Indian Sannyasin calls for Global Government

Kalyan Mitra Ageh Bharti spoke at a meeting held in Mumbai on February 11, 2018 calling for a One World Government

Kalyan Mitra Ageh Bharti
Beginning of rally
Ageh Bharti writes:
Before reporting about this most historic event in India,  that was organized by Swami Gyan Anadi at Kalyan, Mumbai, I would love to share two very wonderful occurrences related to this event.

First of all, Anadi had no intention or ideas to do what he then eventually set up, nor did he have enough funds for this event. But out of love for Osho he decided that even if he had to apply for a loan, he would do whatever I asked for this great cause, including the rally I wanted to bring out. What is surprising is that he spent a total of 78,000 rupees and during a collection among friends (most of them non-sannyasins) he received 78,000 rupees, so his expenditure became nil. Although he had to work hard to organise those days, his joy was boundless.

The other wonderful man is Swami Anand Vibhor from Jabalpur. I had reached Mumbai on February 10, 2018 in the morning and when he rang me up at night and informed me he would arrive only on the 11th in the afternoon, I told him it would be too late to come but he insisted. As the train was delayed, he arrived when we were bringing out the rally, which he immediately joined even if just for the last hour. Vibhor received garlands for his spirit and passion to have travelled 18 hours just for one hour of the program. I salute him.

In the first half of the proceedings in the morning, two meditations were facilitated by Ma Manjula, Ghatkopar, Mumbai and one of Osho’s discourses was played for 50 minutes. Total participation was 175 friends.

Then after lunch, I introduced the audience to our project for One Global Government:

What Osho had been alerting us about for fifty years, scientists are now saying the same. Peace and happiness for humanity is a far-away dream when it comes to existing governments and even appears an impossible state to achieve.

Today, in the face of various threats for a global suicide, it is of an utmost need to have One Global Government established as soon as possible. Today none of the vital problems humanity faces is the problem of one nation only; all our problems are now universal.

We are facing far-reaching climate changes which will have an effect on global agriculture, and the stock-piling of nuclear weapons by several nations has made life uncertain. It all raises also the big question, are we really civilized? We are obviously not yet capable to love each other and our life on Earth.

Nasa and many scientists are warning again and again that we are heading towards a global suicide. Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking says that man’s life on earth might last only for another one hundred years. And within six hundred years, Earth might turn into a ball of fire.

In the face of the many challenging threats, it is the sacred responsibility of all nations to join hands and declare the need and establishment for One Global Government without further delay. We are already late. We should remember that if humanity gets destroyed, it shall be a great loss not only to us but to Existence as well.

If we can’t protect this beautiful planet and the life of humans, creatures and nature, how can we forgive ourselves? Let us let go of our prejudices, our claims of superiority in power, prestige, culture, religion, etc. Let us claim our superiority in loving the entire humanity. The earth is one except on the maps. We are one. Our needs, our pleasures and pains are one. Technology has made the whole world as one village. The earth, the sun, the wind all are one.

As I said, Osho alerted humanity about these dangers decades ago but due attention was not paid to him because of the prejudices, and unwillingness to change, of the so-called religions and nations. Now listen to the scientists of the world. They are saying the same Osho said much earlier and the research and findings are accepted globally.

It surprises me to see that there is no intelligentsia in the country to raise their voice as to how humanity can overcome the threatening calamities. So-called shankaracharyas and mahamandaleshwars and other religious leaders are busy involving themselves in senseless things. One stupid monk says Karna, a character in the Mahabharata was contradictory and another makes the argument that he was not! How does this matter to any human being alive today?

Another saint says that giving donations to sadhus and gurus is the only sacred thing! Wonderful! Politicians are spending their time and intelligence in pulling each other’s legs. I see that only Osho’s people can raise their voice today for the good of whole human race.

When we establish One Global Government, atom bombs will be diffused, the world will not need to spend 70 to 75% of the national budgets on defence. With the released wealth, we can tackle many universal problems at once and Earth can be turned into a paradise with a new era of love and brotherhood starting.

I have already launched a campaign in India demanding One Global Government, having coined the slogans:

“We want love, not wars.”

“We want hugs, not bombs!”

“Osho’s message for all, boundaries of nations must be dissolved.”

“We have but one call, One Global Government to look after all.”


After the speech, we brought out the rally onto roads and crossings of importance, shouting the aforesaid slogans while carrying a big banner, on which was written:

We demand ONE GLOBAL GOVERNMENT, Osho People, India

Chief Guest Ms Asha Ram Chandran (aka Ma Anand Versha), Deputy Director, Ministry of Defence, New Delhi, expressed herself warmly and thanked me very much for this initiative and promised to be an active participant in the campaign for such a sacred cause.

Poet and popular writer Aash Karan Atal said, “Science has turned the world into a village. Now having so many nations and going on fighting is simply stupid. This event inspired by Kalyan Mitra Ageh Bharti and organised by Swami Gyan Anadi is laudable. I am sure that soon the voice will reach the heads of nations and they will realize and turn to be one Government to protect life on earth and with this a new era of love begins on the planet.”

Filmmaker R K Khanna (aka Swami Prem Rakesh), director of the movie Mere Naina Sawan Bhadon (Once upon a time in Delhi) who is presently making a film on Osho, expressed his happiness and deep involvement with the campaign. He also said, “Only Kalyan Mitra Ageh Bharti can take such a great initiative in the face of various threats to the entire life on this planet.”

Swami Om Shanti from Jaipur has been running ‘Om Shanti Osho Library’ for years. He wanted the latest issue of the quarterly magazine Osho: Shunya ke paar (published out of Neemuch, M.P.) to be launched during the event and so it happened. He also had one of the best voices shouting the slogans – none of us could manage his pitch!

Finally Anadi, the lone organizer, became emotional while thanking all the participants and guests and speakers.

