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Immensely grateful, that you put up this thread .
More than easily , I can relate to it.
Me – Personally , as also in the way of how i see so much of the called worldly stuff in broader dimensions. Or Sannyas collective measures , issues and so on so forth .

Even after three decades , not that advanced to embody or to express it like you Lokesh, does , in the ´peace-processing´.

An existential peace allowing state of Being. What Is to be embodied.
A PEACE, deserving capital letters, not like the stuff we are all in , some more, some less, surrounded by (inside-outside) and so good described by : “”peace – as just another way to continue war and attitudes of war”.

So, besides that I feel a climate of support, I also feel it as a possibility to uplift the SN discussions here on many issues of the past (or – of combined with that – fantasies about some future).

Being poisoned by hanging on collectively as individually to a past which has heavy, very heavy digestible traits too, as well as – going with that – not surprisingly hanging on to some glorifications of the ecstastic (past) moments (hindering to experience new ones so often..).

Yes, I can relate to that all.
And am related to the commitment to face all my trials and errors too in processing a peace-making attitude during the life in this body.

It’s deeper than mind, its deeper than ´will`, and sometimes like now , I feel , it is connected with that I call ´Sannyas´. (But may be it all has no name)

I also, like Ashok, have been reading and also seeing docs about the Truth and Peace committees, not only about Africa but also the Khmer Rouge, Vietnam and all this – not to forget about the many testimonials which are available after the Holocaust, from meanwhile many generations to go…
Still the work is not done, is it?

I also, like Kavita, ever so often lose trust that this – an unconditional turn around, a one hundred and eighty degree ‘turn’, the only way to FINISH with a repetitious wheel – can happen.
(And wasn ´t that one of the famous Satasang titles in 1983 (?) with the Master? Arpana knows…).

Uuuuhhh, this is a long one…
Wish I could see you.

In Gratitude –

Madhu

Thanx for sharing your stories & also correcting my weakness.

Have heard other stories like this and am always amazed by the spiritual strength of the individuals involved to forgive murderers, torturers, rapists etc. and not stoop to the same level. Maybe, this is enlightenment?

I think the point of the story is that it highlights the power of forgiveness. Recently, I have read a couple of books that focused on people whose lives were host to great personal injustice. One of those books is titled ‘Unbroken’. A true story about an American airman in World War Two, who is subjected to inhuman treatment in a Japanese POW camp. One Japanese officer saw it as his vocation to mistreat the American airman in order to break his spirit. He failed.. The war ends and the Japanese officer and the American airman meet. To cut a long story short, the American forgives his tormentor. If you read the story you will understand what an amazing occurence this was.

Transferring that to our own lives it raises the question of how difficult we can find it to forgive someone we feel has wronged us. I don’t mean being tortured by someone, I mean anything from what we took as an insult to someone who just did something really shitty to us.

I have in my own life an instance of one man in particular. Because of his actions I had to undergo an extremely difficult sojourn through very tough territory. He does not, to this day, know that I know that he caused this to happen, but I am sure he regrets what he did. I meet him from time to time. I harbour no desire to discuss what happened, having taken the responsibility upon myself. More importantly, I have forgiven him. It did not happen overnight. It took many years for me to process what happened. Somehow the power to forgive heals personal wounds irrespective of the other.

Namaste and Amen. )

This is similar to what Lokesh has felt in the church or will feel in White Robe Brotherhood.