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swamishanti posted an update in the group Caravanserai 4 years, 4 months ago
Hari Krishna’s warn about Ram Dass, Krishna Das, Neem Karoli Baba , and the nefarious activities of others who mix with Osho and other tantric sex cults in their monthly newspaper, ‘the Hari Krisna Sun’ :
“Krishna Das, along with Ram Dass, Jai Uttal, and others, once formed a band called Amazing Grace. Ram Dass and others from this band are documented to have been involved with a tantric sex cult in New York (circa 1974) run by Joya Sanatana. Specific details of various events revolving around Ram Dass, Bhagavan Das, and Joya Sanatana are well documented in various books. While details of Krishna Das’s involvement are not documented, his presence at these gatherings is noted:
* “Sometimes we would all go to her house. Of course, I’d have to sit in the very front, in front of her, which was always embarrassing for me. I’d walk into the room and there would be hundreds of people there, and I’d have to walk over everyone to get to the front. The powerful had to draw the shakti off. There was Krishna Das, me, and four or five other people in the front.” (Bhagavan Das)
Details of the activities of this tantric sex cult is graphically described in the book It’s Here Now (Are You? ), authored by Bhagavan Das. Because of the explicit nature of the content, herein we will not describe those details.
Ram Dass (Dr. Richard Alpert)—Gay-Porn Enthusiast, Bisexual Orientation, Ex-member of a Tantric Sex Cult, Pioneer of Experimentation with Psychedelic Drugs, and a Disciple of Neem Karoli Baba
It was Ram Dass who introduced Krishna Das to his own Mayavadi/sahajiya guru, Neem Karoli Baba. Because his health does not permit him to travel, Ram Dass conducts workshops at Bhaktifest via DVDs. He is also featured in The Journey Home (by Radhanatha Swami).
Ram Dass is famous for his book Be Here Now, which is supposed to be a story of his transformation from Dr. Richard Alpert (who along with Timothy Leary experimented with psychedelic drugs at Harvard) to Baba Ram Dass, a supposedly spiritual person. But even after having adopted a so-called spiritual path, Ram Dass is known to have been a member of a tantric sex cult. In 1997 Ram Dass suffered a serious stroke, and therefore basically does not travel (hence we do not see ISKCON leaders associating with him at public events). However, he is instrumental in establishing charities dedicated to Neem Karoli Baba and the teachings thereof, and is also one of the leading personalities behind Bhaktifest and also The Omega Institute for Holistic Studies (Rhineback, NY)—both of which are frequented by Radhanatha Swami, Gaura Vani, Mayapuris, and other members of ISKCON.”
(From the Harekrnsa.sun- see below)
Before youtake any advice from Hari Krishnas, here is some stuff that Prabhupada founder of H Krishnas actually said:
-“It may be concluded that white or a golden hue is the color of the higher caste, and black is the complexion of the sudras [lower class].
(SB 4.14.45, purport)
-“(The dark-skinned races) are not allowed to live in cities and towns because they are sinful by nature. As such, their bodies are very ugly, and their occupations are also sinful.”
-“They are always engaged in sinful activities like stealing…”
(SB 4.14.46, purport)
-“Sudra is to be controlled only. They are never to be given freedom. Just like in America. The blacks were slaves. They were under control. And since you have given them equal rights they are disturbing, most disturbing, always creating a fearful situation, uncultured and drunkards. What training they have got? They have got equal right? That is best, to keep them under control as slaves but give them sufficient food, sufficient cloth, not more than that. Then they will be satisfied.”
(Room Conversation, “Varnasrama System Must Be Introduced,” Mayapura, 2/14/77)
-“…the higher classes of men are white (sukla), and the lower classes of men are black. This division of white and black is in terms of one’s white and black duties of life. Pious acts lead one to… acquire beautiful features. Impious acts lead one to… acquire ugly bodily features.”
(SB 3.5.9, purport)
-“Yes. We hate to mix with you (a man reported to be homosexual). No gentleman tries to mix with loafers. Even in America, they don’t like to live with the blacks. Crows will not like to live with the ducks and white swans. And white swans will not like to live with the crows. That is natural division. ‘Birds of the same feather flock together.’”
(1/11/77, Allahabad)
-“…woman has no independence, because they cannot keep their independence—it is not possible.”
