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		<title>By: prem martyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>prem martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BV..i&#039;ve commented on this holography , before, way back.. even before you posted here on SN... but the relationship for a polymath with an Archimedean palimpsest is very different from my own which looks for the aha ha ha ha  moment of gags as a method of shinturu cokasuku ...
do you have a plough with which you wade through these things.. Parmartha has borrowed mine for my latest post to shantam....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BV..i&#8217;ve commented on this holography , before, way back.. even before you posted here on SN&#8230; but the relationship for a polymath with an Archimedean palimpsest is very different from my own which looks for the aha ha ha ha  moment of gags as a method of shinturu cokasuku &#8230;<br />
do you have a plough with which you wade through these things.. Parmartha has borrowed mine for my latest post to shantam&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bodhi Vartan</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/2603#comment-37449</link>
		<dc:creator>Bodhi Vartan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SCIFI says: 
&gt;&gt; holographic Universe :
We are on other side of the field.

I am extremely surprised that nobody has commented on the Holographic Universe  link I put up in Caravanserai considering that it is one of man’s greatest discoveries ever … 

My feeling is that The Field is inside us. Well at least we are experiencing it as being inside but it’s actually outside. We are at the interface. WE ARE THE INTERFACE. We are not only looking at the world upside-down we are also looking at it &quot;inside-out&quot;.  The Landscape (out there) is actually being manufactured inside us and projected outwards (the observer generated reality) and the Inscape (&quot;The Field&quot;) is our common home. (That ‘place inside’ is actually somewhere ‘out there’ on the event horizon where all this is taking place.) We are all the same consciousness pretending not to be. There is more to meat than meets the eye.

I thoroughly recommend for everyone to watch the video. It’s 7½ hours long but if you didn’t already know about the subject you won’t be the same person by the end of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCIFI says:<br />
&gt;&gt; holographic Universe :<br />
We are on other side of the field.</p>
<p>I am extremely surprised that nobody has commented on the Holographic Universe  link I put up in Caravanserai considering that it is one of man’s greatest discoveries ever … </p>
<p>My feeling is that The Field is inside us. Well at least we are experiencing it as being inside but it’s actually outside. We are at the interface. WE ARE THE INTERFACE. We are not only looking at the world upside-down we are also looking at it &#8220;inside-out&#8221;.  The Landscape (out there) is actually being manufactured inside us and projected outwards (the observer generated reality) and the Inscape (&#8220;The Field&#8221;) is our common home. (That ‘place inside’ is actually somewhere ‘out there’ on the event horizon where all this is taking place.) We are all the same consciousness pretending not to be. There is more to meat than meets the eye.</p>
<p>I thoroughly recommend for everyone to watch the video. It’s 7½ hours long but if you didn’t already know about the subject you won’t be the same person by the end of it.</p>
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		<title>By: SCIFI</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/2603#comment-37334</link>
		<dc:creator>SCIFI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[holographic Universe : Scientist Basher says that : we are not ever going to be out higher self , no matter how much dynamic , kundalini , mystic , whirling meditation or spiritual evolving we do. We are on other side of the field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>holographic Universe : Scientist Basher says that : we are not ever going to be out higher self , no matter how much dynamic , kundalini , mystic , whirling meditation or spiritual evolving we do. We are on other side of the field.</p>
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		<title>By: SCIFI</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/2603#comment-37316</link>
		<dc:creator>SCIFI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 07:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[after surrendering to nothingness .... what !!! if you again feel empty and again u will start whole birth cycle and evolution. will u remain witness or will take part in it ???? Journey will remain cont. as witness or u will not feel even witness ??? who will feel ??? nothingness is coming in dimension for what 1. Auto mode 2. for Joy 3. feeling empty 4. to know illusory self and than NJoyyyy real self 5. why again n again n again , no control over it ???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after surrendering to nothingness &#8230;. what !!! if you again feel empty and again u will start whole birth cycle and evolution. will u remain witness or will take part in it ???? Journey will remain cont. as witness or u will not feel even witness ??? who will feel ??? nothingness is coming in dimension for what 1. Auto mode 2. for Joy 3. feeling empty 4. to know illusory self and than NJoyyyy real self 5. why again n again n again , no control over it ???</p>
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		<title>By: Bodhi Vartan</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/2603#comment-37066</link>
		<dc:creator>Bodhi Vartan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 05:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[prem martyn says:
&gt;&gt; and you did three years at the non impositional humanoisity, because it was not about releasing the blocked first third or the 5th chakra… do me a favour….