After the event, India TV, a local Mumbai Hindi channel, interviewed Ageh Bharti for about 30 minutes and the footage was broadcast region-wide in full on February 14 and 15 – for our Hindi speaking readers:

Kalyan Mitra Ageh Bharti was also invited by the ‘Society for Brotherhood and Peace’, Jabalpur, to speak in the evening of the ‘Global Peace Conference’ on February 25, 2018 in the Auditorium of the Home Science Girls Degree College. The function’s Chief Guest, Chairman and special guests were all senior advocates of the High Court, Jabalpur, as well as several reputed senior professors.

Ageh Bharti spoke to the audience along the same lines as during the talk in Mumbai. He further said that the whole atmosphere was pregnant to give birth to a New Man as suggested by Osho, the most prolific sage of this age.

“If we behave intelligently a New Man with no adjectives of caste, religion and no national boundaries can be born and the whole earth can be taken care of by One Global Government. If people don’t want to change, global suicide is certain. It’s the people’s choice.”

He firmly stated that it is his hope that people will realize the urgency and respond accordingly.

His talk was appreciated by all. In addition to the chair persons, also some students came forward to thank Kalyan Mitra Ageh Bharti, who was also awarded with a memento and a certificate of appreciation.


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86 Responses to Indian Sannyasin calls for Global Government

  1. swamishanti says:

    There’s been a lot of that Illuminati crap around, with paranoid conspiracy theories , ‘The new world order’, and their desire to create one World Government.

    It looks like an excuse for anti-Semitic conspiracy theories to me.

    One sannyasin is even posting all of Osho’s talks online and adding ‘antimatrix’ illuminati bollox at the end of the quotes.

    I’ve met and spent time with loads of Israelis on the road, and many of them have spent time in Poona, or know someone who has, and they don’t believe C.Calder’s/Krishna Christ’s portrayal of Osho as some sort of Nazi sympathiser, for one minute. Which Calder/KC did by taking bits of his quotes out of context.

    • Parmartha says:

      My memory is that Osho did talk several times about the value of a passportless world, and on that I would agree with him!

      • swamishanti says:

        I think John Lennon deserves a place on this thread:

        • Parmartha says:

          Most important words of this Lennon song:
          “And no religion too.”

          • shantam prem says:

            When we the humans remember or quote any departed person in present form it is Religion. It is Religion!

            Shantam, DO YOU MEAN BY quote any departed person in present form AS IF THEY’RE STILL SOMEHOW PRESENT?

            • shantam prem says:

              Oh dear one,
              This esoteric perennial belief must be discussed sometime as an independent string.

              Only Osho sannyasins have this ability and courage to take such question head ‘n’ heart on.

              • satyadeva says:

                “Only Osho sannyasins have this ability and courage to take such question head ‘n’ heart on.”

                Shantam, clearly over-excited and unable to contain himself, rejects looking closely at the issue he himself has raised, preferring to make a foolishly grandiose, thoroughly spurious claim.

                Quel surpris.

          • Kusum says:

            “Religion is the opium of the people.” (Karl Marx).

      • madhu dagmar frantzen says:

        One can only presume, Parmartha, that your agreement has never been tested by having been a target for robbery of legal papers, private data and whatsoever else might be needed to rob for a mafia. The very last decades have seen heavy dealing with such values, which is well known, btw.

        As I have been encountering it. Several times since the turn of the century.

        Wake up to reality, I´d say.

        And include with what you have remembered here and are quoting, that it is quite something else (!) to be closely surrounded by an efficiently working legal team and advocates in your interests when speaking of a beautiful dream (like Osho was) – in contrast to a situation where you are left totally alone (as a woman, in my case) to cope alone with such barbarous crap and having to face – besides other traumatic stuff – how former, also sannyasin, friends are into criminal actions as well as other buddhies.

        Joking performance as a heavy ‘no-joke’, sometimes performed as a kind of ‘encounter’ rubbish entertainment of distorted people in a gang with an inhuman, cynical (and criminal) vibe of these nowadays ´market-places´ of ´entertainments´.

        The latter – from which we are and have been never, ever sooo much ´different´ as we would like to imagine it.

        If you have experienced such in your own life and first-hand, and been left alone with it, we can speak again.




        @ MOD:
        Parmartha, 11 March, 2018, at 1:29 pm

        • Parmartha says:

          Cannot understand this post.
          If you are objecting to a passportless world, I don’t mean a world where there are no ID papers, you would have a ‘passport’. but of a world government.

          • madhu dagmar frantzen says:

            “Cannot understand this post.”

            I already suspected you would answer (if at all) that way, Parmartha.

            Maybe you better understand Lokesh´s contribution re the matter of global citizenship; he is playing cool (as mostly, and can afford that – fortunately) as a joker on the Balearic Island?

            Or maybe you better understand Kusum’s very small reminder that it’s so nice to sometimes differentiate levels of human consciousness and take something ‘ÍN´ instead of ´OUT´?

            Whereas I tried to share some of my everyday experiences here (as a woman) of how IDs and the therewith linked ‘vitas’ of living and sometimes already dead humans are products meanwhile being – if you are unfortunately targeted – traded on big trade markets of not only data but also the Lives of individuals.

            For quite a time it’s already happening ; and if you are working and helping refugees, as you said, you may have come across it?

            As only one of the numerous playing fields of survival for the latter, who are not that fortunate to play it ‘cool’ (as those do, who are dealing with IDs, papers, and are dealing with both of them, to suck the blood, one can say, of those who are robbed and as well the blood of those who are paying for their simple survival to an ever more prosperous mafia gang).

            You know what the Christian missionary type of woman together with the Buddhist female practitioner here said, when I desperately shared about being harassed here for years by German neo-fascist gangs or amongst other mentally distorted youngsters, by Turkish youngsters (all totally strangers to me!) who were spitting out, when they saw me walking?

            Those women both agreed, according to their filter bubbles of ´understanding´, that what they themselves didn´t and don´t experience, that simply doesn´t exist!

