racist remarks, Mr Failed Lawyer, and stuff ‘em up your frickin’ chuddies.
Right or wrong, the management’s behaviour at oif seems to reflect Osho’s mixed legacy during and after his life. A vibrant energy field but with other casualties i.e. lack of transparency, accountability, open discussion, feedback, co-operative values etc
Conclusion – enlightened dictatorship doesn’t work!
This applies to every other movement I can think of coming out of the eastern guru model, which we innocently bought into since the 60′s and is still worshipped in India. A little research will reveal the dirty washing on the line once you pull back the curtain.
The age of the guru is dead.
Something more devolved – circle not pyramid – should replace it.
Says I, high on hopium…
You’re spot on, Dominic, re the management issue stemming directly from the way things were run while Osho was among us.
I can dig it.
Sometimes I wonder if the ‘ black pyramid ‘ has something to do with compassion !
Cheeky Ciccolo – Judicial Gruffalogist
http://beta.fleetingthing.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/gruffalo.jpg
and caught on camera, getting a ‘backhander’ from anonymouse…
http://www.arnolfini.org.uk/whatson/the-gruffalo2019s-tale/slideshow/gruffalo-mouse-gruffalo
Crazy is the human mind. People want to have the cars like Osho but without that kind of compassion. They would like to have the same kind of toilet seat as in Osho´s bathroom adjoining Samadhi but without that kind of enlightened soul.
It is a common fact, Osho has played with the fire of legal short cuts and has paid the heavy price yet He was still capable to attract people who were really one of its kind.
Are managers capable to do it?
During last 10 days, I have phoned with two of my friends in Pune who deal with rooms. Both have the same opinion, in their 25 years of being in Pune, never were so less people. Both have not rented a single room to the high season visitors.
To have feet of clay is human but from top to bottom just clay; yes it is good for pottery classes!
The writing’s on the wall…
Sannyasnews (date: near future)
Ashram/Resort sold to Tata group for squillions for luxurious redevelopment.
Oif management reported to have moved to an undisclosed location and are unavailable for comment.
Sale now on! Everything must go!
SN Editors received this below from Tapoban commune (Nepal). Once again they mistake a charge being laid to a charge being proved! Other sources indicate that there seems very little action taken by the police on the matter (to the regret of the commentator!) but perhaps reflecting the scepticism of police towards graphologists. The charge was laid on December 8th. My God, are we for once actually praising the Indian police!
“We would like to inform you that a criminal case has been registered bearing no. 149/ 13 dated 8th Dec. 2013 with Koregaon Park Police Station, Pune against 1. Mr Michale Byrne (O’Byrne) alias Swami Anand Jayesh 2. Mr. D’Arcy O’Byrne alias Swami Yogendra 3. Mr Philip Toelkes alias Prem Niren 4. Dr. John Andrews, alias Swami Amrito 5. Mr. Mukesh Kantilal Sarda alias Swami Mukesh Bharti 6. Mr. Klaus Steeg alias Pramod. The said accused are charged with Indian Penal Code 465, 467, 471 and 120-B. This ‘non-bailable offense’ is very serious offense for committing forgery of a valuable security, Will or authority to make or transfer any valuable security or to receive any money, etc; and using the forge document as genuine.”
“Other sources indicate that there seems very little action taken by the police…..”
Well – p’haps the person/s laying the charges, did not have enough money (after paying the Duty Officer a little ‘extra’ to type up the paperwork), to ensure that the charges were followed up. I would imagine that this case has to be ‘small-fry’ for the Indian cops, although potentially it might provide some kind of opportunity for an ‘earn’ I guess.
I doubt very much if any of the ‘Mismanagement boyos’, at the mention of ‘non-bailable offense’, will scurry off to the London office in panic, as at least one has been known to do in the past when other charges were made! All they would need to do is pay an ‘extra’ for the file to get lost in the admin. somewhere if it was indeed the case that somebody were to be arrested and the threat of no bail were to be carried out.