-“By nature they are weak…”
-“In the Western countries, the women are given freedom like man, but that is unnatural.”
-“So, woman—the conclusion is that women are weak.”
(SB Lecture, Los Angeles, 11/30/73)
-“Independence for women means they become like prostitutes.”
-“Women cannot do anything independently. To give them independence means to create some trouble.”
(SB Lecture, Los Angeles, 5/19/72)
-“Women are inferior to men, and… men are given full charge of the women.”
-“Women are supposed to be less intelligent.”
(TLK 5)
-“Women should not be given freedom. Like a child, she is not given freedom.”
(SB Lecture, Los Angeles, 7/11/74)
-“It is found that the brain substance in man is found up to 64 ounce. They are very highly intellectual persons. And in woman the brain substance is not found more than 34 ounce. You’ll find, therefore, that there is no very great scientist, mathematician, philosopher, among women. You’ll never find because their brain substance cannot go.”
(BG lecture, Hawaii, 2/3/75)
-“Women as a class are no better than boys, and therefore they have no discriminatory power like that of a man.”
(SB 1.7.42, purport)
-“According to Canakya Pandita, women are generally not very intelligent and therefore not trustworthy.”
-“As children are very prone to be misled, women are similarly very prone to degradation.”
(BG 1.40, purport)
-“Now, in the ‘Manu-samhita’ it is clearly stated that a woman should not be given freedom. That does not mean that women are to be kept as slaves, but they are like children. The demons have now neglected such injunctions, and they think that women should be given as much freedom as men.”
(BG 16.7, purport)
-“Women as a class are no better than boys, and therefore they have no discriminatory power like that of a man.”
(SB 1.7.42, purport)
-“A woman’s attachment to her husband may elevate her to the body of a man in her next life, but a man’s attachment to woman will degrade him, and in his next life he will get the body of a woman.”
(SB 3.31.41, purport)
-“It is understood that the sexual appetite of a woman is nine times greater than that of a man.”
(SB 3.23.44, purport)
-“Women in general are very much sexually inclined. Indeed, it is said that a woman’s sex desire is nine times stronger than a man’s.”
(SB 4.27.1, purport)
-“Women as a class are merciless and cunning. They cannot tolerate even a slight offense. For their own pleasure they can do anything irreligious, and therefore they do not fear killing even a faithful husband or brother.”
-“Because of her nature, a woman can respond to even a slight offense from her husband by not only leaving him but even killing him if required. To say nothing of her husband, she can even kill her brother. That is a woman’s nature.”
(SB 9.14.37)
-“It is the nature of women to fight verbally at even a slight provocation. As we see from this incident, this has been their nature for a long, long time.”
(SB 9.18.16, purport)
-“To satisfy their own interests, women deal with men as if the men were most dear to them, but no one is actually dear to them. Women are supposed to be very saintly, but for their own interests they can kill even their husbands, sons or brothers, or cause them to be killed by others.”
-“Women must be cared for so that they will not be free to manifest their natural tendency for gross selfishness. There have been many cases, even in the present day, in which women have killed their husbands to take advantage of their insurance policies. This is not a criticism of women but a practical study of their nature.”
(SB 6.18.42, purport)
-“A man is always famous for his aggression toward a beautiful woman, and such aggression is sometimes considered rape. Although rape is not legally allowed, it is a fact that a woman likes a man who is very expert at rape.”
(SB 4.25.41, purport)
-“…the homosexual appetite of a man for another man is demoniac and is not for any sane male in the ordinary course of life.”
(SB 3.20.26, purport)
-“In India there are some such low-class (homosexual) men, but not (lesbian) women, never women. This is very low class.”
(Conversation with Govinda dasi, Montreal)
-“When after enjoying so many women, they become impotent, then they artificially create another impulse in homosex. This is the psychology. So people are degraded so much.”
(7/3/75, Chicago)
-“The world is degrading to the lowest status, even less than animal. The animals also do not support homosex. They never have sex life between male to male. They are less than animal. This is all due to godlessness.”
(5/25/72, Los Angeles)
-“They are discussing in the university homosex. Just see. They are not even fourth class men; they are animals, producing so many animals, that’s all, dogs and hogs.”
(5/14/75, Perth)
I know . Actually I was just thinking of some of those things earlier.