            (And I´m not even speaking now of the IT Digital Native ones here, who know meanwhile how to intrude, perpetrate and IT-hack anything they want to have their greedy hands on).

            “I don´t understand” is that kind of mental marshmallow stuff to chew out, when in reality one says: “Fuck off, get isolated in a gulag for a proper brainwash and leave me in MY peace, which I am ‘mantrasizing’ myself so successfully into.” So you are not alone in that, not at all.

            A human I loved, a Swiss Psychoanalyst (Arno Gruen) called that: The Politics of Indifference.

            It’s working ´well´, you bet!

            • sw. veet (francesco) says:

              Madhu, do not get angry, maybe Parmartha is just a Trotskyist.

              Perhaps he’s right and what today is a problem for people who don’t live on a island, one day it will become a resource, in the long, long run.

            • swamishanti says:

              In the cities closest to me there are certain streets with long lines of Turkish barbers, as well as a lot of Turkish kebab shops and Turkish mini food shops with a very large selection of foods, including exotic-looking, tantalising jars of honey with the honeycomb visible in the jar, and different selections of breads.

              Walk a bit further up the road and you come to Polish mini supermarkets in which you can buy a very wide selection of foods, and then you will come across a large muslim population, mainly Pakinstani, with a mosque and several very useful shops where you can find every type of food from the Indian subcontinent and just about everything else you could think about buying if you needed it.

              Also you will find Palestinian charity shops and a large number of African immigrants as well as British blacks.

              So there is a real cosmopolitan feel to it, and I do appreciate that.

              The small towns and villages in the countryside are very different and often rather backwards, a black person is still uncommon to find, and the Chinese and Bangladeshi immigrants re just the ones running the takeaways.

              • Parmartha says:

                I like the post, Shanti.
                In UK cities, if that is where you are writing from, I have also had this feeling.
                Very, very sadly, one extremist minority is intent on destroying this on our streets and tubes, like at Parsons Green tube a few months ago.

                • swamishanti says:

                  “I like the post, Shanti.
                  In UK cities, if that is where you are writing from, I have also had this feeling.
                  Very, very sadly, one extremist minority is intent on destroying this on our streets and tubes, like at Parsons Green tube a few months ago.”

                  Actually, I am living in a rural area, not so far from a small town. I was talking about the cosmopolitan feel I get when I visit nearby cities (which is quite often).

                  Whenever there is a mosque in a UK city, and that always attracts a local muslim population who like to live around it, there is always a small minority, like you say, who are attracted to fanatical extremism and terrorism.

                  I remember after 9/11, seeing “Big up Bin Laden”, scrawled in graffiti on a wall.

                  But the vast majority of UK muslims are not attracted to these extremist views and appreciate British values and living in the UK.

                  The US-led invasion of Iraq, which Blair foolishly supported, gave the extremists an excuse to make everything worse and inflamed the situation and basically led to the formation of IS.

                  But you can be sure that for every Al-qaeda and IS cell in the Uk, there are many MI5 & undercover agents tasked with infiltration and surveillance.

                  I recently heard the story from an ex-agent on tv who said that he had posed undercover as a tramp for weeks outside a mosque, following someone suspected of planning an attack. He had literally pissed on his trousers to make himself smell and sat on a cardboard box to make himself look the part, and even the local police thought he was a tramp.

                  But he sat watching and counting how many men & women were entering the mosque and coming back out every day, and one day he noticed that one less man had come out than had gone in, and one extra woman had come out, dressed in a bhurka.

                  That’s when he realised that the man he was watching was becoming more careful and he called in the officers, who performed the raid and arrested the suspect. The suspect had organised an operation to cause heavy casualties in a busy public area and this was thwarted.

                  GCHQ are tight. I’ve heard they can get into any Iphone and use it to spy on you, if it has a webcam camera, without you knowing, if they suspect someone of terrorism.

                • swamishanti says:

                  “You live in the city, you mind your own business.
                  What you see you don`t see – But some people always see they never mind their own business.
                  You move to the country, you live in the hills…then you check it in your spying glass…
                  they want to know all your business….”


  2. sw. veet (francesco) says:

    International, global organizations already exist: there is the UN, with its Security Council (and its army), there is the World Bank, the WHO, etc.

    The problem is policies and how to finance them.

    For example, if the vision of Keynes had prevailed over the White one at Bretton Woods, the World Bank would have had a collaborative function rather than a speculative one.

    The neo-liberal vision that today dominates globally is inspired by the paradigm that the Market/Competition has an emancipating function. This is a dogma, laissez-faire always rewards the best élite, and it is right that they are at the top (look at our leaders..).

    The national States are already reduced to the bone and almost indebted to private banks, they can no longer take care of the people, even admitting that the lobbies, which have placed leaders in those positions, allow it to do so.

    Instead, what we should do is exactly the opposite, every nation people must face the problem of regaining their sovereignty, making the country the last barrier against the invasion of financial capital and the industrial military system in its defence.

    Giving more power to the current elites by subtracting it from national states would be to encourage ongoing suicide.

    Those brothers, sannyasins and Osho friends, should ask Indian patriots, about whether writing a list of dreams would be enough to free themselves from the English yoke.

    I suppose that the bad boy of the day, the Korean one (after the Syrian, the Iranian, the Libyan or the Iraqi) is popular propaganda, not only in Italian media.

    • Levina says:

      Good article, Veet. One wonders how much longer this shadow side of ego on a global scale can last…

      It is such a clear mirror now to see what happens if we think we are separated from the One. When we think our fellow human beings are just things we can lie to in order to manipulate to believe that our “wars” are to protect us against “the terrorist”, when in fact we are the terrorist ourselves, and using the so-called “other terrorists” to do our dirty work in order to keep financing the weapons industry that (up till now) keeps the virtual, financial world going, but surely in due time must collapse since it is based on debt and the money-making press.

