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	<title>Comments on: Recent Interview from Veeresh,  Founder and Director the Osho Humaniversity, Holland</title>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...The love you make is equal to the love you take...&quot;

Parmartha, that kind of ´mathematical equation´ seems so convincing; especially when  we communicate in bits and bytes - but  quite often with very irrational outcomes (results), results we could have never even imagined (before) so far.

Also, I came to know it from the mouth of (western) people, declaring me ´my karma´...(forgetting theirs) when pontificating...

However - lucky us -  we came to know about the ´uncertainty  of relation(s)´ and even more so, lucky us, to meet a Master - and some of us, other Masters too - we have been gifted to meet.

Last week, before each contribution of some very young film-makers (story-tellers) about life-situations worldwide, one can say, there has been always the same pre´fix´to look at:
There was (black on white) the one sentence to look at:
&quot;EXPECT  THE  UNEXPECTABLE&quot;.

I loved that, yes, I loved that, took it as a reminder; watched my watching as to my best capacity - which is not very much developed, I have to confess. So often, I just forget that I am attending a ´movie´. SO - it is of great help for me that afterwards we can see, feel and experience the film makers themselves. (That´s what I love about the screenings).

We - here - don´t have that - at least most of us (at least me) I know don´t have that possibility. So - in a way, it feels sometimes more about &#039;GAME&#039;.

Please, don´t mistake me. I love your contributions, and as ´times´ go by, trust as a flavour I enjoy too.

Madhu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;The love you make is equal to the love you take&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Parmartha, that kind of ´mathematical equation´ seems so convincing; especially when  we communicate in bits and bytes &#8211; but  quite often with very irrational outcomes (results), results we could have never even imagined (before) so far.</p>
<p>Also, I came to know it from the mouth of (western) people, declaring me ´my karma´&#8230;(forgetting theirs) when pontificating&#8230;</p>
<p>However &#8211; lucky us &#8211;  we came to know about the ´uncertainty  of relation(s)´ and even more so, lucky us, to meet a Master &#8211; and some of us, other Masters too &#8211; we have been gifted to meet.</p>
<p>Last week, before each contribution of some very young film-makers (story-tellers) about life-situations worldwide, one can say, there has been always the same pre´fix´to look at:<br />
There was (black on white) the one sentence to look at:<br />
&#8220;EXPECT  THE  UNEXPECTABLE&#8221;.</p>
<p>I loved that, yes, I loved that, took it as a reminder; watched my watching as to my best capacity &#8211; which is not very much developed, I have to confess. So often, I just forget that I am attending a ´movie´. SO &#8211; it is of great help for me that afterwards we can see, feel and experience the film makers themselves. (That´s what I love about the screenings).</p>
<p>We &#8211; here &#8211; don´t have that &#8211; at least most of us (at least me) I know don´t have that possibility. So &#8211; in a way, it feels sometimes more about &#8216;GAME&#8217;.</p>
<p>Please, don´t mistake me. I love your contributions, and as ´times´ go by, trust as a flavour I enjoy too.</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
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		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really one of the most fitting contribution for this string. 
Thanks for sharing, Tarangita! 

I think I know you from facebook too. If you are the same, even more thanks, as many contributors have the tendency to use Any name for this platform.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really one of the most fitting contribution for this string.<br />
Thanks for sharing, Tarangita! </p>
<p>I think I know you from facebook too. If you are the same, even more thanks, as many contributors have the tendency to use Any name for this platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/4350#comment-64198</link>
		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know warmth well; 
and good will, and affection, 
and even, feel awkward to admit, tenderness.
Conversely, I know scorn.
I know eye-narrowing ill will.
I know cold, watchful, don&#039;t come near me coldness. 

