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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2019 16:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To clarify one or two things I&#039;ve mentioned, here&#039;s  BL on &quot;real knowledge&quot;, eg the universe as a reflection of &quot;the being of the human race&quot;...

&quot;Human knowledge is based on the experience of an individual mind or body. Real knowledge is not dependent on cause and effect or on the frontal part of the brain that we call the human mind. It is based on the being of the human race — that is, life on earth. Real knowledge is impersonal.

This being is as infinitely deep as the space we see in the universe, which is actually a re-presentation of the depth of me.&quot;*

*&quot;me&quot;, as used by BL, indicates each individual&#039;s essential being.

And re the basis of Astrology...

&quot;As the real value of a man&#039;s past life passes out of terrestrial mind...it disperses and manifests throughout the entire universe. Because the man has always been a part of the universe his energy pervades even the most distant nebulae and is in every energetic expression originating anywhere in the universe. Every cosmic influence received on earth has to have his number on it.

For these cosmic influences to be received on earth they first have to be converted to our particular terrestrial frequency. This is performed by the sun&#039;s radiation. Acting like a massive broom or an electro-magnetic brush ceaselessly sweeping the vast area prescribed by the orbiting planets, it picks up the influences from these planets as well as from outer cosmic sources entering the solar system. These it monitors, down-grading and up-grading them to the suitable frequency for life on earth. The information is transmitted in photons or light particles to the mind through the eyes and other tissues.

This process is the basis of astrology - man&#039;s most successful attempt so far to formulate the mythic principle behind the Draconic evolutionary system. But it must be understood that astrology is only a partial approximation of the truth. Due to psychic distortion in the human mind and insufficiently perceived data, it falls short in its application to specific phenomena.

The new life a man makes for himself in the death world passes as Real Energy...to be added to Man diffused throughout the universe. Showering down onto the earth from the rest of the cosmos, the new life is absorbed by his mother-to-be through sunlight as well as through the food she eats and the air she breathes. These influences...are the external factor that at the right moment will trigger the man&#039;s conception and birth, just as eventually they will trigger his death. 

At the precise moment of his birth (or conception) the entire universe, and more specifically the Sun and planets, will be in certain positions relative to the earth. Together these configurations - correlating to the place, year, month, day and time the man is born - will present the nature of his self-made future in the language of universal symbolism. If the positions of the cosmic bodies...can be mapped and the symbols correctly interpreted...for the moment of his birth (the earnest endeavour of astrologers down through the ages), the result will indicate not only his self-made nature or future but also the cosmic assistance and resistance he will encounter in endeavouring to realize the full potential of his new life. Furthermore, the subsequent positions of the cosmic bodies will show the events affecting the man&#039;s life at any particular time.&quot;

From &#039;The Origins of Man and The Universe&#039;, by Barry Long]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify one or two things I&#8217;ve mentioned, here&#8217;s  BL on &#8220;real knowledge&#8221;, eg the universe as a reflection of &#8220;the being of the human race&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Human knowledge is based on the experience of an individual mind or body. Real knowledge is not dependent on cause and effect or on the frontal part of the brain that we call the human mind. It is based on the being of the human race — that is, life on earth. Real knowledge is impersonal.</p>
<p>This being is as infinitely deep as the space we see in the universe, which is actually a re-presentation of the depth of me.&#8221;*</p>
<p>*&#8221;me&#8221;, as used by BL, indicates each individual&#8217;s essential being.</p>
<p>And re the basis of Astrology&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;As the real value of a man&#8217;s past life passes out of terrestrial mind&#8230;it disperses and manifests throughout the entire universe. Because the man has always been a part of the universe his energy pervades even the most distant nebulae and is in every energetic expression originating anywhere in the universe. Every cosmic influence received on earth has to have his number on it.</p>
<p>For these cosmic influences to be received on earth they first have to be converted to our particular terrestrial frequency. This is performed by the sun&#8217;s radiation. Acting like a massive broom or an electro-magnetic brush ceaselessly sweeping the vast area prescribed by the orbiting planets, it picks up the influences from these planets as well as from outer cosmic sources entering the solar system. These it monitors, down-grading and up-grading them to the suitable frequency for life on earth. The information is transmitted in photons or light particles to the mind through the eyes and other tissues.</p>
<p>This process is the basis of astrology &#8211; man&#8217;s most successful attempt so far to formulate the mythic principle behind the Draconic evolutionary system. But it must be understood that astrology is only a partial approximation of the truth. Due to psychic distortion in the human mind and insufficiently perceived data, it falls short in its application to specific phenomena.</p>
<p>The new life a man makes for himself in the death world passes as Real Energy&#8230;to be added to Man diffused throughout the universe. Showering down onto the earth from the rest of the cosmos, the new life is absorbed by his mother-to-be through sunlight as well as through the food she eats and the air she breathes. These influences&#8230;are the external factor that at the right moment will trigger the man&#8217;s conception and birth, just as eventually they will trigger his death. </p>
<p>At the precise moment of his birth (or conception) the entire universe, and more specifically the Sun and planets, will be in certain positions relative to the earth. Together these configurations &#8211; correlating to the place, year, month, day and time the man is born &#8211; will present the nature of his self-made future in the language of universal symbolism. If the positions of the cosmic bodies&#8230;can be mapped and the symbols correctly interpreted&#8230;for the moment of his birth (the earnest endeavour of astrologers down through the ages), the result will indicate not only his self-made nature or future but also the cosmic assistance and resistance he will encounter in endeavouring to realize the full potential of his new life. Furthermore, the subsequent positions of the cosmic bodies will show the events affecting the man&#8217;s life at any particular time.&#8221;</p>
<p>From &#8216;The Origins of Man and The Universe&#8217;, by Barry Long</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7992#comment-88499</link>
		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 22:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Much information was exchanged over drinks in The Belmont pub, I recall - some good times there, and so convenient for Kalptaru (and my flat, itself just behind the old Cemtre). 