      The mud is coming to the surface now, and most people don’t believe it, ’cause it is too horrendous, and thus call it “conspiracy theories”.

      The trade in children and women to satisfy the pervert lust of the paedophile and the psychopath, and most of these predators are in the governments and law courts and secret services, whereby they protect each other by blackmail, so the false flags and wars can continue.

      The challenge for me is to know that that is going on on a global scale, and in myself, as long as I think I am separate, and at the same time not to judge it, which I find difficult. The good news is the flipside of this, that all over the world creative people are doing it themselves off the grid! Communities, little towns, individuals, much creativity is happening now, it’s wonderful to see.

      And I think the individual is going to make the change, through a small community, which will in a natural way grow into villages, towns, countries, as Veet suggested. A global government is a product of an inflated ego, I think, and totally unmanageable. Small is beautiful!

      • sw. veet (francesco) says:

        Thanks, Levina.

        I’m also wondering about the nature of that “ego”, whether or not it coincides with an elite, as many sources suggest, and if the nature of its power is endogenous and hereditary, due to the position of financial (or other) domain, or exogenous and fluid, due to the mechanism that animates the capitalist system, the Profit.

        Perhaps a mix of the two things.

        • satyadeva says:

          Isn’t the source of the problem(s) western intellectual materialism, that’s conquered the world with its science and technology, but whose selfish, greedy, exploitative, competitive mentality has produced, on a world scale, not well-being and a ‘good life’ for the many, but poverty, hardship and ongoing conflict, inevitable outcomes of a mentality based on spiritual ignorance?

          Despite seeing this and possible ways to make things better, eg in local initiatives noted here by Levina, and/or in large-scale, essentially revolutionary change, I find it hard not to think that it’s all a bit late, that quite probably ‘time’s up’, as it were, whatever we manage to do.

        • Levina says:

          Yes, Veet, I think ego/karma in any of us is already in potential when we are born, inside us, and then we get born into a family/world which reflects that.

          So really we cannot blame anybody, but I notice by myself when I read and hear about the goings-on of the so-called elite on top of the pyramid I get very sad and angry, and a feeling of powerlessness, when in reality it’s just a story that reflects my own emotions, especially when it is about children.

          Still, it is my emotion and a good advice for myself would be to stop reading those particular kinds of stories!

        • sw. veet (francesco) says:

          In addition to complicating things, there is the Internet, the virtual reality that is more and more likely to replace the one of those who, like me, was born with black-and-white television, with only one channel.

          The risk, not only for the new generations, is that everything flattens out to a stimulus-response matter, and believing that it is in our power to choose or avoid certain stimuli, while as for the indexing mechanisms there are algorithms that organise those ‘options’, and therefore a will (commercial or otherwise) that wants to inform us through those algorithms.

          The dimensions of existence reduced to an audio-visual stimulus makes for losing the necessary perspective for a conscious and balanced growth, the illusory sense of power to ‘control the planet’ through a connection to the network does not help.

          To understand the anthropological difference between digital natives and others can help a quarrel I had with a dear and younger (by 20 yrs.) friend and colleague of mine; we also travelled together in India:

          Few years ago, almost at the end of the season, sharing the apartment with him and other staff of the same team of seasonal workers (3-4 even younger boys, age around 20 yrs.) I decided, after having democratically suffered that marginalisation of the minority (as native valvular), to exercise the right of ownership of my television that was used by them exclusively to play the playstation.

          I decided it regardless of the fact that in their minds was the final stage of the World Cup soccer…He got angry, badly, to snatch the remote in my hand to throw it against the TV, even threatening me…

          With increasingly fewer public institutions, with parents increasingly running to pay bills, at the mercy of private interests, the individual tends to close in on him/herself, watching more and more the view on a screen: pc, ipad etc. Someone called this closure process in a private, post-modern morass “atomization”, where the message, more and more subliminal, confused between one stimulus and another, is: “born – consume – die.”

          This is why, imho, the sociality present in the communities is important, and such is that of Pune, not only symbolically, because special for each of us, I’m sure about this; this does not mean that things can not get worse with a different management.

          With respect to eco-sustainable communities, I agree with their spirit if Resilience is not an escape from the Resistance, the commitment that 7 billion people must put against the war that a minority of people seems to have declared on us.

          Crazed atoms…

      • satyadeva says:

        ” …in fact we are the terrorist ourselves, and using the so-called “other terrorists” to do our dirty work in order to keep financing the weapons industry that (up till now) keeps the virtual, financial world going, but surely in due time must collapse since it is based on debt and the money-making press.”

        Ok, Levina, we know this is a dreadful world, full of man’s inhumanity to man, greed, injustice, hypocrisy, ‘official’ lies and corruption, spiritual ignorance and so on. But it doesn’t help to deliver half-truths and falsehoods as adequate analyses, in order to create a satisfyingly coherent picture that suits a certain standpoint. That’s behaving like the people and ‘structures’ that you want to replace (as so often occurs in revolutionary-type thought and action).

        “in fact we are the terrorist ourselves”
        A false generalisation. We, including governments, are also a whole lot of other, positive things, despite our/their shortcomings.

        “so-called “other terrorists” “? Like who? Surely you’re not referring to those (usually Islamist extremists) who would like to create chronic hatred and dread among the populations of their perceived enemies (us) and who are just about being contained by the security services?

        “…the weapons industry that (up till now) keeps the virtual, financial world going….”

        Does it, on its own? Seems a convenient exaggeration to me. As does this:

        “The trade in children and women to satisfy the pervert lust of the paedophile and the psychopath, and most of these predators are in the governments and law courts and secret services, whereby they protect each other by blackmail, so the false flags and wars can continue.”

        Where’s your evidence that “most” paedophiles and psychopaths “are in governments and law courts and secret services whereby they protect each other by blackmail”?

        • Levina says:

          Satyadeva, I could send you lots of links, but I don’t know if Parmartha would allow.