Osho did put a lot of energy towards Veeresh at the time, praising him and giving him private interviews, etc ...

I cannot see how I am blaming you. If anything you are blaming me for the reaching, some time ago, the position you are in now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prem martyn says:<br />
&gt;&gt; and you did three years at the non impositional humanoisity, because it was not about releasing the blocked first third or the 5th chakra… do me a favour….</p>
<p>Osho did put a lot of energy towards Veeresh at the time, praising him and giving him private interviews, etc &#8230;</p>
<p>I cannot see how I am blaming you. If anything you are blaming me for the reaching, some time ago, the position you are in now.</p>
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		<title>By: Bodhi Vartan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bodhi Vartan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 03:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[satyadeva says:
Just curious….

There was a time when Veeresh was &#039;the rebel&#039; to the official &#039;Sheela line&#039; in the same way that these days Shantam is &#039;the rebel&#039; to the official &#039;Jayesh line&#039;. I like to check thing out. Whatever is going on now might not be same as what was going on 15-20 years ago. 

The whole object of communes is to show you where you are ...  as most people tend to undervalue themselves. 

The problem with psychology and therapy is that you never see the successes because they get sorted and move-on but the failures will linger around forever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>satyadeva says:<br />
Just curious….</p>
<p>There was a time when Veeresh was &#8216;the rebel&#8217; to the official &#8216;Sheela line&#8217; in the same way that these days Shantam is &#8216;the rebel&#8217; to the official &#8216;Jayesh line&#8217;. I like to check thing out. Whatever is going on now might not be same as what was going on 15-20 years ago. </p>
<p>The whole object of communes is to show you where you are &#8230;  as most people tend to undervalue themselves. </p>
<p>The problem with psychology and therapy is that you never see the successes because they get sorted and move-on but the failures will linger around forever.</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vartan, I&#039;m just wondering why you bothered to spend so much time at the Humaniversity if, as you&#039;ve already stated here - or certainly given the impression - you grew up &#039;happy&#039;, without debilitating personal issues requiring deep therapeutic intervention?

And also bearing in mind your years living with &#039;Veerseh people&#039; in London, which you suggested wasn&#039;t exactly all that &#039;appropriate&#039; for you, ie you felt rather distant from much of what was going on there.

Just curious....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vartan, I&#8217;m just wondering why you bothered to spend so much time at the Humaniversity if, as you&#8217;ve already stated here &#8211; or certainly given the impression &#8211; you grew up &#8216;happy&#8217;, without debilitating personal issues requiring deep therapeutic intervention?</p>
<p>And also bearing in mind your years living with &#8216;Veerseh people&#8217; in London, which you suggested wasn&#8217;t exactly all that &#8216;appropriate&#8217; for you, ie you felt rather distant from much of what was going on there.</p>
<p>Just curious&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: prem martyn</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/2603#comment-37037</link>
		<dc:creator>prem martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 11:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if you are taking responsibility why are you blaming me ?

I take full responsibility, to blame you.. but that&#039;s because I shift the goal posts

I&#039;m 2-0 up and it&#039;s half time....

have a word with the coach, try a   4 4 3 formation...

number 2 is a generalisation for what purpose and what evidence... that we looked like bearded retards.. well fair enough squire.. you seem to have the trite considerations there well sorted....