I recall that there was a kerfluffle at the Resort several years ago involving the ‘Georgian Mafia’ (all sannyasins), who were charged with forging and selling Resort money cards. They did in fact end up in the clink. Don’t know what became of it all. Maybe they were incorporated into the current ‘Mismanagement’ team?
Just tuned into see what chatter & gossip there was about current episode in the ongoing drama is Osho world. Can always rely on this channel to be on. Even today there was activity on the scene. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/Police-asks-Osho-ashram-to-produce-original-will-of-spiritual-mentor/articleshow/27380196.cms
SN Editors,
Why not phone to Osho global Connection in Pune to ask for their response; their denial or usual response in India, ” No comment. Case is under sub judice.”
Osho´s top most disciples, wiser than wise has been accused for a very serious crime, which can nail the coffin of their good will and there is no response yet, just mum silence, just like in North Korea!
Sitting silently,
Doing nothing,
Shit storm rise and fall,
life goes on…..
This is very exciting what is happening with osho’s will. Most of us have been in (illusion?) of sanyas being free, not a cult. Actually the way dominic put it, on the spot: ” transparency, accountability, open discussion, feedback, co-operative values etc..” are the values most sanyasins share….ehhh… in their individual lives.
So, if the will would be authentic, we would have one person Jeyesh and his employees (yes, the rest of the people in Pune are dependent on him financially, where would Amrito go?) to decide about Osho’s words.
If it would the fact (the will), so be it then. And as a result is most of the people drawn to Osho just disappear. I cannot see especially young and educated people being interested in Jeyes’s ”heritage”.
Now I also expect that Jeyesh is wealthy, actually I do not know that for fact. It can also be that he does not have so much personal income as we have been told. That would explain the desperation of recent acts. Anyway I am very interested to see where this is leading. Sorry about the language, I hope you understand the content. It’s all about the content.
that’s right,fleshie,
its all a big situationist psychodrama being orchestrated by existence to show the utter farcicality of beardo-fascism and retarded feudality that is organised religion.
if they get rid of the white rogue brothers and install “regime change”
(think: the wisdom of replacing the shah of iran with the ayatollah)
and put in a new inner circle consisting of say, arun,brian,swami “sati” keerti,the ofi guy who looks like a hindi berlusconi , shantam, doperage ,swami isabgol,mini kong and few other old revenge-missionaries and old goa whack-jobs…
it will be a great day for oshos vision,and a further step on the total and utter discreditation of the tradition of crypto-fascist pyramidical cultic madness formerly known as “spirituality”
just think: watching all those “ego-less” guys going at each other like pillow-fighters on a greasy pole above a crocodile pit!
but more important than that, its going to be one of the biggest laughs and maybe the greatest free circus clown act of all time.
bring it on,
I cant wait
yahoo!
If they do not have money, would their 25-years old Russian girlfriends support them (40 yeaars older “lovers”) in their normal life while working in some fashion store?
I do not think so.
Oh, Thanks Frank, finally I get the honour to have a nickname. Fleshie is good, I sometimes like to see life in practical terms; somebody has also said if you want to understand what is going on somewhere “follow the money”. I do not need to search for the one and only sugarman, osho, when he really is in strange way in his (strange) people. So, my investment is in the funniest company of people who are drawn to osho. I do have dear “normal friends”, but. ..You know what I mean. But frank, you really made me laugh with your picture of “New Inner Circle”..They could just continue having their meetings here…that would be open, transparent and sharing. I would love, next generation leadership at SN.
By the way we should be empathic and start raising pension money for jayesh, Amrito etc. how about opening an account and putting 10,- per month their “returning to the normal world recovery foundation”? They could also start a new old people’s place, bardo place. But I am not going there even when I become old.
Whenever winds of change blow, few people get cold, cough and fever…
Sitting on his wheel chair, professor of dooms day scenario, remember those days when life was easy, six months in England, six months in India…
Acha… ye goode olde days.
SP Nostalgia Filter switched on (which is not as good as earlier model…)
He sighs and remembers when…
-I chatted up new arrivals at welcome centre and got booty call when lucky and very dark.