          But first, maybe you could read my answer to Veet? And I have to confess all the things I wrote and to which you reacted I don’t know for sure, but I tend to believe that more than what I hear through the regular news channels.

          Lots of ex-bankers, ex-secret service men, ex-military men have been coming forward to tell what’s really going on in those areas, despite the danger that they might be killed! There are extensive interviews with the ex-banker Ronald Bernard (Dutch) on youtube you might want to see.

          But to be honest, I wished I never wrote about it. There is a certain fascination with those stories, but I get too emotional about them, so enough is enough!

  3. shantam prem says:

    Even to read such stuff is a crime against human intelligence. This idea of global government is born from the same fanatic brain structure as the idea of Sharia Law.

    People are adamant to prove the ideas of their religious barristers are the most needed ones.

    With this kind of adamancy, soul of the ideas get crushed and monkey mindset creeps in.

  4. shantam prem says:

    Osho lived and died in the company of thousands of people coming from vast number of countries from faraway Japan and Taiwan to Brazil and Chile.

    He created one world without boundaries. This was one pilot project, one of its kind prototype. I don´t think this gentleman ever appreciated the work of his master. He has only the memories of Acharya and cramped words. He has never, ever shown any remorse to see His master´s garden being empty from the global visitors.

    Let us presume, Prototype existed and expanded as Osho has the natural wish, think about the effect of that on the world at large in this age of trillion times faster routes for words and photos.

    Let us presume, in this little prototype, bloody chairman gets changed every year and the guy or lady says, “Thank you, friends, for unburdening me from the responsibility and power, now I can again meditate and chill.”

    When I write such things few duffers think I am propagating my agenda!

  5. Kavita says:

    “When I write such things, few duffers think I am propagating my agenda!”

    Thus spoke one of the most super-intelligent beings of the cosmos!

    • shantam prem says:

      Thanks, Kavita, for “nice” compliment.

      May I request you to leave your flat once in a while and have a walk on the back lanes of the ashram. You will be happy to see banyan trees on empty roads. These trees are few of the most intelligent Buddha beings in whole Koregaon Park, Pune.

  6. Kavita says:

    What’s new about that? They still have the same beauty, in fact more, not less!

  7. Kavita says:

    Shantam, I was wondering after reading the main thread, if Shantam can be so confident about his dream why can’t Swami Kalyan Mitra Ageh Bharti be?

    He has more reason to be, since he lived in close proximity with the then Acharyaji, later Osho, whom you listened to from afar!

  8. Lokesh says:

    I don’t have any friends who are politicians. Basically, because most politicians are stupid people. Most politicians don’t even remotely resemble the people I hang out with.

    Shantam rattles on about Osho’s vision and a prototype model for future living. Osho’s communes were not prototypes, they were social experiments that ran their courses and were an end unto themselves. There was success and there were failures.

    In essence, Osho’s communes were hive-orientated, with a king bee as a fulcrum. It’s rare to find king bees like Osho, and even they have their fuck-ups. As for being a model for some utopian society – forget it.

    Besides, Osho himself declared that his commune was a dictatorship not a democracy. Who wants to vote for a dictator? As for democracy, the Americans said they would bring democracy to Iraq, probably the worst thing that ever happened to the Iraqis, because the Iraqis need a dictator to run their country or else look what happens.They start killing each other.

    Libya was the best run country in Africa, run by a dictator. The good guys got rid of the bad guy and now Libya is a basket case. Just talked to a friend who returned from Tripoli. He told me that if you have a good car and drive into the wrong area of the city you will get shot in the head by the car’s new owner.

    A world government? You’d have to be an idiot to imagine such a thing is possible.

    For some years there was a real tribal vibe going on all over the place. I understand it, but when some people visited me after not having seen me for some years they said, “It’s good to have you back in the tribe.” I immediately set them straight by telling them I am not a tribal person, but rather the crazy guy who lives in his teepee down the river around the bend with his squaw and I don’t want to be part of anyone’s fucking tribe.

    Shantam declares, “Osho created one world without boundaries.” Nice headline but it does not mean much and it simply isn’t true. Osho’s communes had plenty of boundaries. I never had a problem with that to any great extent until the guards on the Ranch began to carry automatic weapons and I thought to myself, fuck that.

    Shantam would make a good politician. He has many of the right qualities, if you catch my drift.

    • shantam prem says:

      Lokesh, my brother, if I have good Karma in my fixed deposit surely I would like to be born as top-of-the-range politician who renounces social life once the term ends and retreats to monastery.

      It means rebirth in Christian Values with inbuilt influence from India.

      • satyadeva says:

        Forget any future birth, you’ve revealed what you’d ideally prefer to be right now, Shantam! Although you’re already doing the first part, of course (except you’re not exactly “top-of-the-range”!).

        Btw, never mind any vague waffle about “rebirth in Christian values with inbuilt influence from India” (which I doubt you’re clear about anyway). What possible benefit do you imagine there might be for you (or anyone) in living in a monastery? Some sort of ‘easy life’, perhaps?

    • satchit says:

      Lokesh declares:
      “It’s rare to find king bees like Osho, and even they have their fuck-ups.”

      Looks you need some teaching in biology, Loco.
      King bees don’t exist in Nature, only queen bees. And certainly Osho was a queen bee because of his female vibes.

      No wonder when the queen bee is gone, the leftover drones feel desperate.

    • kusum says:

      Whatever Osho (Bhagwan) spoke was about inner world, not outer world. What He spoke & what most understood are from two different levels.

    • sw. veet (francesco) says:

      It’s not that simple, Lokesh.

      The dictators are not so independent from the democracy exporters, you just have to follow the money of Gaddafi and other dictator oilmen, even if the money does not stink.

      If white were white, there would be no need of CIA to make black darker, and explaining how those who financed Hitler then want to build the state of Israel.

