So you reckon the devil has no place in China. You had better ask big Hu what the heck he was doing using the term then. What is he, some agent of the Vatican?

Last time I went to Pune people thought I was a plant by Jayesh and Amrito. I said to them that obviously I am doing a worse job than I hoped for. Same goes for here.

The planet already has a good king. He lives in Thailand. The queen is also very benevolent. Unfortunately both are growing frail with old age.

Stalemate? I just started playing, am playing a number of hands here, and the deck is new. If JA & Gang can work out who I am exactly, they can have my hands for free, else they can buy them on E-Bay.

Heard the latest news from Osho commune? Some nice workers have been caught stealing more than the equivalent of 300000 rupee over some months from unsuspecting guests. OshoBob I am of the view that the figure is less than 1 billion.

AlokJohn, you better take into account losses on the trip due to theft when you work out your revised figures.

“Big Hu and his propaganda machine (which includes OshoBob) have managed to convince a fair portion of a one billion populace of Chinese nationals that the Dalai Lahma really is the devil. ”

You continuing lack of accuracy is showing again, Abhay.

To wit:

Though you put the Chinese population at “one billion,” it is actually 1,335,000,000, approximately.
That may seem like quibling to you, but the 335 million Chinese people you off-handedly left out of your numbers is greater than the entire population of the United States, which is the 3rd most populous nation in the world (308 million).

India comes in 2nd at 1,175,000,000, approx.

Not a small thing. I have seen one million people on Chinese National Day in Tiananmen Square in Beijing, and I will tell you, it is mind-boggling. Multiply that by 335, and you can see the enormity of your seemingly small error.

I hope you were a bit more accurate when you were doing your water research work at the Resort.

As to the Chinese people or its government thinking the Dalai Lama is the Devil, that’s a laugh. The Chinese do not, and have never, believed in God or the Devil in their long history. That is a Jewish/Christian/Muslim invention that has no place at all in China, or any in Asian religious thought, for that matter.

But, it is quite possible that the Dalai Lama is just an agent for the Chinese government, as Saddam Hussein was for the American government.

In fact, Osho may very well have used this same very effective technique — design, create, and control your own publicly viewed “enemy.” Then use your media to manipulate the public’s mind about them to your benefit.

It’s a much more successful strategy than to let your enemies arise by themselves, a situation over which you have no control.

All may want to look at the current swirling clashes of Osho’s people in this light. It is surely a fresh perspective, something much needed in this stagnant stalement that we see before us. You know, a benevolent and intelligent guide/king/master may be not that bad of an idea.

It is a fact that few percentage of people always complain.
Be it Clinton, Bush or Obama, few are habitual to complain and whining.
And also to find love and light within…? can someone imagine a day that every body has light and love within; thanks to PHILIPS!

Every organisation where more than one person is involved, a system of check and balance is required for healthy functioning, otherwise the will of stronger one swallow the weaker yet finer beings.

Human creativity has taken a positive turn since countries are being run as a collective responsibility. Even the most powerful man on the earth is also being controlled by the public opinion and the parameters set by the constitution.

The uniqueness of Osho´s contribution will flower thousands fold if ” His people”come in the picture again. and His people are not some illiterate persons from some banana republic who need a translator and interpreter to understand Osho, the words and deeds are so clearly foot printed.

With love and light within, i am not saying put Jayesh in prison and some Mahesh or Dhyanesh run the show.
Osho is vast enough, one or two persons interpretation at the root level is simply against evolution and therefore unitelligent(yet not stupid).

Let Osho´s people evolve a administrative system which is utterly meritorious and which can pass through the fire test of His discourses.

Big Hu and his propaganda machine (which includes OshoBob) have managed to convince a fair portion of a one billion populace of Chinese nationals that the Dalai Lahma really is the devil. Listening or reading or watching big D, I find it quiet remarkable that this be the case. Perhaps big D really is the Devil, but it is not that blatantly obvious.