-I was twice the man I used to be, eating at Mariam’s, Zorba’s, Prem’s, german bakery, and never had to cook.
-10,000 buddhas sat squashed, farting and yawning together on cold marble, catching cold, while dressed like mental asylum seekers.
-my Mum’s sabzi and daal
-my dad’s spitting, wretching and paan teeth
-my grandma’s incontinence
It’s really all gone kali yuga since buddha’s time…
Be a sannyas martyr for the new dawn SP.
Go to Oshoville (aka Sodom & Gomorrah) and do the unstinkable.
Drop chuddies and unleash biological weapon on mismanagement team … ppppppwwarrrrppppp… Osho Akbar!
the winds of change are blowing mostly through shantams` chuddies….
they are sure to make a mark on… er… history.
For the discerning chuddy commentator.
http://www.gizmag.com/shreddies-underwear-filters-farts/29509/
Shreddies erm! Very interesting. Tailor-made for the sub-incontinent!
O , does anyone know of any ‘ Sannyas-Cult Anonymous ‘ correspondence classes ? I need to enroll asap !
Also, my friend told that some people running the meditations and even groups are on their normal names; they do not have sanyas names. So, perhaps they are Sodexho workers…and getting even played for work. So, Dominic’s date for the resort being sold might not be so far away. Exciting.
Lokesh, it’s not about who is making money. (even personally I would like many sanyasins making money, in a natural way, in creating a better world). It’s about one person having the power to decide over osho’s words. And perhaps about the fraud. I can understand you appreciate your personal quality time with living osho, that is fine. But there are many (also new) people who still are inspired by his words and meditations. So, that is an other situation, it’s not always just about me, me me me and my self and my experience with osho..
For me Osho’s words are just that…words. As for newcomers…good luck to them.
Fresch, you say, ‘ it’s not always just about me, me me me and my self and my experience with osho..’ I didn’t say that; you did.
Well Lokesh, I do not believe in you “words are just words”…you are an author yourself. What if there was a Canadian lawyer to decide what you write? How would that be?
It is really difficult for the westerners,
to differentiate between writers and mystics,
because there have been so few mystics in west.
writers believe they are the owners of their creation,
so they believe in copy right and treat their creation as private property.
Mystics on the other hand become hollow bamboos,
their creation whatever it is,
to them it is existence responding to the disciples,
Mystics do not take their creation as their own property,
to be willed to their fevourite ones.
So Mystics of east,
none of them have claimed the authorship and property rights of their creation,
it would be foolish for them to lay claim over the creations of existence,
none of the mystics have been foolish,
Osho too was not such a fool.
But to expect Jayesh, Amrito, Anando, and intellectually blind ex osho disciples of SN,
that they will treat Osho as a mystic and not just a writer,
is asking for impossible.
If ever Osho signed a will,
that was either a joke or zen stick,
it means that whoever is beneficiary of that will,
is an idiot third class disciple,
who is interested in the mud of power and wealth,
actually it is a certification of Osho
that Jayesh, Amrito, Anando are third grade disciples.
I remember Osho saying somewhere,
that first class disciples they are interested,
in dissolving into the presence of Master,
they get so much dissolved,
that one day they are disappeared,
and invisible inner vast godliness/truth of Master is left in them,
that is the flame of invisible inner vast godlinss/truth,
jumps from Master to the first class disciple,
thereupon even when Master has left his body,
his flame remains available in his first class disciple,
the first class disciple become Master.
The third class disciple
remains interested in power and wealth,
and will
and if there is no will
forging a will
and guidance,
and banning
all sorts of monkey business.
Bodh Ekantam says:
“So Mystics of east,
none of them have claimed the authorship and property rights of their creation,
it would be foolish for them to lay claim over the creations of existence,
none of the mystics have been foolish,
Osho too was not such a fool.”
That’s interesting. Are these your words Bodh?
