Comments on: The Signature of Poison/ Osho’s death

By: Lokesh

Lokesh — Sun, 01 May 2011 18:08:44 +0000

To put forward the idea that Osho took care of his health is preposterous. Exercise is number one in the health stakes and Osho didn’t get any of that…hey but hold on….did anyone check if his Rollers had power steering?…driving a five ton gas-guzzler can provide a strenous work out if a Rolls does not have power-assisted steering…perhaps we’re on to something here. Then again, with a little imagination, I can see Osho pushing a 100kilos on the bench press in in air-conditioned cave. Some of those hats he wore must have weighed a few kilos…providing an excellent neck muscle work out…those fancy mudras must have built up his fingers…I’ve heard that shaking hands with Osho was like jamming your hand in a car door…did anyone see Osho shaking hands with like Arnold Schwarzenneggar or any other body builder types? Kavita, get your Sherlock Holmes outfit on…this is a serious investigation. Could you try and get hold of some photos of Osho working out with his bullworker back in the year dot. I heard he also had x-ray specs as a child. Perhaps it was due to this that he developed his ability to see right through people. This is all so exciting! Live is a mystery to be solved not a…I’ve forgotten how that mantra goes.

By: sannyasnews

sannyasnews — Sun, 01 May 2011 16:57:29 +0000

Thanks Kavita.
We were thinking of the Ranch period, 1982 to 1985 when Osho alluded to swimming every day and we are asking whether there was a swimming pool in Osho’s compound there.
Osho’s health did improve in Oregon. Medics rightly point out that asthmatics almost invariably have improved health in desert air.

By: Kavita

Kavita — Sun, 01 May 2011 15:58:18 +0000

Editor of Sannyasnews . . Osho has mentioned about his swimming in a river in Golden Glimpses . . its not common to have a swimming pool in India even now . . anyway here below is a link to that . . in case if you havent read that . .
http://oshosearch.net/Convert/Articles_Osho/Glimpses_of_a_Golden_Childhood/Osho-Glimpses-of-a-Golden-Childhood-00000027.html

By: sannyasnews

sannyasnews — Sun, 01 May 2011 14:37:05 +0000

Note from Editor:
Just in case readers do not know what is a Bull Worker. It’s a German invention from the 1960′s where one could do a full round of 24 exercises. Details at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullworker

On the Ranch Osho was said at the time to swim every day and he mentioned this in one Press Conference. There has been no independent mention of this. Do any readers know whether Osho’s compound contained a swimming pool, and whether Osho used it regularly?

By: Kavita

Kavita — Sun, 01 May 2011 14:14:03 +0000

Lokesh . . thanx for sharing Rupesh’s story . .
would like to share there was a time in between mid 50′s – early 70′s . . when Osho traveled a lot and stayed at a sannyassins / friends . . during this time he stayed at Sw Satish’s family home in Jallandhar & he shared with us that Osho would carry a bull worker in his trunk & he has photos of Osho which do show that he sweated it out . . I feel Osho never stuck to anything /anyone for too long . . I do wonder why he stuck to NO2 . . anyway this is not a book to say ‘ End of story ‘ . .

By: Lokesh

Lokesh — Sun, 01 May 2011 13:03:11 +0000

Lets get this straight. Osho consumed a lot of N2O. Rupesh, who died recently in Mexico, told me about a period on the ranch where one of his jobs was to deliver metal gas cannisters to Osho’s house. Rupesh being a lazy Mexicano at heart, complained about how heavy the gas bottles were. I enjoyed Rupesh’s story and also how he was so non-serious about the whole thing…like Osho was hooked on laughing gas, ha-ha-ha, what a crazy master,
I’ve used N2O and although giving quite a sensational high, it would not be a drug of choice for me as over time it produces nasty headaches. It is pretty much established that long term use can produce nerve damage. Even back in the seventies, Osho was not a well man. He wasn’t exactly the type of person who enjoyed a strenous and sweaty workout in the gym. Personally, I found it quite remarkable how he managed to hang on to his body for so long. I somehow cannot quite believe that he was poisoned by the American government. One thing we have that definately counters that theory is that there is not a shred of evidence to support it. Yes, I daresay Osho belived it himself, but he was not immune to believing in things that had no foundation in consensual reality. His predictions about AIDS etc were way off, yet he wanted us to belive something that was not true. There are many other instances of this but I’m sure you catch my drift.
Osho really did little to take care of his health and did quite a lot that damaged it. End of story.

By: sannyasnews

sannyasnews — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 05:11:53 +0000

SD,
the book you mention is not Maneesha’s, “Jesus Crucified Again…” – this is largely a selection of Osho extracts from 1984/85 from lectures he gave at that time whilst still in America. The third part of the book is from extracts from lectures Osho gave on his so-called “World Tour”, and also when back in India. It was “edited” by someone called Ma Deva Sarita. To my surprise it was first published by the so-called “Rebel Publishing House GmbH” in Cologne, not from Pune.
Like many books coming from the “official” Rajneesh/Osho organisations it does not include the date of publication! This absurd procedure was and still is justified because they see Osho as not part of time itself, and therefore cannot be said to be published in any given year, etc. !

‘What someone dies of’ is actually very elusive even in western medicine. There are medical thesis on this in the Lancet etc…. Apparently many mistakes are made even after autopsies, etc. Maybe sometimes human beings just “give up”!
Thank you for your on topic post.

By: Satya Deva

Satya Deva — Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:32:07 +0000

I wonder how much conclusive evidence there is that Osho was a victim of poisoning…
IF he was actually lying about it then it must have been to deflect, at least partly, attention and criticism, amidst the post-Ranch fall-out, away from himself and his people and on to wicked old Reagan and his gang. Thus assuming the public identity not only of fearless critic and lampooner of worldly authorities, but also of their innocent victim.

Elementary political strategy really, I suppose.

But it seems we’ll never know the truth, despite the stridently proclaimed title of Maneesha’s book, ‘Jesus Crucified Again – This Time in Ronald Reagan’s America’.

By: Satya Deva

Satya Deva — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 23:58:00 +0000

Another point from Paramiti’s posts is the radical idea that Osho lied about being poisoned by the US government in order to provide a more ‘attractive’ story – myth, perhaps is the right word here – with which to entice future generations to his ideas and ways…

Well…Who knows?! I’ve certainly never come across this one before and it’s definitely food for thought all right…

And yet – something tells me that it’s just a bit too far-fetched, even for Osho, who never wanted to be the founder of any ‘religion’ and who is recorded as having said, on his death-bed, that he preferred to be remembered “as a nobody”.

Besides, the power, the major selling-point of Christianity is the story, the belief, that Jesus ‘rose again from the dead’, thus ‘proving’ he was – is, they would tell us – not like us, not of this world, but ‘truly’ of God. Don’t think Osho could top that one, somehow…

Mind you, this laughing gas business does place him right up there in the small pantheon of ‘crazy Masters’, places him firmly in the happy little group of the ‘disreputable’, the ‘amoral’, the true ‘laughing boys’ of this very Earth and Beyond!

PS: Isn’t it conceivable that apart from pure pleasure he also took this stuff to provide relief from physical pain?

By: dharmen

dharmen — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:17:27 +0000

Shantam, The Mystic Rose is indeed a wonderful process but do you know it probably served another purpose: when Osho came back to Pune, after his world tour, the ashram was presented with a massive back tax bill and at that time the coffers were far from full. Osho came up with the Mystic Rose and the recommendation that every sannyasin should do it, within 12 months the tax bill had been paid. All kudos to Osho, I say, he probably saved the day.