The word chutzpah came to me.

And if by this approach she was ‘merely following his orders’ then he bears even greater responsibility.

Besides, appointing a not particularly bright Indian to deal with redneck America and beyond was asking for trouble.

No, Osho meant well, of course, but his lack of experience of the West meant that he was like a fish out of water, in practical socio-political terms, over there.

http://justpaste.it/Sheelaandthecommune

I remember one video of UG which a Dutch friend had shared in the early 90s, where UG said on the lines of that every person born should be provided food, clothing, shelter & education by the State; this makes so much sense.

Osho did make an effort, in his own way, which probably is beyond anyone’s capacity & ever known in Time.

The story around Osho’s milk is not widely known, and rarely referred to. It needs more repeating, as it offers an alternative explanation to the apparent poisoning of Osho by thallium.

If the story about Laxmi is true, then I would assume that Sheela wanted to get rid of her because she would have been an obvious choice for reinstatement to her old position, especially as unlike Sheela she did a very good job between 1971 and 81.

I myself was a commune member in Medina for some years, and Poonam always treated me fairly I would say. I would withhold judgements, for the same reason as Arpana.

There were many highly educated people on the Ranch with many skills between them, but whether they had ‘intelligence’ in its naked and courageous form? No.

Clearly, Islamic terrorists have very skilled operators, especially computer-wise, etc, and propaganda skills to rival Goebbels. They also have logistical military skills, etc. but intelligence is much rarer, and they don’t have a shred of it.

Prem Martyn,

More than guessing I´d say none (of Alice) is in it from the first English novel (1865) by Lutwidge Dodgson.

A little bit more, I guess, in the first world-famous English novel then, by Lewis Corroll (1871), especially when we look at the cv of the author a little bit deeper; which I did today.

A growing more of it may then be in the movie script of that ‘Dark Fantasy’ story written by Linda Woolverton, being realized then (2010) by Tim Burton (as the director and in W. Disney Productions). Kind of Gothic flavour then, it is said…

As times goes by we then meet the ´Alice in Wonderland Syndrome´.

It is triggered also when people are drugged, by acid or other chemical stuff (by free will or by no free will at all)
or when being in some torture situation (connected with psychological torture as well as the nowadays abundant possibilities of street stalking/street theatre work as terror (for the target) etc. etc.

Just to harm an individual you want to get rid of, actions of this kind at any possible mentioned level, with the goal that the harm may be irreversible. Sometimes also a very dysfunctional family or a very dysfunctional working-team or business situation will also ‘do the trick’.

What else I could research, to come now to the time of 2010-2015, is that the W. Disney Production brought it out (the Alice story) as a video game for gamer and gamer-teams, and it is said this particular game has been a fabulous business success since it came out.

Well then, we reach superficially contemporary business times of some ‘leela-adepts’, such gamers to whom – and there you are more than quite right, Prem Martyn – it would be high time to practise showing up with the ´stinky-finger´! (I know though, that in a situation of isolation, this more reactive style will not be enough and will also be counter-productive, but alas, it needs to be named).

You may be asking, friends here in the UK chat, why I am going so deep in that ´Alice’ matter?

It’s because many of us are living with daily doses on a playground flooded with information, let alone this tiny little chat dedicated to Sannyas here. So, to find out where is poison, sometimes deliberately offered, sometimes just happening by immaturity – sometimes with good wishes altogether – is indeed such a big challenge.

And how to meet you as friends, as fellow-travellers, is a need for me when posting, as I am not a ´machine’, a robot. And some of you have a place in my heart by now.

There are topics like these, where, as I feel it, real friends are needed. To cross some ´floods´ and build a bridge (also a mental bridge sometimes is needed), what else can we do here?

And when I sit here, writing, and sometimes wish you were here and we could have a tea together with nice healthy spices, I mean it, but very rarely put it out. But now.

Madhu