Bodhi Heeren, it would appear that you are angry that I did not include you in the list of great tyrants. My humble apologies, and I shall ensure that you are not forgotten next time.

It appears Bodhi Heeren that you have not read my response to your previous outburst. Since you like my short sweet writings, here it is again for your perusal.

Bodhi Heeren you quote a few well know facts and then draw a conclusion about me. It does not follow from Nirvanno’s historically well documented issues anything about me, nor about what I have said in relation to Jayesh. It also does not follow that because Nirvanno has had ongoing serious emotional issues that she necessarily therefore took here own life. This error in thought process is one which you also seem to have taken here. Also let me inform you of a little more in the way of facts and analysis. The issue of Osho’s death was brought up in recent times by Harri Om, not me. Also, from the information that Harri Om brought to light, if there is any investigation into a senior Osho figure being implicated in anything suspicious, it is Amrito rather than Jayesh. I suggest here that you do a little research before you make wildly erroneous and misinformed accusations. Further, Harri Om made the logical point that Osho’s marked decline in health was from the time of his strangely incurable ear infection in Pune 2. He was at the time under the care of his close disciples and not the CIA. It follows therefore that there is reason to consider that if any intentional and malicious harm did come to Osho at the time, that it came from one (or more) of his close disciples.

Bodhi Heeren you quote a few passages from Osho sannyasins and then draw conclusions about me. This is the same warped mentality that Osho sannyasins have used to manipulate both Osho’s words and the Osho movement in general. Jayesh and Amrito and others use and abuse Osho quotes to further their own slant on Osho. Like you, they also draw conclusions that do not follow from this. The use of Osho in this way is an abuse, and reflects a lack of intelligence as well as ill intent. People argue that Jayesh and Amrito are trying to rid the Osho movement of the curse of personality and nostalgia, of the curse of religion rather than religiousness. These people have not delved into the conduct, writings and sayings of Jayesh, Amrito, and others. These people are full of a false and religiously inclined mentality. You might like to call it religious extremism or fundamentalism.

Bodhi Heeren my views of Jayesh are formed from the follow facts. It is a fact that for many years Osho sannyasins drank seriously contamintated ‘drinking’ water during monsoon periods. Knowing the type of serious and potentially life threatening contaminants that pass through the water supply in India, it follows that in all likelihood many many people have become ill, many have become very sick, and yes the potential is also there that some have died. Personally I would put the number at more than two. Also, Jayesh has been sufficiently involved with the resort to conclude that he cannot be said to be uninformed by the people at the coal face – so to speak. So yes Bodhi Heeren I clearly state here that Jayesh has some serious issues about his conduct. Of course he stands not alone.

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Jayesh and Amrito may run the resort in a way u don’t like. Fine, state ur view in a readable, balanced way, but don’t come with wild, pseudo-scientific ‘explanations’ about the a problem that seems to be solely ur own mind-creation and don’t make completely over the top accusations (even in other threads making Jayesh into a double muderer)!

And isn’t it all about u feeling hurt and offended and whatsoever because they didn’t take ur waternonsense serious and actually – very understandable – banned u from the resort?

After the Sheela debacle I remeber Osho clearly stating that the right way was not to swing into the oppsosite, to some completely unreflected anti-authoriterean attitude.

The world does not get better if Jayesh is ousted from Poona, it gets better when u find ur Love and Light within. Until then I feel whoever run the scene in Poona will be met with the same complaining, whinning mentality.

Also all this compairing Jayesh with the worst dictators and so on….as a sannyasin lving in the west, minding (or no-minding) my own business I have actually no dealings with the man. He doesn’t interfere in my life so what is the problem?

I am sure almost all of the children will ask, ” But where is the story? where is the punch line? what is the moral of the story.”

This kind of unity in diversity is India´s greatest contribution and Osho being the torch bearer of her soul has created this miracle!

Than enter the English and Canadian Mind…naturally they have enriched too, but at a very heavy cost… It is like Chinese goods manufacturers also playing the Tibetan monks.