  9. shantam prem says:

    Sometimes there is method in the madness, many times methodical people end up as idiots.

    It is so obvious when one sees the world level around, smugs who hate politics and politicians work as office clerks following their dictates.

    In reality life too they play politics by living a life of silent onlookers when injustice and crime takes place in their surroundings. Those who never take stand over vital issues are lowest kind of political beings.

    Those who talk about commune but accept Resort because where else they will go when need arises are political minds too.

    SD, do your friends and family members know that you write on this site? If not, look your face in the mirror and see political mind behind.

  10. shantam prem says:

    I have read time and again and have chewed and digested words of Osho where master asserts his intention to speak over politics that politicians are not somewhere else but within each of us. He speaks over the political mind in us.

    I think if we take such inputs seriously, view to see the life within and our surroundings can not be as smug as most of the Osho readers and great seekers have opinion about themselves.

    Here at this website too, so much pity and sarcasm is for Shantam by those learned ones who think they are on higher pedestal because they spit on the politics and people engaged in this.

    Politics simply means art and science of policy making which benefits and brings order in otherwise chaotic world.

    • satyadeva says:

      I think you underestimate people here, Shantam. I would say that everyone who criticises you is fully aware that politics means “the activities associated with the governance of a country or area, especially the debate between parties having power.” (google dictionary). The key word being ‘power’.

      You can’t accept that you’re unable to return to ‘the good old days’, which have long been only the ‘comfort zone’ of the past in your memory, and it’s this obsession with one, let’s face it, virtually hopeless ‘political’ issue, to the exclusion of almost everything else (together with the errors, casual thinking and even sheer stupidity that often permeate your posts) that draws such opposition and ridicule, even if it’s tempered by realising that you’re also a good-hearted human being in an unenviable – although materially, relatively quite fortunate – personal situation.

      Politics is also “activities aimed at improving someone’s status or increasing power within an organisation.” (google dictionary again).

      You’ve at times confirmed such a personal motivation, Shantam, at other times denying this is the case. Perhaps you might see what the truth is by taking an honest look inside.

      Although I’m not sure that the chronic frustration that you constantly nurture allows you to be capable of that. If not, it’s actually undermining, if not serving to destroy, your capacity for spiritual life – which is defeating the original object of the Sannyas exercise, isn’t it?

      • sw. veet (francesco) says:

        Satyadeva, I do not want to embarrass you by asking your opinion on the way Jayesh or Amrito handle the power, maybe they are your friends and you prefer to possibly advise them privately instead of publicly criticising them (assuming you are not their nickname).

        But if you write that ‘power is politics’ key’ and that Shantam pursues “hopeless political issue” then the implications can be many and conflicting each other.

        If you write that politics is the debate between two or more factions on how to govern (an area, a country…a Resort) using power (for the collective good, for personal advantage or a few ones, or, in the most serious pathological cases, for the power in itself) why do you exclude that one day that power will be in hands different from the current ones?

        If that power does not pass into different hands for legal reasons, however, the age reasons remain, so the debate is not useless and not even hopeless, obviously if that place is not indifferent to you, which I doubt, by the way you passionately debate with Shantam, with your lashing political oratory.

        • satyadeva says:

          No question of embarrassment at all, Veet, as first, I don’t know Amrito or Jayesh (and wouldn’t even recognise the latter gentleman), and second, I really don’t give a damn about what happens to the Pune ashram. So “lashing political oratory” is a considerably wide of the mark description of my recent post.

          And yes, I do realise that one day – although probably later rather than sooner – the place will inevitably come under new management (although how different remains to be seen).

          So why then do I criticise Shantam? Any ideas?

          • sw. veet (francesco) says:

            Do you mean, Satyadeva, no further idea besides the one that you, unlike Shantam, do not give a damn about what happens to the Pune ashram?

      • Lokesh says:

        Good and accurate post, SD, although I oftentimes wonder why you bother.

        Do you think in Shantam’s impossible future projections of how his resort would look that white people would be allowed in?

        • shantam prem says:

          Lokesh and SD, you are alter ego of each other; one is like USA, second like UK. Psychologically too, they personify same, same collective mind. This I have observed many times, today is the time to write it.

          I am saying less as sarcasm, more in a friendly way, to understand the existence of factory- installed collective mind so obvious in both of them.

          • satyadeva says:

            Omg, Shantam tries ‘psychology’ – oh no, he sees right through us…let’s get outa here, we’re doomed!

            • shantam prem says:

              You are not doomed, goodness is never doomed.

              You both are good disciples and seekers but it does not mean I want to give up my Indian pass for a British one or, God willing, when Scotland gets independence!

              • Lokesh says:

                To be honest, Shantam, most years I visit Scotland for a week or ten days, which is about how long it takes for me to long for sunny Spain.

                Since the movie, ‘Braveheart’, which I’m not a great fan of, it became cool to be Scottish. I occasionally play at being a crazy Scotsman, but it’s only a role I play, an easy one at that. Truth be told I have been a foreigner for my entire adult life..

          • Lokesh says:

            Shantam, I am Scottish. I don’t see myself as coming from the Ununited Kingdom.

        • satyadeva says:

          Oh, yes, no problem at all – as long as the applicants are female, of, say, 25-45 years, and would be willing to accept Shantam’s ‘droit de seigneur’ prerogative….

      • satchit says:

        SD, I think you underestimate Shantam.

        He does not want ‘the good old days’ back.
        He longs for the the queen bee feeling.

        • shantam prem says:

          Satchit, you are run out with this comment. If someone has understood Osho, that person will never be a queen bee but a team building player.

          Osho Commune International “welcomes all sannyasins”, will be the tag line under my captaincy and every player will have the equal right of voting.

          This is the message I as disciple got when his master´s last statements were read out over his body presented for funeral.

          • satchit says:

            You misunderstood the line, Shantam.
            I did not mean that you want to become a queen bee. So there was no need to defend.

