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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 11:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Kavita. Here&#039;s the link:

http://outofthefog.net/CommonBehaviors/Entitlement.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kavita. Here&#8217;s the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://outofthefog.net/CommonBehaviors/Entitlement.html" rel="nofollow">http://outofthefog.net/CommonBehaviors/Entitlement.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kavita</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/4646#comment-66079</link>
		<dc:creator>Kavita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 08:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He means to say it doesn&#039;t seem you have written it !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He means to say it doesn&#8217;t seem you have written it !</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/4646#comment-66077</link>
		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 07:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t understand the question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t understand the question.</p>
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		<title>By: prem martyn</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/4646#comment-66072</link>
		<dc:creator>prem martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 01:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was his surname that made freethinking resistance useless...

From whence the phrase, regarding the obvious, &quot;Is the Pope Catholic?&quot;

( :-o) )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was his surname that made freethinking resistance useless&#8230;</p>
<p>From whence the phrase, regarding the obvious, &#8220;Is the Pope Catholic?&#8221;</p>
<p>( <img src='http://sannyasnews.org/now/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':-o' class='wp-smiley' /> ) )</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 00:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re this minor side-issue, no doubt all that was going on in Pope&#039;s time - btw, 1688-1744, not the 17th century - but surely  it was at nowhere near the level that &#039;alternative&#039; spiritual movements have enjoyed in later times, especially in the last 40 or 50 years? Our generation has arguably been fortunate in that respect, enjoying far greater opportunities to read, search, practise, travel, explore... 

But anyway, why condemn Pope - or indeed anyone, however intellectually or artistically gifted - for not being a &#039;spiritual seeker&#039;? It would seem he knew no better, or - like the overwhelmingly vast majority, including now - simply wasn&#039;t that bothered i.e. he  had other fish to fry, as it were. Seems to me that if it&#039;s not your time, it&#039;s not your time....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re this minor side-issue, no doubt all that was going on in Pope&#8217;s time &#8211; btw, 1688-1744, not the 17th century &#8211; but surely  it was at nowhere near the level that &#8216;alternative&#8217; spiritual movements have enjoyed in later times, especially in the last 40 or 50 years? Our generation has arguably been fortunate in that respect, enjoying far greater opportunities to read, search, practise, travel, explore&#8230; </p>
<p>But anyway, why condemn Pope &#8211; or indeed anyone, however intellectually or artistically gifted &#8211; for not being a &#8216;spiritual seeker&#8217;? It would seem he knew no better, or &#8211; like the overwhelmingly vast majority, including now &#8211; simply wasn&#8217;t that bothered i.e. he  had other fish to fry, as it were. Seems to me that if it&#8217;s not your time, it&#8217;s not your time&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: prem martyn</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/4646#comment-66069</link>
		<dc:creator>prem martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 23:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting - what&#039;s the meta-cognitive source material?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting &#8211; what&#8217;s the meta-cognitive source material?</p>
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		<title>By: prem martyn</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/4646#comment-66066</link>
		<dc:creator>prem martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.

and

The vulgar boil, the learned roast, an egg.

( both Alexander Pope quotes... )

And this my penned contribution from my quilled desk:

If one is forced by injunction&#039;s doubt to stoop and ask another&#039;s ploy, 
Enquire then with grace&#039;s favour,
As by their merit,
Accusations of intrigued complicity 
Will by the wayside fall 
When as failing to trip, 
They trip unto themselves,
Withal.

&#039;Twas but a jest to carouse by turn that most endearing of our humours,
To talk in rhyme and haiku&#039;s prose,
Replacing such that conflict may be uplifted and...reposed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Know then thyself, presume not God to scan; The proper study of mankind is man.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>The vulgar boil, the learned roast, an egg.</p>
<p>( both Alexander Pope quotes&#8230; )</p>
<p>And this my penned contribution from my quilled desk:</p>
<p>If one is forced by injunction&#8217;s doubt to stoop and ask another&#8217;s ploy,<br />
Enquire then with grace&#8217;s favour,<br />
As by their merit,<br />
Accusations of intrigued complicity<br />
Will by the wayside fall<br />
When as failing to trip,<br />
They trip unto themselves,<br />
Withal.</p>
<p>&#8216;Twas but a jest to carouse by turn that most endearing of our humours,<br />
To talk in rhyme and haiku&#8217;s prose,<br />
Replacing such that conflict may be uplifted and&#8230;reposed.</p>
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		<title>By: samarpan</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/4646#comment-66062</link>
		<dc:creator>samarpan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;PS: And of course Pope’s religious views appear ludicrous to us – but he didn’t have much else, if anything, to go on, did he?!&quot; -- Satyadeva

Hmmm... well, yes, Pope did have much to choose from in 17th century England, but Pope remained a mediocre Catholic. Voltaire wrote letters to Pope. Voltaire said of the Vedic literature: &quot;The Veda was the most precious gift for which the West had ever been indebted to the East.&quot; How is it that Pope managed to miss the Enlightenment? And apparently the Vedas?

Pope, being an educated man, could not have been ignorant of mystical religious options available to him that came out of the Renaissance, or mystical options from religious dissenters of the Protestant Reformation, or those alternatives that came from the Orient.

In England itself there were options like the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers). Osho put the ma&#039;s in charge in the commune. Quaker women in the England of Pope also had a major role, in being responsible for the spirituality of the larger community. Osho has spoken very favorably of the Quakers&#039; practice of sitting in silence. Pope? Not so much.

Besides all the above-mentioned options ignored by Pope, there were the native Celtic and pagan traditions. But Pope, not being a spiritual seeker, was apparently not impressed by those options. Pope was content to remain a Catholic. 

