Also, why are you focusing on Jayesh when you address financial issues. Mukesh and Jayesh are in my understanding intimate globe trotting buddies when it comes to such matters. Jayesh and Mukesh both survived the Mumbai terrorist attacks. Why do you separate the team this way?

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Kranti you have raised a very important question. You can be rest assured of one thing. If I am bad then I am very bad. I hope that although I appear to know something about the workings of an evil and criminal mind, I do not possess one myself. Also I am only half the puzzle. If you attain clarity about me, then you also attain clarity about the collective I oppose. If you attain clarity about the collective I oppose, then you also attain clarity about me. Of course there remains the possibility of an even bigger conspiracy than the one the establishment is pulling: the collective and I are hand in glove in evil intent. However, because what I am saying has the potential to bring the establishment down, I should think that theory quite unlikely. The only other possibility is that I and the collective are both good. On this point, if it is found that the collective and I both be good, then I object and shall prefer to be considered evil.

Garimo, this is exactly what I am trying to get at. People are so quick to make judgements about people that they know not at all. Just by seeing someone at the resort everyday for months on end, slowly slowly our ideas about them grow and become set in stone. Many people may have never met a person and over the years form the held view that such a person posses super-human qualities. Another person may be considered in-human along the same lines. Say you instantly take a liking or a disliking to someone. This can grow over time, and eventually become extreme and resolute. Yet so often these beliefs about other people have not a trace of reality in them. To be human is to have good and bad, to make wrongs and to make wrongs right. Yet it would be naïve to ignore the fact the some people indulge in the dark side of their being; the same is to ignore that some people journey more and more towards the light.

Prem Abhay is now questioning Amrito’s character, where as before he just blindly accepted his enlightenment. So many people blindly accept Amrito and Jayesh’s self-assumed spiritual status. For these people I say that Amrito has a brilliant medical mind. He is also a brilliant scholar and researcher. However he has not a head on him for finance. It perplexes me that Pune 2 was so successful, yet there appears to be underlying financial issues. The obvious question is where is all the money? Jayesh is supposedly the financial wizard that regularly rescues the resort with his own personal wealth. I wonder if he could shed any light on this very interesting issue.

Oh and a technical correction. The President of Honduras that I was referring to for trying to extend his term in office by changing the constitutional limit was Mr Zelaya, not Mr Micheletti.

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Harri Om, why is it that you are so sure that Amrito is a bad guy?

SannyasNews: A while back SannyasNews reporters had the courage to put my Notice of Eviction on their site – Resort Blues. However it was made clear that SannyasNews did not agree with many of my views. I am wondering on what of the many points SannyasNews disagrees, and why? I say this sincerely because I have as yet not heard any half sensible critique of what I have written. Also, quite obviously Inner-Circle and management team India also disagree with my position, yet they will not say where I have gone wrong. Hence if I can have some feedback from other sources as to where I am going wrong, some progress may be made in this stalled and deteriorating environment.

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Remember when I made the researched proposal about the most likely scenario of Osho’s poisoning (that eventually led to his rapid decline and death): it is most likely that Osho was poisoned during the period leading up to (or perhaps just prior to) his ear-infection at the Pune 2 commune. The reason why no-one has ever considered this, even though it is much more likely than a United States government conspiracy theory, is because it is something that no-one would ever suspect.

If I wanted to rub someone out (so to speak), and if the finger was already pointing towards me, do you think that I would be smart to try and rub them out? No, if I was really crafty, the best time to rub someone out was either when no-one was looking, or when the finger was already pointing to someone else – that’s smart, of course if you were a calculating criminal.

Something is striking my little mind. It is a comment in “sannyasnews” about Swami Rajneesh: and we all know why that happened to him. Of course most people think they know why – he is that slow walking nutcase who thinks he is Osho. The interesting thing is that now, years on, he has decided rather than directing is entire energy into the inner search, to engage with the world. Most importantly, the world likes him very much – so much so that Vatayana had to send a circular out to all the Osho centres to tell them that ‘just to let you know there is a little guru play here’. The trouble for Vatayana and the gang is that Swami Rajneesh aint know little guru. He is not as great a seer as Osho, although he looks a damn lot like him. However this man is a very powerful and striking being, who is drawing throngs of followers.