            Since when do you think things go wrong?
            Since master’s death? Or already before?
            Or from the beginning?

            When was the time everything was fine?

            • shantam prem says:

              Things were always lively and chaotic but that was like amusement park, people were pouring in from faraway corners.

              Once Jayesh felt to change concept to resort and expelled Neelam and other prominent Indians who were not in favour of drastic change, soul from the place started dying. Neo-Sannyas has become rootless tree, not due to Sheela but Jayesh.

              • satchit says:

                So Jayesh was the bad boy. Had he reasons to change it into resort? Money reasons?

                Real Sannyas cannot become a rootless tree because it is not attached to a location. Christianity is also not attached to Jerusalem.

                Maybe it was time for a change. I know guys who did fly every year to Pune and now they live here at a financial minimum.

                Attachment cannot be good.

            • Kavita says:

              First of all, sorry, Shantam, for responding to a question addressed to you but I frankly think & feel I could also respond to this matter.

              I don’t think & feel that it really matters until one is personally affected that one turns against the administrative regime; giving such excuses such as Sheela/Neelam/Jayesh/any other name is not facing the truth.

              Having a heart connection with the commune is a totally different thing.

  11. Parmartha says:

    I think this thread has strayed quite a lot.

    It is a simple thing…
    In Poona One, Medina, Rajneeshpuram and the Hamburg commune of which I had ‘direct’ experience, our communities were very international. And it was great to meet all types of cultures and people with different experiences of the nation state, etc. It was a real good mix. No one thought of themselves as Arabs or Jews, or Irish or English, or even Indian or Pakistani.

    Nationality was unimportant and to some extent unnoticed.

    So given that was a great plus to our ‘community’, then a wider world embracing such parameters could only be good. Our communities had, of course, fault lines, but that certainly was not one of them.

    I remember in Hamburg when in love with a German ma a sense of ‘overcoming’ the past, and the nation state. Members of my own family had been involved in bombing raids over Hamburg not long before I was born, I felt this friendship and love between an English man and a German woman somehow triumphed over the past enmity between these inventions of the political mind called the Nation State, in that then neat German town.

    • sw. veet (francesco) says:

      I do not know, Parmartha, if we also agree on the causes that have caused the thread to stray.

      To interpret that a world without passports alludes to a better world with one government could be a forcing, and to think that if this happened in the current conditions it would be a progress, a double forcing.

      This is a subject much debated today in the Marxist context, and in a frontier country like Italy in particular, where continue to land (or drown) from the Libyan coast multitudes of desperate people with a dream of well-being.

      For some (Trotskyists), these migrations favour the revolution because they sharpen the contradictions of the capitalist system, while for others they break the proletarian front (war betwen the poor) and make the right-wing parties win with the nationalistic and xenophobic arguments, when we’re lucky.

      The neo-liberal paradigm, that dreams of a global single market where consumers’ tastes are standardised with what the market offers, with the free circulation of goods and financial capital, wants the free movement of people too.

      It is no coincidence that billionaire Soros finances NGO ships operating in the Mediterranean Sea and landing on the Italian coast with their load of desperation.

      There is no doubt that a community made up of different cultures is a source of artistic, social and spiritual inspiration, but only if is taking into account the material conditions of hospitality, which must be regulated precisely if we want to preserve those differences as wealth and not as suspicious, when those presences are perceived as invasive because of the scarce space and material resources (but the list of invasion could be very long).

      Intellectuals, when honest and not working for those who want war among the poor, in competition for the lowest salary, have the tendency to forget (snob) the practical aspects of welcoming, favouring the ‘poetic; ones, as well represented in this movie:

      • satyadeva says:

        Good post, Veet, highlighting harsh realities. Idealism is all very well, but not unless it’s tempered by practicality.

        • sw. veet (francesco) says:

          Thank you, Satyadeva, I do not have much merit apart from a ‘privileged’ point of view.

          I lived for a few years the war among the poor, for the lowest salary, with the indecision whether it was better to depress myself (even die) preserving the values ​​of welcoming and brotherhood towards the most unfortunate immigrant competitors. But before understanding what was happening, and why, I accepted the condition of my unemployment as inevitable (as to be exposed to self-destructive or depressive mood), recognizing the right to work of people most in need of work, rather than me, and for this reason more motivated too.

          Implicitly I have excluded the possibility that I could defend my work by accepting working conditions always worse, cursing “Negroes, Albanians, Rumanians or Muslims.”

          So I began to study about it, discovering how financial capital discharges all the costs of globalisation on the real economies of nation states and keeps all profits for itself.
          From this, deepening, I saw how in this process of destruction of welfare (privatisation) which has made Europe an example of civilization, the protagonists were not the parties that were openly neo-liberal, but those of the left, which I voted for because I was biting the propaganda that opposed the bad boy of the day (Berlusconi), ignoring that the opposing parties and media were in the hands of a more politically correct but not less voracious entrepreneur, C. De Benedetti (btw a jew).

          That the people are waking up, and not only in Europe, can be measured by the collapse of consensus of left parties, which fortunately, at least in Italy, does not translate itself into racist consensus of the extreme right.

          The intellectuals in these years were the elegant bishops of this device that tended to separate economic-material aspect from the social-spiritual one in people’s lives, through politically correct discourses.

          These false flags (covered with shit) of left-politicians with their supporters with one hand have filled us with civil rights (gay marriages, gay adoptions, transgender laws, go-go vaccinations etc.) with the other one they have taken away social rights.

          Therefore the theme of the re-conquest of sovereignty and of the political struggle of Patriots, for me coincides with your “life-affirming beliefs and values”.

          ‘Meditation means the capacity to be absolutely alone, and Love means the capacity to be absolutely together. Love means rejoicing relatedness; Meditation means rejoicing solitude, aloneness. Both do the same work, because on both the paths the ego disappears.’ (Osho)

    • satyadeva says:

      A life-affirming personal account, Parmartha, of how things can be, albeit within groups of higher than average intelligence, united by life-affirming beliefs and values, a common cause, as it were.