Pope could not have been ignorant of the Freethinkers movement, which was challenging biblical literalism, challenging church authority, challenging church dogma. That movement was contemporaneous with Pope, having started in 1600 with the execution in Italy of Giordano Bruno. Freethought was alive and well in England at the time of Pope. 

Osho had no problem with it, Osho relished modern freethought. But Pope instead busied himself writing &#039;moral&#039; essays and philosophical poems based on the assumption that man is fallen and needs salvation.

Pope DID live in a time when he had much to go on, but chose to ignore it. His buddy Voltaire had a clue; why not Pope? England was in a state of religious turmoil, yet Pope managed not to embrace any of the religious alternatives of his time. No, in my opinion, Pope was a coward and chose the safety and security of elitist Catholic religion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;PS: And of course Pope’s religious views appear ludicrous to us – but he didn’t have much else, if anything, to go on, did he?!&#8221; &#8212; Satyadeva</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230; well, yes, Pope did have much to choose from in 17th century England, but Pope remained a mediocre Catholic. Voltaire wrote letters to Pope. Voltaire said of the Vedic literature: &#8220;The Veda was the most precious gift for which the West had ever been indebted to the East.&#8221; How is it that Pope managed to miss the Enlightenment? And apparently the Vedas?</p>
<p>Pope, being an educated man, could not have been ignorant of mystical religious options available to him that came out of the Renaissance, or mystical options from religious dissenters of the Protestant Reformation, or those alternatives that came from the Orient.</p>
<p>In England itself there were options like the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers). Osho put the ma&#8217;s in charge in the commune. Quaker women in the England of Pope also had a major role, in being responsible for the spirituality of the larger community. Osho has spoken very favorably of the Quakers&#8217; practice of sitting in silence. Pope? Not so much.</p>
<p>Besides all the above-mentioned options ignored by Pope, there were the native Celtic and pagan traditions. But Pope, not being a spiritual seeker, was apparently not impressed by those options. Pope was content to remain a Catholic. </p>
<p>Pope could not have been ignorant of the Freethinkers movement, which was challenging biblical literalism, challenging church authority, challenging church dogma. That movement was contemporaneous with Pope, having started in 1600 with the execution in Italy of Giordano Bruno. Freethought was alive and well in England at the time of Pope. </p>
<p>Osho had no problem with it, Osho relished modern freethought. But Pope instead busied himself writing &#8216;moral&#8217; essays and philosophical poems based on the assumption that man is fallen and needs salvation.</p>
<p>Pope DID live in a time when he had much to go on, but chose to ignore it. His buddy Voltaire had a clue; why not Pope? England was in a state of religious turmoil, yet Pope managed not to embrace any of the religious alternatives of his time. No, in my opinion, Pope was a coward and chose the safety and security of elitist Catholic religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Parmartha</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/4646#comment-66059</link>
		<dc:creator>Parmartha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 18:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The literary turn of debate is welcome. Makes a change from the stone throwing of street fighters. 

One thing I would say is that rumour still prevails everywhere. Including in Sannyas. Remember you not the tales about the Resort being sold - much excited some at the time? But now, some years later, nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The literary turn of debate is welcome. Makes a change from the stone throwing of street fighters. </p>
<p>One thing I would say is that rumour still prevails everywhere. Including in Sannyas. Remember you not the tales about the Resort being sold &#8211; much excited some at the time? But now, some years later, nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/4646#comment-66053</link>
		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 13:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair enough, Samarpan, if one takes the Pope quote literally, of course things are radically different in today&#039;s media-dominated world, which is also a place where (as we see at SN every day) any fool can broadcast any half-baked rumour, opinion or personal obsession far and wide, at any time of day or night.

But I&#039;m not sure Martyn was using it specifically re Osho&#039;s output (no doubt he&#039;ll confirm or deny), but rather as a wry and probably cynical aside on how so-called &#039;news and views&#039; proliferate, not least at SN, pulling in the &#039;punters&#039; and persuading them to give their tuppence-worth. 

More seriously, this effect extends into the wider world, especially around events and topics carrying a high emotional charge, fanning prejudices and incipient violence, as seen so often these days (eg in the recent attacks on jews in western Europe, following the &#039;Charlie Hebdo&#039; outrages). 

Thus, through our wonder-ful technology, vast numbers of people can be almost instantly &#039;infected&#039; by what amounts to sheer poison. Which is no doubt playing its part in hastening our collective doom....


PS:
And of course Pope&#039;s religious views appear ludicrous to us - but he didn&#039;t have much else, if anything, to go on, did he?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, Samarpan, if one takes the Pope quote literally, of course things are radically different in today&#8217;s media-dominated world, which is also a place where (as we see at SN every day) any fool can broadcast any half-baked rumour, opinion or personal obsession far and wide, at any time of day or night.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not sure Martyn was using it specifically re Osho&#8217;s output (no doubt he&#8217;ll confirm or deny), but rather as a wry and probably cynical aside on how so-called &#8216;news and views&#8217; proliferate, not least at SN, pulling in the &#8216;punters&#8217; and persuading them to give their tuppence-worth. </p>
<p>More seriously, this effect extends into the wider world, especially around events and topics carrying a high emotional charge, fanning prejudices and incipient violence, as seen so often these days (eg in the recent attacks on jews in western Europe, following the &#8216;Charlie Hebdo&#8217; outrages). </p>
<p>Thus, through our wonder-ful technology, vast numbers of people can be almost instantly &#8216;infected&#8217; by what amounts to sheer poison. Which is no doubt playing its part in hastening our collective doom&#8230;.</p>
<p>PS:<br />
And of course Pope&#8217;s religious views appear ludicrous to us &#8211; but he didn&#8217;t have much else, if anything, to go on, did he?!</p>
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