Swami Rajneesh’s account of the threats and violence against him whilst at the Pune 2 commune suggests a systematic attack from the establishment. If this is the case and if it could be proven to be so, this would result in serious criminal convictions. Swami Rajneesh was threatened with a knife, he was also badly beaten: some of the injuries took many years (and intense therapy) to heal.

Yet at the time, Swami Rajneesh was by all accounts a nut-case. The only objection to kicking him out was that he was anyhow just harmless. The onslaught on him was extremely harmful. Yet this did not raise any concerns. Just see the absurdity of this.

Unfortunately for some, Swami Rajneesh was not some psychotic nutcase. He was also not a little buddha in the making. He was a big buddha in the making, and the establishment (probably) knew it. Of course the crowd of blind followers went along with the violent campaign that the establishment likely set into train. If you think he is still a nutcase, read his book or have the courage to sit in front of him and look him straight in the eyes.

What about this Prem Abhay fellow that I also talk about. He is another nutcase like Swami Rajneesh isn’t he? First of all he has a string of academic qualifications so if he is indeed a nutcase, he is not a stupid one. Also, Prem Abhay spent years and years and years in silence. Three of those years were spent in Osho’s Samadhi and Osho’s Lao Tzu garden. He used to work in the garden with Mukta (the old mystic lady that owns Lao Tzu – she bought it for Osho, to form the first and greatest commune). I can only suppose that Mukta and Abhay must have communicated in silence, for the sake of the flowers.

There were rumours that Abhay was Mukta’s latest lover. There were other rumours that Abhay was the lover of one of the other disciples that still resided in the Master’s home. Also, by some accounts Prem Abhay looked to be going through hell. By other accounts he was also a slow walking man like Rajneesh, with long hair and a beard (and in silence). I myself think Prem Abhay has walked around Buddha Hall more times than anyone else, including Mukta.

When Prem Abhay seemed to come out of his apparently withdrawn and mentally ill state, fireworks happened. Of course there were the nice people who wanted to help this lost soul by doing therapies and the like. However (from his blog) have a read of this…

I recall one particular incident that occurred when I was standing at the back-gate of the centre. A car roared up to the gate and stopped abruptly; music was blazing loudly; and the young man of Indian appearance gave the appearance of being drunk. The car window was down, and he made some strange obscure comments to me. Suddenly he accelerated of, only to stop approximately 100 metres down the road. The car then spun around, and came back at considerable speed. It then swerved towards me. I reacted quickly, and ended up near the wall of the centre – another person witnessed this event. Other than thinking what a ‘crazy driver’ (a euphemism), I thought nothing further of it; nothing further, that is until right now I type these words.

http://oshobuddhism.blogspot.com/2008/03/further-reading.html

Now this happened before he spoke out. It happened when everyone thought he was just a victim that needed saving by therapy. Noone knows where Prem Abhay is or what he is doing. However it seems reasonable to assume that he does not have a global following like Swami Rajneesh is developing.

His first collection of poetry is entitled “The Dark Night of the Soul: A Way Through”.

http://oshobuddhism.blogspot.com/2008/03/witness-doorway-to-higher-understanding.html

Perhaps Prem Abhay is a nutcase like Swami Rajneesh is not. Perhaps Prem Abhay is a great master who wants to see out his days in his last body sitting in silent communion because the crowd is too stupid. In any case, the background fits with the possibility that Prem Abhay may one day become a great Master, even one that could stand beside Osho. (I know this will be deeply sacrilegious to a few fools…get over it). Imagine what the establishment would think of that. Their whole future is based on abuse of Osho’s words and image. Imagine if a real living buddha that spoke in ways like Osho and that had a real and powerful presence like Osho’s, was still in the body. Such a person could be very dangerous (just like Osho was). Imagine Jayesh and Amrito going around saying ‘it is in the name of Him that I do and say’, when there is an Osho II that will stand up and run over them.