Anyway, , Anubodh, Liz Greene is American (and British) with dark hair so it could have been her. Although when I saw her in &#039;84 she was living in Savernake Road, near Parliament Hill.

And here she is: https://www.astro.com/people/greene_e.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much information was exchanged over drinks in The Belmont pub, I recall &#8211; some good times there, and so convenient for Kalptaru (and my flat, itself just behind the old Cemtre). </p>
<p>Anyway, , Anubodh, Liz Greene is American (and British) with dark hair so it could have been her. Although when I saw her in &#8217;84 she was living in Savernake Road, near Parliament Hill.</p>
<p>And here she is: <a href="https://www.astro.com/people/greene_e.htm" rel="nofollow">https://www.astro.com/people/greene_e.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: swami anand anubodh</title>
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		<dc:creator>swami anand anubodh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 21:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SD,
I had forgotten that in the late 70s, when the meditation centre was in Belmont St., I was drinking one evening after meditation with sannyasins in that pub on the corner. And they were talking about a good astrologer, so I went to see her. She was American with dark hair, and had a flat in Mayfair, near Hyde Park Corner.

Might that be Liz Greene?

P.S:
I will be looking at the BL vids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD,<br />
I had forgotten that in the late 70s, when the meditation centre was in Belmont St., I was drinking one evening after meditation with sannyasins in that pub on the corner. And they were talking about a good astrologer, so I went to see her. She was American with dark hair, and had a flat in Mayfair, near Hyde Park Corner.</p>
<p>Might that be Liz Greene?</p>
<p>P.S:<br />
I will be looking at the BL vids.</p>
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		<title>By: satchit</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7992#comment-88496</link>
		<dc:creator>satchit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 14:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lokesh, you mixed it.
Shantam called himself Osho-disciple - not me.

He is much interested in Sannyas History. Something like: Why and when did Sheela&#039;s father adopt Osho?*

People are crazy, so let them be.

*Seems there was a Plan B that Sheela’ s father should adopt Osho so that Osho could stay in the US. Better ask Shantam for details.






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lokesh, you mixed it.<br />
Shantam called himself Osho-disciple &#8211; not me.</p>
<p>He is much interested in Sannyas History. Something like: Why and when did Sheela&#8217;s father adopt Osho?*</p>
<p>People are crazy, so let them be.</p>
<p>*Seems there was a Plan B that Sheela’ s father should adopt Osho so that Osho could stay in the US. Better ask Shantam for details.</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7992#comment-88495</link>
		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Sannyasins writing biographical books about their journey with Osho&#039; can be an interesting article. One can cover much ground in one article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Sannyasins writing biographical books about their journey with Osho&#8217; can be an interesting article. One can cover much ground in one article.</p>
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		<title>By: swami anand anubodh</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7992#comment-88494</link>
		<dc:creator>swami anand anubodh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 10:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shantam Prem,

When do you expect to be rubbing up against J.K.Rowling?

