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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2016 11:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Tech is simply electronic drugs.&quot;

In a way this might be true, Frank, as long as in addition to the claimed increase in overall well-being, in psycho-physical health, we factor in that its purveyors make it clear that facing up to &#039;resistance&#039; in the form of emotional blocks and negative patterns are par for the course, ie it&#039;s not simply a &#039;set and forget&#039; easy ride, one has to pay the price by being responsible. 

For example, John Dupuy, the interviewer in the video, used similar methods starting about 10 years ago to overcome a lifetime of depression that had at times made him near-suicidal, and he has made a point of emphasising the &#039;work&#039; he had to do along the way (alone, I think, not including normal therapy) as a result of what was brought up by an immersion in tech methods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tech is simply electronic drugs.&#8221;</p>
<p>In a way this might be true, Frank, as long as in addition to the claimed increase in overall well-being, in psycho-physical health, we factor in that its purveyors make it clear that facing up to &#8216;resistance&#8217; in the form of emotional blocks and negative patterns are par for the course, ie it&#8217;s not simply a &#8216;set and forget&#8217; easy ride, one has to pay the price by being responsible. </p>
<p>For example, John Dupuy, the interviewer in the video, used similar methods starting about 10 years ago to overcome a lifetime of depression that had at times made him near-suicidal, and he has made a point of emphasising the &#8216;work&#8217; he had to do along the way (alone, I think, not including normal therapy) as a result of what was brought up by an immersion in tech methods.</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6400#comment-77824</link>
		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Went to art school as a &#039;mature&#039; student, since I took Sannyas; and the place was really overcrowded, which caused problems.

Didn’t drink and do drugs anymore, and hadn’t for years, and was under a lot of stress to do with family I had no control over. Was working my ass off really intensely in a general sense and to deal with the family problems,  and at painting; and I got my buttons pressed on a daily basis, at mach 25, by my fellow students, who I generally referred to as the brats, to their faces and under my breath, which for some reason made them act a bit sulky.

Was agony, and I recall on one memorable occasion, as I was huddled in a corner, trying to pull myself together, feeling like a raw wound; thinking to myself, &quot;sometimes I get the horrible feeling the only difference between me and the kids is that I know I&#039;m being a twat occasionally, and they never realise they are, but they are all absolutely certain I am&quot;,  because despite being art students they were mostly incredibly conservative and disapproved of absolutely everything!!! 

Apart from whatever any one of them and their immediate cronies were into. (Still late teens and early twenties most of them. Not long away from mum and dad. Lot of them doing copious amounts of drink and drugs).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Went to art school as a &#8216;mature&#8217; student, since I took Sannyas; and the place was really overcrowded, which caused problems.</p>
<p>Didn’t drink and do drugs anymore, and hadn’t for years, and was under a lot of stress to do with family I had no control over. Was working my ass off really intensely in a general sense and to deal with the family problems,  and at painting; and I got my buttons pressed on a daily basis, at mach 25, by my fellow students, who I generally referred to as the brats, to their faces and under my breath, which for some reason made them act a bit sulky.</p>
<p>Was agony, and I recall on one memorable occasion, as I was huddled in a corner, trying to pull myself together, feeling like a raw wound; thinking to myself, &#8220;sometimes I get the horrible feeling the only difference between me and the kids is that I know I&#8217;m being a twat occasionally, and they never realise they are, but they are all absolutely certain I am&#8221;,  because despite being art students they were mostly incredibly conservative and disapproved of absolutely everything!!! </p>
<p>Apart from whatever any one of them and their immediate cronies were into. (Still late teens and early twenties most of them. Not long away from mum and dad. Lot of them doing copious amounts of drink and drugs).</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6400#comment-77823</link>
		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why not Resort people who meditate a lot in different coloured robes change their mantra for the evening meditation?

Raise the arms and say, &quot;I am Twat.&quot; 

Who knows, such honesty gets rewarded by the heavens and people start pouring back in India´s emptiest property?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not Resort people who meditate a lot in different coloured robes change their mantra for the evening meditation?</p>
<p>Raise the arms and say, &#8220;I am Twat.&#8221; </p>
<p>Who knows, such honesty gets rewarded by the heavens and people start pouring back in India´s emptiest property?</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6400#comment-77822</link>
		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eventually we have to forgive ourselves for being twats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eventually we have to forgive ourselves for being twats.</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/6400#comment-77821</link>
		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LMAO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meditation made me think I had transcended everything.
It was only years later that I realised what a twat I still was.
&quot;I am twat&quot;- the ultimate medicine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meditation made me think I had transcended everything.<br />
It was only years later that I realised what a twat I still was.<br />
&#8220;I am twat&#8221;- the ultimate medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a big thing to recognise we can develop ego because we meditate, because of spiritual practice. Not comfortable. A lot of people don&#039;t get there.

