If the question is boring, then I will not answer, because I’ m here for entertainment.

For someone “Osho” evokes Pune.

For someone else, who does not cry and laugh but just sneers, an opportunity to analyse the other’s ‘naivety about “Osho”; in particular the presumption of someone to hide what is under, “escaping loneliness, enjoying pleasant leisure activities, making a few nice friends and maybe a lot more acquaintances, watching some videos, maybe an extremely occasional ‘Mystic Rose’, not forgetting the crucial, hopefully exciting dating-cum-marriage bureau element”.

Someone who must know well “what is an ashram actually for” even though he is too smart to tell you.

Yes, I guess what would make people sneer, finding fun ridiculing the tears of such a gullible one, witnessing a bright past. Because they trust that the heirs, without memory, of the future, will eventually find it normal to link “Osho” to money/trade-marking, and not believe they’re being at all gullible.

But right now I’m not a fuckin’ Britisher able to sneer at the picture of a master pointing at the moon while you show your watchfulness stealing his ring. A master who shows you your inner richness, the only one that can make you free from material compensation and you end up being enslaved by your bank account?

“Quite a paradox for a movement dedicated to total freedom”, to see their ‘accountants’ behind bars. Just in case, will anybody be sneering also at that and not just at SP?

Since here (SN) the axiological and existential background is not very clear, since we can proceed only dialectically, it would be right to consider the other option mentioned above, and to ask not only what is under the gullibility of sannyasins like SP but also what is behind the cynicism of many others, perhaps the majority of the posters here.

Not wanting to do or not be able to do it would imply disgusting things, as Tan would say.

Ciao,

VF

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VF, PLEASE CHECK WE’VE GOT THIS RIGHT:
Because they trust that the heirs, without memory, of the future, will eventually find it normal to link “Osho” to money/trade-marking, and not believe they’re being at all gullible.

Not good enough, I’m afraid, especially for someone who thinks he knows how Sannyas ‘should’ be run.

Btw, if you insist on thinking I always make wrong “psychological assumptions on the basis of words”, and have “no idea in which context words are spoken” (in effect claiming ‘you just don’t know me or what I’m going through’?) then I suggest you express yourself more clearly here, with less emotional reactivity.

After all, believing implicitly in and slavishly following your emotions is what’s created much, if not all, of your current plight, isn’t it? Rather stupid, although it’s a common enough negative factor in people’s lives, including mine.

Isn’t it time you learned a thing or two about balancing your psyche? A regular spot of meditation, perhaps? That’s surely the least you can do if you’re really a ‘seeker’ and not just someone looking for an ‘entertainingly’ stimulating but basically easy external life situation, let alone someone who thinks he can help lead the ‘resurrection’ of ‘true’ Sannyas!

And then a few hours later, by coincidence, I came across this really interesting article about mazes and and routes to self-knowledge:
https://aeon.co/essays/how-walking-a-labyrinth-can-trace-a-route-to-self-knowledge

Just a general reminder that in this week in the UK, Nov 5th (when effigies of Guy Fawkes are burnt as a reminder of his attempt to blow up the House of Commons) is the major reminder that Catholics and Protestants killed each other with ready abandon 400 years ago. No different than Shia and Sunni today in another religion….

I have never seen a man so well profound in making psychological assumptions on the basis of words, and moreover has no idea in which context words are spoken.

Please come out from your secure position of being a psychologist frog living in a well-protected well. For experiment sake, put your life some time in a physical, financial or emotional challenge and then come out from it with some bruises and wounds. It will mature you and also will turn the childishness into childlike innocence.

Yet, though perhaps understandable, I find there’s something suspect about your apparent dependence upon ‘restoring’ a past situation, this imagination (obsessive in direct proportion to your desperation) that impels you to believe (naively, I think) that all will be wonderful again (belonging, purpose, meaning – sex, love, ‘power’, perhaps?) if only that ‘glorious past’ were resurrected, so that you can again be part of a large crowd of fellow-travellers, whether they be there for a “pilgrimage” or to be members of a “club”.

That term “club” to me indicates that you have a very loose, casual idea of what an ashram is essentially about, on a similar level to your recent revealing comment likening meditation to masturbation.

Escaping loneliness, enjoying pleasant leisure activities, making a few nice friends and maybe a lot more acquaintances, watching a few videos, perhaps an extremely occasional ‘Mystic Rose’, not forgetting the crucial, hopefully exciting dating-cum-marriage bureau element – is that what you’re getting at?

And if you regard yourself as a ‘pilgrim’ rather than or as well as a mere ‘social club member’, what exactly does such a “pilgrimage” constitute for you? For you, what is an ashram actually for? Anything like Arpana’s recent brief notes on the meditative life? Please, no vague, long-winded waffle about ‘immanent mysteries’ etc., be specific, nail it down.