Enjoyed your posts. ｡oﾟ】ヽ(･´ω｀･｡)ﾉﾞ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know warmth well;<br />
and good will, and affection,<br />
and even, feel awkward to admit, tenderness.<br />
Conversely, I know scorn.<br />
I know eye-narrowing ill will.<br />
I know cold, watchful, don&#8217;t come near me coldness. </p>
<p>Enjoyed your posts. ｡oﾟ】ヽ(･´ω｀･｡)ﾉﾞ</p>
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		<title>By: Parmartha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parmartha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love/hate. Good, Tarangita. Try using it again. Feels authentic to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love/hate. Good, Tarangita. Try using it again. Feels authentic to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Parmartha</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/4350#comment-64196</link>
		<dc:creator>Parmartha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The love you make is equal to the love you take.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The love you make is equal to the love you take.</p>
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		<title>By: sannyasnews</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/4350#comment-64195</link>
		<dc:creator>sannyasnews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for bothering to make this long contribution, Tarangita. 
It adds to the debate, and is based on real experience of living in the Humaniversity.
SN considers that Veeresh tied his boat to Osho&#039;s ocean liner, and rode the wake of it. His AUM meditation and other practices are not really mainstream Osho, though they may have their own validity - but certainly for a subset of people, not all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for bothering to make this long contribution, Tarangita.<br />
It adds to the debate, and is based on real experience of living in the Humaniversity.<br />
SN considers that Veeresh tied his boat to Osho&#8217;s ocean liner, and rode the wake of it. His AUM meditation and other practices are not really mainstream Osho, though they may have their own validity &#8211; but certainly for a subset of people, not all.</p>
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		<title>By: tarangita</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/4350#comment-64194</link>
		<dc:creator>tarangita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2014 13:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BeLoved Satyadeva, oefff-sharp-you-are and you made me laugh too with your LOVE-response towards Madhu. Anyway, I feel the love~warmth of Madhu in her response towards me. 

I am aware that I don&#039;t know from my own experience what UNconditional love is. (Do you know?). That&#039;s why, when somebody says &quot;I am enlightened&quot;, as Veeresh proclaims, or when Veeresh talks about the Power of his Love, I have the tendency to (still) doubt my own feelings. Because when you are enlightened, you speak Truth...Happily, I get more and more in a kind of state, &quot;Right or wrong, just fucking say what you feel, spontaneous, irrational.&quot;

Over 60, my hormones are mellowed down, and now I realize that I have often confused hormones with love. 

Even so, I don&#039;t know what unconditional love is, I often end up my letters with, &quot;with love, Tarangita&quot;, just because I love it. 

When I was living in the Humaniversity I used to write, &quot;love~hate, Tarangita&quot;, but this was not allowed from the staff. As scared~obedient I was in that time, I stopped this and forgot all about it, until now....haaha.  

With love,

Tarangita]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BeLoved Satyadeva, oefff-sharp-you-are and you made me laugh too with your LOVE-response towards Madhu. Anyway, I feel the love~warmth of Madhu in her response towards me. </p>
<p>I am aware that I don&#8217;t know from my own experience what UNconditional love is. (Do you know?). That&#8217;s why, when somebody says &#8220;I am enlightened&#8221;, as Veeresh proclaims, or when Veeresh talks about the Power of his Love, I have the tendency to (still) doubt my own feelings. Because when you are enlightened, you speak Truth&#8230;Happily, I get more and more in a kind of state, &#8220;Right or wrong, just fucking say what you feel, spontaneous, irrational.&#8221;</p>
<p>Over 60, my hormones are mellowed down, and now I realize that I have often confused hormones with love. </p>
<p>Even so, I don&#8217;t know what unconditional love is, I often end up my letters with, &#8220;with love, Tarangita&#8221;, just because I love it. </p>
<p>When I was living in the Humaniversity I used to write, &#8220;love~hate, Tarangita&#8221;, but this was not allowed from the staff. As scared~obedient I was in that time, I stopped this and forgot all about it, until now&#8230;.haaha.  </p>
<p>With love,</p>
<p>Tarangita</p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2014 02:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, Satyadeva, you are not nasty by your comments on my contribution I posted to Tarangita (in an open space).

I meant what I expressed it that way in THIS response you refer to.

You offer a load of associations in your response, some as questions, some not. I wouldn´t say you are wrong, and wouldn´t say you are right either.

Just at the moment, I can say, sometimes the word ´love´ just comes, sometimes not; I don´t feel habituated in it - but going to increase my awareness of this.