Because if they are – then according to you – Osho is a fool:
http://i.imgur.com/H9C3qDV.jpg
The inside cover of “I am the gate” clearly shows ‘Copyright 1975′
In fact all the books and tapes I have from the 70′s have a Copyright notice.
How can you explain this Bodh Ekantam?
Was this ‘Copyrighting’ being done without Osho’s knowledge?
You will not find such notice’s on your PDF downloads – because they have been removed.
The fact is Bodh, Osho was well aware of his words being copyrighted.
He always wanted me to see the world the way it was. And not how I would like it to be.
This can be a painful experience. (An experience many are seeking to avoid these days)
But if you choose to live in a dream where the past is not allowed to
encroach into your fantasy about Osho.
Then you are free to do so.
Enjoy.
I’m reading ‘Be realistic. Plan for a Miracle. )
Copyright 1977.
I have a copy of all the Darshan Diaries.
All copyrighted.
Swami Anubodh!
In india,
Gita, Upanishads, Dhammapada, and all other scriptures
have not been copyrighted.
It is a laughable never heard of.
Priest never had copyrights over Scriptures.
Osho may have used the device of copyright in past,
so that the money raised is used at his command,
he used the money at his command to spread his work.
Now Osho is not in body,
now the copyright is at the command of Priest Jayesh,
the money raised is now for profiteering of Resort business of Jayesh,
the copyright is a device in the hands of Jayesh,
to interfere with Osho’s work through his other disciples!
This copyright device is like a knife,
Osho used that to chop vegetables and make curry for his disciples,
Jayesh is using that to chop off the disciples and make curry for himself!
Can you see the irony Swami Anubodh?
I will tell you what I see.
I see you equating Osho’s words with ‘Scriptures’ and so completing the transformation
of the Sannyas movement into yet another worthless religion.
Well done Bodh, Osho would be very proud of you.
(Oh… and I think you will find that Osho used the money to buy Rolls Royce’s rather then ‘spread his work’)
Yes, good spot, Anubodh, my sediments entirely. This guy Ekantam has all the characteristics of your typical, common-or-garden, everyday, conventional, card-carrying, neighbourhood fundamentalist religionist.
Quoting “scriptures” in thoroughly priestly fashion, condemning ‘lapsed’, er, ‘believers’, asserting spiritual and intellectual superiority, wishing to ‘cleanse the ‘movement’ of ‘impurities’…All classic traits of the type in question, which just happens to be one of the sorts of human being that Osho was most at pains to undermine. Oh, the irony – you really couldn’t make it up!
But unfortunately, we’d have to wait a very long time before this one wakes up to the game he’s playing, as he’s clearly been deeply conditioned to believe he’s ‘special’, one of an ‘elite’, any critics therefore, by definition, being utterly misguided fools, heretics even.
Such is human stupidity, it just seems to go on and on, ad infinitum….
Add to that list of misguided actions:
Various negative statements about his ‘opponents’, based on unfounded assumptions, ie absolute ignorance about the individuals concerned, that happen to suit his particular agenda.
About on the same general level as any irresponsible propagandist who chooses to use the respect for freedom of expression of ‘liberal’ media while holding and disseminating beliefs and values essentially contrary to those of the very media he’s using. All in the name of ‘ultimate freedom’, of course!
And what’s worse, apparently absolutely unaware of how in his writings he’s actually contradicting the very values he imagines he thinks he’s ‘crusading’ for!
Takes all sorts to start a phoney religion, I guess….
Maybe we could unload Bodh Ekantam to the Muslims during the January transfer window? then they can play him in his more natural position upfront as a hate preacher.
Good idea – although he probably wouldn’t want to admit he hated anyone (unless he could varnish it with a touch of righteous ‘spin’) as that wouldn’t really sort of fit with his impeccably ‘spiritual’ self-image.
Still, if a ‘religious authority’ (preferably south Asian, of course) told him that would be doing ‘God’s work’ then I guess he’d simply have to agree…
As it is, he’s clearly being advised by Swami R so he’s well on the way already…
So, yes, Anubodh, that might well work, nice one.