      Could this happen in wider, more disparate communities, within villages, towns, cities, nations, continents, the whole world?

      Theoretically, especially on a small scale, perhaps, yes – given enough time…Anyone got a few hundred years or so to spare?!

    • swamishanti says:

      In Poona Two too, there was really a feeling of nations and nationalities dissolving, and Osho often talked in discourses of inner and outer boundaries dissolving, countries just being lines drawn on a map, etc.

  12. shantam prem says:

    “Kalyan Mitra” means Compassionate/Sympathetic Friend, I wonder from whom Swami ji got this degree.

    On the theme of this string, why does not beloved Swami try to bring peace between Pune Camp and Delhi Camp? I mean if two bloody Cults from the same master can’t drop their differences how come we expect Putin and Trump and May hug each other and sing Hallelujah?

    If the Swami with his ten followers carry the banner of Oneness in Sannyas world maybe some positive comes out.

    Wonder of Sannyas is there are so many sannyas certificates as various currencies in the world.

    Why Swamiji does nothing for oneness about his late master’s work?

  13. simond says:

    I’ve rarely read such a hopelessly simplistic fantasy article as the one published here. Most humans can barely govern themselves or their own relationships without bickering and emotion. So the idea that any world government can help save the planet is just ridiculous.

    All forms of government are failing, and a few “hugs” and expressions about “one global government to look after us all” is simply nonsense.

    Even amongst the few sannyasins here who post their reflections there’s rarely much agreement, and this is a publishing where people are allegedly all followers of a common ideal. What hope then for a wider agreement to promote world government?

    • swami anand anubodh says:

      NO, simond, this article is not nonsense!

      Trump, Putin and Xi Jinping are bound to step aside. They will have no choice once they realise one of their challengers has a voice with the best pitch for shouting slogans!

  14. Lokesh says:

    I took one look at the guy and decided not to read the article.

    • shantam prem says:

      Lokesh, no good decision.
      Swami ji has been nurtured by the freshly minted enlightenment energy of Osho, you must read the article humbly; who knows, like one, two others, you too see some glimpse of the master.

      • Lokesh says:

        Sorry, Shantam, I looked at the photo again and came to the same conclusion. I am simply not interested. A glimpse of the master? I have no need of that. You can keep it.

        What difference have those glimpses made to you, Shantam? You will continue on your way, stuck with your ridiculous agenda in regards change of regime at the resort. Just like a stuck record. If you had any real glimpse of Osho you would have realised long ago that you were stuck and moved on to a more fruitful and satisfying activity.

        Why pursue such an impossible dream? Yes, a fantasy, that you project all your nonsense into. Round and round you go, on and on you go. So please give me a break from all your glimpses of the master bullshit.

        • shantam prem says:

          Lokesh, if this gentleman looks at your photo, most probably he will have the same impression for you.

          You both lack sense of humour and logical thinking, a sign of basic education, lack of university degree.

          This deficiency is being covered through reading Indian philosophical stuff.

          • Lokesh says:

            Shantam, I have a Phd.

            I also told you recently that it is a long time since I read anything Indian.

            You just repeat a lot of tired crap, hoping that by doing that you will make it true.

            You are the first in my entire life to accuse me of lacking a sense of humour. Just don’t ask me to take your ‘save the resort from the evil-doers’ seriously. That would be impossible for me.

            • shantam prem says:

              Read my post again of 13 March, 2018 at 9:21 pm in reply to your post of 13 March, 2018 at 7:41 pm. Then think a bit whether i have written as an irony or serious suggestion.

              To read behind the words needs much emotional intelligence, and by the way, it is lacking in the western upbringing.

              Osho tried to fill this deficiency and again it was mutated by the western mind around him.

              • satyadeva says:

                “To read behind the words needs much emotional intelligence…”

                As I’ve noted before, Shantam, the problem with these attempts at irony is that there’s very often little discernible difference in content and tone from the majority of the rest of your posts.

                And it’s not “emotional intelligence” that’s “lacking”, the point is that flawed arguments and general foolishness being more or less the norm in your case, one would have to be a literary detective-cum-remote-mind-reader to ascertain just where you’re coming from in almost any given instance.

                That’s why I’ve suggested at least twice that you write something at the beginning like WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS IRONY! to help readers get it.

                Btw, Shantam, if I were you I’d be a lot more careful when you make claims about “emotional intelligence”, as you don’t appear to have grasped that having allowed yourself to become obsessed by resentment, anger, frustration and blame for your situation, not to mention implicit and explicit racism (even in this last post of yours), you’re hardly a shining example of that precious quality, are you?!

            • madhu dagmar frantzen says:

              What is “Phd”, if you don´t mind enlightening me on that matter?

  15. shantam prem says:

    If editor wishes, an article, ‘Why Osho Commune is Important’, I can deal with all the points in historical, psychological, cultural as well as spiritual context.

    As far as Lokesh and SD are concerned, I don´t blame them for not understanding the meaningfulness of Master Osho´s creation. They came, they got, they left when they felt to do so, it is all right, totally legitimate. They paid the price, got the product, did not cheat or betray.

    Still, it is the grace of Osho and his commune that I can see through their blocks and where they are stuck. I will prefer to be me rather than taking even a single page from their books.

    They remind me, rolling stone gather all the moss!

    rolling stone gather all the moss – DO YOU MEAN THAT AS THAT’S NOT THE SAYING? IT’S a rolling stone gathers no moss.

  16. kusum says:

    At least some activity gives one some goal or purpose in life. Otherwise big void & big question mark & waiting to die.

    • madhu dagmar frantzen says:

      Wow, Kusum, taking a ´joker´-role, you can play the cynic too…you could play a double with Lokesh, couldn´t you?We have our own SN/UK website Netflix stance here, don´t we?

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