So - not easy to practise, to write down....word salad...sorry, it&#039;s late.
(Came home, have been very touched by the work about war issues by Israeli young film makers).

Tomorrow not really time for sharing here, sitting before the computer.

Thank you for the reminder.
Good night, good morning, have a good day.

Madhu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Satyadeva, you are not nasty by your comments on my contribution I posted to Tarangita (in an open space).</p>
<p>I meant what I expressed it that way in THIS response you refer to.</p>
<p>You offer a load of associations in your response, some as questions, some not. I wouldn´t say you are wrong, and wouldn´t say you are right either.</p>
<p>Just at the moment, I can say, sometimes the word ´love´ just comes, sometimes not; I don´t feel habituated in it &#8211; but going to increase my awareness of this.</p>
<p>So &#8211; not easy to practise, to write down&#8230;.word salad&#8230;sorry, it&#8217;s late.<br />
(Came home, have been very touched by the work about war issues by Israeli young film makers).</p>
<p>Tomorrow not really time for sharing here, sitting before the computer.</p>
<p>Thank you for the reminder.<br />
Good night, good morning, have a good day.</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/4350#comment-64160</link>
		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Madhu, this isn&#039;t meant to be &#039;nasty&#039; in any way, and I expect you&#039;re far from the only one, but if you don&#039;t know what love is then why sign off all your posts with &quot;Love, Madhu&quot;?

Perhaps you should rather put &#039;Longing for love, Madhu&#039;?  As Prince Charles famously mused, in response to Diana saying she was &quot;in love&quot; with him: &quot;whatever love is&quot;...But I suspect you do know what it is (isn&#039;t it what you essentially are, especially as a female?) - it&#039;s just its apparent &#039;external scarcity&#039; that bothers you...

I wonder whether you view this as the &#039;fault&#039; of others, eg the entire male (and/or female) species, &#039;the world&#039; and its insane values, and/or your parents, or how &#039;collective Sannyas&#039; has changed, or &#039;Circumstances&#039;, or &#039;Chance&#039; - or, on another level, the all-pervasive absence out there of genuine, unattached, impersonal, &#039;cool&#039; spiritual love?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madhu, this isn&#8217;t meant to be &#8216;nasty&#8217; in any way, and I expect you&#8217;re far from the only one, but if you don&#8217;t know what love is then why sign off all your posts with &#8220;Love, Madhu&#8221;?</p>
<p>Perhaps you should rather put &#8216;Longing for love, Madhu&#8217;?  As Prince Charles famously mused, in response to Diana saying she was &#8220;in love&#8221; with him: &#8220;whatever love is&#8221;&#8230;But I suspect you do know what it is (isn&#8217;t it what you essentially are, especially as a female?) &#8211; it&#8217;s just its apparent &#8216;external scarcity&#8217; that bothers you&#8230;</p>
<p>I wonder whether you view this as the &#8216;fault&#8217; of others, eg the entire male (and/or female) species, &#8216;the world&#8217; and its insane values, and/or your parents, or how &#8216;collective Sannyas&#8217; has changed, or &#8216;Circumstances&#8217;, or &#8216;Chance&#8217; &#8211; or, on another level, the all-pervasive absence out there of genuine, unattached, impersonal, &#8216;cool&#8217; spiritual love?</p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Maybe because I don’t know what love is&quot;

Tarangita, Lovey,

You are with that Not-Knowing in very, very good company.
However, rare are those (like you), who bring some light up on some collective ´shades of grey´ with an honest and courageous report about particles of truths, declared as inconvenient.
Thank you for taking this effort .
 
I am touched. Very much so.

And I wish you and also your child, who might be a ´grown-up´ by now, all the best.

Love,

Madhu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe because I don’t know what love is&#8221;</p>
<p>Tarangita, Lovey,</p>
<p>You are with that Not-Knowing in very, very good company.<br />
However, rare are those (like you), who bring some light up on some collective ´shades of grey´ with an honest and courageous report about particles of truths, declared as inconvenient.<br />
Thank you for taking this effort .</p>
<p>I am touched. Very much so.</p>
<p>And I wish you and also your child, who might be a ´grown-up´ by now, all the best.</p>
<p>Love,</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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