&quot;Somehow we know deep within our souls the direction we are to take, but very often that buffoon which we call the ego makes such a fuss that we cannot hear the inner voice.&quot;

Marie-Louise von Franz.

(I found this quotation in a tarot book about the Crowley tarot by Hajo Banzhaf, &#039;Against the Chariot&#039;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a big thing to recognise we can develop ego because we meditate, because of spiritual practice. Not comfortable. A lot of people don&#8217;t get there.</p>
<p>&#8220;Somehow we know deep within our souls the direction we are to take, but very often that buffoon which we call the ego makes such a fuss that we cannot hear the inner voice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Marie-Louise von Franz.</p>
<p>(I found this quotation in a tarot book about the Crowley tarot by Hajo Banzhaf, &#8216;Against the Chariot&#8217;).</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Getting identified with being &#039;spiritual&#039; tends to make you override all other parts in the theatre of soul. &#039;Spiritual&#039; always presents itself as the most important thing in life, which is exactly what the &#039;ego&#039; does, too.

That`s why talking to spiritual people is so often like getting cornered by a drunken egomaniac at a party who goes on about how interesting he is. You`ve just gotta get away.

The only other way is to employ the techniques of Dr Marten - not the scientist mentioned above, but the shoemaker. Give the spiritual maniac a compassionate hoof in the lower chakra, a salutary dose of 
soul/sole - and provide a bit of &#039;grounding&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting identified with being &#8216;spiritual&#8217; tends to make you override all other parts in the theatre of soul. &#8216;Spiritual&#8217; always presents itself as the most important thing in life, which is exactly what the &#8216;ego&#8217; does, too.</p>
<p>That`s why talking to spiritual people is so often like getting cornered by a drunken egomaniac at a party who goes on about how interesting he is. You`ve just gotta get away.</p>
<p>The only other way is to employ the techniques of Dr Marten &#8211; not the scientist mentioned above, but the shoemaker. Give the spiritual maniac a compassionate hoof in the lower chakra, a salutary dose of<br />
soul/sole &#8211; and provide a bit of &#8216;grounding&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2016 14:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frank said. 
&quot;By ego, I mean the part which is just one of the many actors in the dramatis personae of your soul, but who wants to hog the limelight to the exclusion of all others.&quot;

I see ego as all those ideas we have about ourselves that make us think we are special in an apart way, as villain, victim or hero; but I really like your remark. Rounds out my own perception most interestingly. Augments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank said.<br />
&#8220;By ego, I mean the part which is just one of the many actors in the dramatis personae of your soul, but who wants to hog the limelight to the exclusion of all others.&#8221;</p>
<p>I see ego as all those ideas we have about ourselves that make us think we are special in an apart way, as villain, victim or hero; but I really like your remark. Rounds out my own perception most interestingly. Augments.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2016 13:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bong,
I certainly go along with the idea that tech can speed up your spiritual experiences of &#039;meditation&#039; and &#039;transcendence&#039; by 8 times or more. It`s just that I no longer value these so-called &#039;spiritual&#039; experiences. They are simply inflations of the &#039;ego&#039;. They are trips.

By ego, I mean the part which is just one of the many actors in the dramatis personae of your soul, but who wants to hog the limelight to the exclusion of all others. An ultimately futile task.

This results, in my view of soullessness, characterised by fantastical spiritual fantasies and loss of basic humanness. You seem to be in this kind of state, Bong. You come across to me as a guy standing there in heavily 
soiled trousers discoursing loudly about the benefits of spiritual hygiene. You will have to excuse me as I have a little chuckle.

Tech is simply electronic drugs.
Call me when you come down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bong,<br />
I certainly go along with the idea that tech can speed up your spiritual experiences of &#8216;meditation&#8217; and &#8216;transcendence&#8217; by 8 times or more. It`s just that I no longer value these so-called &#8216;spiritual&#8217; experiences. They are simply inflations of the &#8216;ego&#8217;. They are trips.</p>
<p>By ego, I mean the part which is just one of the many actors in the dramatis personae of your soul, but who wants to hog the limelight to the exclusion of all others. An ultimately futile task.</p>
<p>This results, in my view of soullessness, characterised by fantastical spiritual fantasies and loss of basic humanness. You seem to be in this kind of state, Bong. You come across to me as a guy standing there in heavily<br />
soiled trousers discoursing loudly about the benefits of spiritual hygiene. You will have to excuse me as I have a little chuckle.</p>
<p>Tech is simply electronic drugs.<br />
Call me when you come down.</p>
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