and you did three years at the non impositional humanoisity, because it was not about releasing the blocked first third  or the 5th chakra... do me a favour....
here are some marines... quick go tell it to them... (obscure reference to ww2 joke)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you are taking responsibility why are you blaming me ?</p>
<p>I take full responsibility, to blame you.. but that&#8217;s because I shift the goal posts</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 2-0 up and it&#8217;s half time&#8230;.</p>
<p>have a word with the coach, try a   4 4 3 formation&#8230;</p>
<p>number 2 is a generalisation for what purpose and what evidence&#8230; that we looked like bearded retards.. well fair enough squire.. you seem to have the trite considerations there well sorted&#8230;.</p>
<p>and you did three years at the non impositional humanoisity, because it was not about releasing the blocked first third  or the 5th chakra&#8230; do me a favour&#8230;.<br />
here are some marines&#8230; quick go tell it to them&#8230; (obscure reference to ww2 joke)</p>
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		<title>By: Bodhi Vartan</title>
		<link>https://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/2603#comment-37025</link>
		<dc:creator>Bodhi Vartan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 02:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[prem martyn says:&gt;&gt; Anyone who comes out with trite conscriptural impositions really is blowing out their arse. I’m not in a school of life and I don’t have a syllabus to complete.
There is absolutely no excuse for bad behaviour. I understand that many of the strong outbursts here, arise out of accumulated exasperation with having to deal with idiots in sannyas and there were plenty of them around. I have three comments:

1. You have take responsibility. Altogether I did over three years humaniversity residential and I didn’t do one dynamic. Not one. In my whole sannyas life I probably did three dynamics. I started doing dynamic about six months ago and now I am sixty I love it. It sorted out my biologics. I treat it like exercise and I put as much or as little as want in it.

2. I think the brave souls who made it to Osho and India those days (let’s say the ‘70s) where a lot tougher and carried a lot more anger and resentment within them (wasn’t that, which got them there in the first place?) than your today’s average London office boy/girl ... 

3. I am not sure if you noticed how much the word ‘friendship’ is currently being thrown around. A friend doesn’t have to do what you want but he has to listen to you. As I said before, the old ‘lover’ models don’t work anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prem martyn says:&gt;&gt; Anyone who comes out with trite conscriptural impositions really is blowing out their arse. I’m not in a school of life and I don’t have a syllabus to complete.<br />
There is absolutely no excuse for bad behaviour. I understand that many of the strong outbursts here, arise out of accumulated exasperation with having to deal with idiots in sannyas and there were plenty of them around. I have three comments:</p>
<p>1. You have take responsibility. Altogether I did over three years humaniversity residential and I didn’t do one dynamic. Not one. In my whole sannyas life I probably did three dynamics. I started doing dynamic about six months ago and now I am sixty I love it. It sorted out my biologics. I treat it like exercise and I put as much or as little as want in it.</p>
<p>2. I think the brave souls who made it to Osho and India those days (let’s say the ‘70s) where a lot tougher and carried a lot more anger and resentment within them (wasn’t that, which got them there in the first place?) than your today’s average London office boy/girl &#8230; </p>
<p>3. I am not sure if you noticed how much the word ‘friendship’ is currently being thrown around. A friend doesn’t have to do what you want but he has to listen to you. As I said before, the old ‘lover’ models don’t work anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: prem martyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>prem martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Apr 2013 17:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BV..
 you do your osho and I will do mine...mine has had strong enduring overtures after profound confrontations, yours may well never have to live those out. 
I do not know anything about your negativist interpretation but if my approach implies anything that any others can use, and has hardly been spoken of let alone offered, then I&#039;m happy to be sticking my foot in my own door. If you think it&#039;s a corporate uniform door, that belongs to someone else, founded otherwise then it&#039;s your privilege to use any approach, any trick in the book, to say and do ...otherwise. 

I have been around.
My sentences and constructs are not the source of my identity nor conviction.It&#039;s just something that I do. That and unpredictable playfulness to the max, but obviously I have had nothing more to do with sannyasidom for a good few years now. If you wish to oppose or sublimate or inveigle my intentions into a strategy of your own, be my guest.. or rather Parmartha&#039;s in this idea based virtuality. 

 Coercive formal manipulation of some or many sannyasins has destroyed sannyas and the loving rebellion which you love but cannot promote or at least confuse with regression, as above.