In addition to SD&#039;s recommended title edit, the use of &quot;Unbiased&quot; on a topic about self-deception, and &quot;History&quot; could be a reference to yourself. So perhaps: &quot;of Neo-Sannyas&quot;, hold on...I think the Resort has the copyright on &quot;Neo-Sannyas&quot;, best play safe and just call your book &quot;of&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shantam Prem,</p>
<p>When do you expect to be rubbing up against J.K.Rowling?</p>
<p>In addition to SD&#8217;s recommended title edit, the use of &#8220;Unbiased&#8221; on a topic about self-deception, and &#8220;History&#8221; could be a reference to yourself. So perhaps: &#8220;of Neo-Sannyas&#8221;, hold on&#8230;I think the Resort has the copyright on &#8220;Neo-Sannyas&#8221;, best play safe and just call your book &#8220;of&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7992#comment-88493</link>
		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 09:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yogi, Super! 
‘My Way: The Way Of The White Girls’.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yogi, Super!<br />
‘My Way: The Way Of The White Girls’.</p>
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		<title>By: anand yogi</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7992#comment-88492</link>
		<dc:creator>anand yogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 09:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Utterly correct, bhai!

This book must be written, otherwise future generations are in danger of living and dying without ever having benefited from  the wisdom of  some of the greatest mixed metaphors ever mixed in the cement-mixers of mighty Bhorat!

No less a personage than Swami Bhorat himself has blessed this project and he has even suggested the full title:
&#039;The Rise And Fall of Neo-Sannyas And The Remarkably Synchronous Synchronicity Of The Rise And Fall Of Shantam`s Most Vital Organ (Not His Brain)&#039;.

I have consulted with some of the finest astrologers and, looking into your birth chart, they are all in total agreement that one thing is clear: that this wonderful tome will be a spiritual classic of the calibre of:
&#039;Autostimulation Of A Yogi&#039;
&quot;Been Here Now&#039;
&#039;I Was That&#039;
&#039;Meetings With Remarkable Baboons&#039;
&#039;Dreams, Memories And Ejaculations&#039;
&#039;Turn On, Tune In, Drop Your Chuddies&#039;
and 
&#039;My Way: The Way Of The White Girls&#039;

 Yahoo!
Hari Om!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Utterly correct, bhai!</p>
<p>This book must be written, otherwise future generations are in danger of living and dying without ever having benefited from  the wisdom of  some of the greatest mixed metaphors ever mixed in the cement-mixers of mighty Bhorat!</p>
<p>No less a personage than Swami Bhorat himself has blessed this project and he has even suggested the full title:<br />
&#8216;The Rise And Fall of Neo-Sannyas And The Remarkably Synchronous Synchronicity Of The Rise And Fall Of Shantam`s Most Vital Organ (Not His Brain)&#8217;.</p>
<p>I have consulted with some of the finest astrologers and, looking into your birth chart, they are all in total agreement that one thing is clear: that this wonderful tome will be a spiritual classic of the calibre of:<br />
&#8216;Autostimulation Of A Yogi&#8217;<br />
&#8220;Been Here Now&#8217;<br />
&#8216;I Was That&#8217;<br />
&#8216;Meetings With Remarkable Baboons&#8217;<br />
&#8216;Dreams, Memories And Ejaculations&#8217;<br />
&#8216;Turn On, Tune In, Drop Your Chuddies&#8217;<br />
and<br />
&#8216;My Way: The Way Of The White Girls&#8217;</p>
<p> Yahoo!<br />
Hari Om!</p>
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		<title>By: Lokesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lokesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 09:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see Satchit is still retaining his hold on The Champion Chump of SN title, but going by Shantam&#039;s above post, only just by a hair. 

Satchit, perhaps if you wrote an article about what being a disciple of Osho means to you, then you could cement your position. As in wearing a concrete overcoat and thrown into a deep canal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Satchit is still retaining his hold on The Champion Chump of SN title, but going by Shantam&#8217;s above post, only just by a hair. </p>
<p>Satchit, perhaps if you wrote an article about what being a disciple of Osho means to you, then you could cement your position. As in wearing a concrete overcoat and thrown into a deep canal.</p>
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		<title>By: satchit</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/7992#comment-88488</link>
		<dc:creator>satchit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2019 19:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shantam, you are the only Osho-disciple of the guys you mentioned.

Maybe Veet can help you if he calls himself a disciple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shantam, you are the only Osho-disciple of the guys you mentioned.</p>
<p>Maybe Veet can help you if he calls himself a disciple.</p>
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