One consolation:
They`re not the ones he has about the Japanese!
Although evidently, they both involve worthless ejaculations in front of a computer screen!

“Simple thing is, Parmartha, whether you or other British disciples living in England are living on the charity of the collective mind that once you despised very intensely.”

For your information:
At the ripe old age of 71 I continue to work and make a living. And that work has nothing to do with the sannyas disapora. Not sure what fantasies you have about the British.

“Is it Osho Foundation International or everywhere Osho pouring monthly money in your account?

Let us face it, Ma, Energy Suckers is an art of sitting silently doing nothing…

No need to deny, sannyasins in the real world are living on the collective charity or selling placebos.”

My mother, before passing away, obliged my brother to pay me a moderate small monthly life-pension out of the family property.

With the support of charity, I lived only once for less than a year, when I faced being homeless here in Munich for serveral years. In the Munich Sannyas scene or former Sannyas scene I was a ´pariah’ (social outcast) even before these very difficult times.

OIF as an instution I know nothing about and nobody from. Just some few of former members I knew more personally, long, long before that institution was founded. And most of them found their way into what we call ´the world´.

I joined the UK caravanserai chat for sharing about issues which are touching me, and I am not able to communicate elsewhere. Nobody asked me to do that and nobody is interested in this of my writing either.

I love to connect, also in that virtual chat, Shantam Prem, and nobody pays for it; that would be quite obscene in my eyes.

It was and is very difficult for me to connect with you, or respond to you in a healthy way. Mostly, reading you, I felt your rage, or let´s better say ´rage´.
Sometimes, I felt deep pain underneath.

But all this covered up from your side with so much written roundabout stuff that I simply couldn´t answer (respond to).

So, I am taking your contributions and the virtual waves that they are making, as a meditation, if you don´t mind.

Madhu

However, it’s very difficult to square this claim that your life is in fact ok, or more than just ok, with the continuous outpouring of anger, resentment, bitterness against what you term the “failure” of the Sannyas movement. (The word “failure” is completely wrong, by the way, it’s another instance of your lack of clarity, due to extreme emotional bias. But I’m not going into that now).

Either you believe you’re living well or you don’t. You can’t have it both ways. The truth, I suspect, is that sometimes you feel your life is pretty good, at other times (perhaps too often for comfort) you’re consumed by rage at your apparently rather mediocre situation, while, even at ‘ok’ times, there’s always at least an undercurrent of negativity churning around and working to undermine your well-being. Which you deal with by thinking and writing about how dreadful things are ‘out there’, thanks to ‘those bastards’.

If you were honest with yourself you’d surely have to admit this obsessive, self-righteous negativity certainly qualifies as ‘unhappiness’. And as such, nourishing it as you do, seemingly by the day, or by the hour or even by the minute, is essentially ruining your life. Even if you generate ‘consolation’ and ‘purpose’ by defining yourself as some sort of ‘freedom fighter’, a standard bearer for ‘Osho’s True Vision’.

Also, if you’d understood the basic principles of ‘spiritual life’ (as emphasised by Osho and every genuine teacher) you’d have to agree that, in the final analysis, you and you alone are responsible for your life, including how you perceive and respond to external conditions. Which unfortunately for you, leaves no space for indulging your miserable emotions by laying the blame on others or on ‘circumstances’,

No doubt you’re hoping against hope that the Courts will rule against ‘The Regime’ and that you’ll then be able to restore things to how they ‘should’ be, ie to suit you and others like you.

But, as a few here have taken pains to point out, it won’t and can’t be how it was, at best it’ll be a pale copy of the past, attractive mainly to a load of would-be promiscuous Indians, like yourself (and you’re not the young man you were, are you?!), who think prancing around in a throng of thousands at a few ‘festivals’, singing devotional songs and living a nice, perhaps rather high-status, privileged life in a commune is where it’s at. But, as well as the living Osho, of course, without the one ingredient that made it all worthwhile to you: hordes of attractive foreign women.

In that key sense, the ‘Sannyas’ you knew is over, matey. Question for you to ask yourself is, does Sannyas mean anything else – or have you fundamentally misunderstood what it’s all about?

I will add one thing in mitigation though. Sannyasins from Europe, the US, Canada and Australasia have at least come from societies that went through the psycho-socio-sexual revolutions of the 60s and 70s (and later). So they probably found it easier to go back ‘home’ and create or resume a life there than, say, Indians did in their countries.