 I write here out of memory and the invitation for largely unministered interactions, because Sannyas in it&#039;s great and wonderful variety has not given birth to anything much like this, despite claiming to be the voice of the rebellious lovers, ...look around at the choices. One&#039;s which wouldn&#039;t stand libertarian scrutiny for a moment.

 I didn&#039;t even know about SN until 2010. For me it&#039;s a blog, and takes care of my intellectual solitude, its not a way of life , so I wouldn&#039;t worry about my or your opinion too much. I welcome everyone blowing their own trumpet, just don&#039;t expect anyone&#039;s tune to be the same. I don&#039;t,....... and here it&#039;s just spiritual entertaining football and I formally oppose the Paolo di Canio&#039;s of this world, lock stock and barrel.

Every day it amazes me that I write here, I often determine I will stop, and then type again, because although I have no expectation of anything happening from it, I have known big P.. and D a little bit and this is like writing for some underground samizdat from 1968. Bizarre and silly, but who knows someone might like the cartoons we paint and the links I send.

If you think I&#039;m that negative, what do you think of my links to Father Ted,... great as long as no-one mentions sannyas from the inside ? I don&#039;t ask for agreement , just examination. I&#039;m afraid that my opponents here don&#039;t have the gift of the gab for either or the self reliant imaginative aesthetic....fun. But keep trying.

Ps, do you also eat kebabs..and get religion on fish fridays ? ....and yes that is a sabotage attempt from me, just in case you are prone to dismissive subterfuge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BV..<br />
 you do your osho and I will do mine&#8230;mine has had strong enduring overtures after profound confrontations, yours may well never have to live those out.<br />
I do not know anything about your negativist interpretation but if my approach implies anything that any others can use, and has hardly been spoken of let alone offered, then I&#8217;m happy to be sticking my foot in my own door. If you think it&#8217;s a corporate uniform door, that belongs to someone else, founded otherwise then it&#8217;s your privilege to use any approach, any trick in the book, to say and do &#8230;otherwise. </p>
<p>I have been around.<br />
My sentences and constructs are not the source of my identity nor conviction.It&#8217;s just something that I do. That and unpredictable playfulness to the max, but obviously I have had nothing more to do with sannyasidom for a good few years now. If you wish to oppose or sublimate or inveigle my intentions into a strategy of your own, be my guest.. or rather Parmartha&#8217;s in this idea based virtuality. </p>
<p> Coercive formal manipulation of some or many sannyasins has destroyed sannyas and the loving rebellion which you love but cannot promote or at least confuse with regression, as above.</p>
<p> I write here out of memory and the invitation for largely unministered interactions, because Sannyas in it&#8217;s great and wonderful variety has not given birth to anything much like this, despite claiming to be the voice of the rebellious lovers, &#8230;look around at the choices. One&#8217;s which wouldn&#8217;t stand libertarian scrutiny for a moment.</p>
<p> I didn&#8217;t even know about SN until 2010. For me it&#8217;s a blog, and takes care of my intellectual solitude, its not a way of life , so I wouldn&#8217;t worry about my or your opinion too much. I welcome everyone blowing their own trumpet, just don&#8217;t expect anyone&#8217;s tune to be the same. I don&#8217;t,&#8230;&#8230;. and here it&#8217;s just spiritual entertaining football and I formally oppose the Paolo di Canio&#8217;s of this world, lock stock and barrel.</p>
<p>Every day it amazes me that I write here, I often determine I will stop, and then type again, because although I have no expectation of anything happening from it, I have known big P.. and D a little bit and this is like writing for some underground samizdat from 1968. Bizarre and silly, but who knows someone might like the cartoons we paint and the links I send.</p>
<p>If you think I&#8217;m that negative, what do you think of my links to Father Ted,&#8230; great as long as no-one mentions sannyas from the inside ? I don&#8217;t ask for agreement , just examination. I&#8217;m afraid that my opponents here don&#8217;t have the gift of the gab for either or the self reliant imaginative aesthetic&#8230;.fun. But keep trying.</p>
<p>Ps, do you also eat kebabs..and get religion on fish fridays ? &#8230;.and yes that is a sabotage attempt from me, just in case you are prone to dismissive subterfuge.</p>
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