Comments on: ‘Osho: Intimate Glimpses’, by Anando: Lokesh reflects

By: satyadeva

satyadeva — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 14:04:03 +0000

“The mind can mislead you. It can project, the desire can cause you to hope falsely.”

That’s an example of what I mean by emotion-driven preferences and decisions, NP.

And it can be a tricky thing recognising what comes from the heart and what is from emotion. In Sannyas the difference often wasn’t made clear, so at times the scene tended to resemble a swirling vortex of hyped-up emotionality, with Osho himself encouraging sannyasins to “have an emotional relationship with me”.

That’s the way he worked, inevitably, I suppose, considering the culture he came from.

By: Nityaprem

Nityaprem — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 12:01:59 +0000

So what about the 12 years of observation? What about false gurus? Is it possible for the heart to be misled?

My impression is the heart is not wrong. If it tells you this is the person, then it’s up to you whether you pay attention.

The mind can mislead you. It can project, the desire can cause you to hope falsely.

By: satchit

satchit — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 10:55:57 +0000

Exactly, SD.

Some sit, some talk, some dance, some laugh.

Some play the good guy, some play the bad guy.

By: satyadeva

satyadeva — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 10:43:14 +0000

Essentially the same, perhaps, Satchit, but their ways can be and usually are very different. Not to mention their person-alities!

By: satchit

satchit — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 10:31:08 +0000

@ NP

Certainly all Gurus are the same.

The heart seeks for a mirror in this all-is-the-same-ness.

By: satchit

satchit — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 10:20:18 +0000

Yes, I can imagine what you mean, SD.

The question is also:
Who is “careful”?

Is the mind careful because it wants to avoid trouble and better wants to move with the known?

If I would have been careful in the past then I would have never taken Sannyas.
Only the heart takes the jump.

But on the other side, who knows where I would have been in this parallel universe?

By: satyadeva

satyadeva — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 10:02:24 +0000

Surely all depends on the individual’s readiness, NP? There’s a time to be one-on-one with a master like Papaji, and there’s a time to be part of a community listening to a master’s public talks (and participating in other beneficial activities).

While in Pune One you could enjoy both, the lectures and the darshans (and the rest). And many sannyasins went to Papaji and other teachers, having been well prepared by their time with Osho.

By: Nityaprem

Nityaprem — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 09:50:25 +0000

@satchit, who said “My experience is that the heart selects the teacher, even if some call it a cliche. And the heart is not always careful.”

I think there is some truth in that, but it is also said that in the end all gurus are the same guru. How exactly the heart selects is hard to say.

Yesterday I spent an hour looking through old photographs of Neem Karoli Baba, Ramana, Nisargadatta, and Papaji, and I could feel something special in all of them.

I think one has to be aware when a teacher has something to impart to you, and when not. Ram Dass once said of his guru Neem Karoli Baba that he taught him to love. Rupert Spira said that being close to his teacher Francis Lucille was like being a dry piece of wood next to a flaming piece of wood; a transmission happened, he was illuminated.

By: Nityaprem

Nityaprem — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 09:29:13 +0000

SD, I wouldn’t want to hazard a guess why Osho gave sannyas to everyone who showed an interest. But he created a very visible movement which had a wide scope, which was maybe more relevant than the spiritual goals that were opened to the individual.

If you were really interested in enlightenment, you might have got more from a few minutes with Papaji than from a dozen long Osho lectures. But that would involve being an independent seeker, and most of the people with Osho were “his sannyasins”.

By: satyadeva

satyadeva — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 09:07:59 +0000

Perhaps it’s more accurate to say ‘the emotions’ rather than “the heart”, Satchit “heart” suggesting a more profound feeling reality than emotions that come and go and are intrinsically unreliable.