As you, Shantam, and other Indians, didn’t have that sort of background of social upheaval and so relied upon Sannyas to provide a similar environment, albeit even more challenging in many ways than those of Europe etc. As such, you might feel, and perhaps are, a misfit, not belonging anywhere, except, in your memory, to the Pune of old, where, overwhelmed by the excitement of the ‘revolution’, you invested all your psycho-sexual hopes, dreams and desires.

If that’s an accurate picture then I can more easily understand where you’re coming from (in both senses). But as Parmartha has recently said, if you imagine ‘regime change’ will itself ensure a similarly fulfilling life (beyond the satisfaction of taking pure revenge) then you’re almost certainly in for a major disappointment. And if you think any enhanced status you might possibly enjoy is anything at all to do with Sannyas then you really are well and truly up the proverbial psycho-spiritual shit creek (seemingly without a paddle!).

Let us face it, Ma, Energy Suckers is an art of sitting silently doing nothing.
No need to deny, sannyasins in the real world are living on the collective charity or selling placebos.

Once it is accepted, humility will descend and the energy to look inwards, not just one’s own inwards but also the inside working of the cult which grew on the basis of channelling the anger against each and every institution.

I think Parmartha has given a nice compliment to Rajneesh, the man who was booed by the super- intelligent bloggers at sannyasnews! His creation is now speaking louder than any work of any other disciples.

Mr. Editor, you have not seen Pune 3 in its glory. Pune 3 was designed by Osho to continue expansion after his demise. The closest disciples screwed it to the level of gangbang.

In my observation, Rajneesh’s work is very similar to Pune 1. Master is alive and there are limited number of disciples for personal interactions.

Matter of the fact is, people who followed living Osho have become the lost tribe of Moses. Every single project promoted by Mr.Jain as self-proclaimed chief representative of Existence has failed and neither he nor his closest disciples have taken any responsibility for fiasco.

It is like borrow the money from innocent people and then change the name and claim, “It is not me who borrowed the money.” In the success story of Osho, which is failed now, lies the hopes and shattered lives of thousands of innocent people.

The Buddhist or Christian monks and nuns too will feel a heart pang when some asshole among them says, “The one you are searching is everywhere and not just in monasteries. Now you go out in the world, earn your living and feel God/Buddha/Osho whosoever.”

Simple thing is, Parmartha, whether you or other British disciples living in England are living on the charity of the collective mind that once you despised very intensely. The great dentist of the master of the masters too is back in the world created by other people to sell his placebos.

It is a common fact, lots of once sannyasins have gone for healing touch to others. It means life is fucked up and there is no chance to get cure from the sect they poured their energy into.

I write this pain without any bias or denial. If someone asks me about going somewhere, most probably I will also refer Meera, but not a single therapist nor any place connected with Osho.

Few months ago, my son asked me, “Papa, can I order some books from your Amazon account?” I was pleased to say yes and inquired what kind of books. It was a nice surprise when he showed the titles, books by Dalai Lama. With one click I ordered his choice of two books and felt thankful he was not asking for Osho’s books.

During His lifetime, books by master has seal of authenticity, post-demise his sect has proved, “Words are merely words.” Without the real functioning of the commune as master left, his words have lost the hollow. After all, creation speaks better than oratory.

But you have sometimes posted stuff both here and on facebook in which you self-declare a certain dissatisfaction with your own life, or disclose your way of life, and seem to compare it to Pune 2 or 3 as less nourishing. If I am wrong, forgive me.

Though I myself have not ‘been’ to Meera, I would say I have met those who have and seem to have benefited, and think that is worth saying.

Back of all this is your wish to recreate Pune 2 or 3. I just feel you would help yourself if you began to realise that is not possible, even if you repossessed the ashram. The closest in vibe and atmosphere to Pune 3 is probably in Mexico….

These lines, Shantam Prem, come up (like quite many others under your name) like from a mean and mischievous social bot, sucking the life energy of others (human beings) and their efforts to express, without ever having the intention to respond to the living.

Just like a machine of destruction – yet, I presume, a machine, given its start-off still by a human – by a quite heart-distorted human being.

If someone like you thinks a man who went to Osho in his primitive years and to no one afterwards will have a unfulfilled and unloved life, not only you are mistaken but also showing no fucking trust on the capabilities of the man you call master. One more reason not to go to anyone.

If Swamis are beggars they should drop the name from borrowed language. What is the name given by your parents, Parmartha?