If I were an evil and calculating criminal, I would dispose of Prem Abhay at the earliest, well before anyone would think anything of it. If unfortunately that did not work, I would slander him and make him a pariah, just like Swami Rajneesh. It is unfortunate that Swami Rajneesh came back to haunt the establishment. However what about this Prem Abhay fellow? If he came back I think people might here about it. Where is he? Also, knowing what is happening with Swami Rajneesh and his world tours, I would think it may be pertinent to take a risk and find Prem Abhay, rub him out, and just weather the storm if anyone happens to here that the person that noone knows anything about (yet still writes on “sannyasnews” and oshoworld’s “sannyas world news” board) is dead.

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In a way i am tired of posting messages without coming across facts except some facts about water contamination by Prem Abhay..

Prem Abhay felt these posts / forum has been contructive.. That how i fely when started ..But i no longer feel the same..

I am taking break once more unless something constructive / new threads makes me participate..

In general about sannyasin paranoia, it is historically known by hundreds of sannyasins that people have been drinking seriously contaminated drinking water for many years. So the establishment is willing to expose unsuspecting visitors to potentially life threatening infection – all for the sake of what, a few dollars? Now if there were potential threats to their grip on power (and abundance), do you think it reasonable to assume that they would also not mind exposing those people (who pose a threat) to potentially life threatening dangers? With Swami Rajneesh and Prem Abhay, they (the establishment) have already proven my argument. It matters not that Swami Rajneesh’s account is older. Actually it just shows how long management has been acting in a violent criminal manner.

As for the Indian Government, it is true that I commenced the blog with a letter that I would like to send to the Prime Minister. I believe he is a good man, and knows much about Osho and his work – like many Indian politicians. However as is a blatant fact, the Indian political and governmental system is deeply infected with corruption and abuse of power. That the local Pune police were likely bribed by resort management to make sure that Prem Abhay’s complaints went nowhere is obvious. I remember hearing that the Pune police station has numerous complaints of a sexual nature against Dhyanesh, all lodged by women. This of course may just be a rumour. It is the same with the story doing the rounds that Yogendra was out of the country because the police were after him for having sex with a minor. Local Pune police level corruption is perhaps considered by itself negligible. However for the Pune resort to operate the way it has for so many years means that corruption likely has taken place at a very high level indeed.

Osho spoke strongly against politicians, just as he spoke strongly against the sexual deviance of the Christian priesthood. Concerning the Christian religion, just two decades on and the world over is full of scandals, convictions, and billions of dollars in compensation. Osho saw the truth in people and called it that way. If you repeat what he has said about politicians and priests without so much as a clue as to whether the situation has changed over the last two decades, then you are committing an abhorrent act of ignorance – just the same as so many other supposed Osho sannyasins. Doing so means you have adopted a certain belief system based on Osho’s writings. You make a mockery of his essence.

I am tempted not to comment about your ‘Let Go’ as it stands on its own for degree of stupidity. However I shall try and open one of your eyes just a slither. (Please also forgive me for endlessly repeating the same points). If there are crimes being committed at the resort, and I emphasise if, is it appropriate to just walk away? If you say yes, and there are crimes and those crimes be serious and you are well aware of them, then you are both extremely insensitive and unconscious, and a criminal. See you in jail!

About your view of the issues being trivial, do you not get it that it is likely that people have died from drinking the seriously contaminated drinking water? You also selectively talk about broomsticks. Why have you not talked about knives? In any case a broomstick being used to sweep a road is a little less relevant than having a broomstick threateningly waved at someone’s head. In any case what were the security guards doing with broomsticks in the first place?

From Prem Abhay’s diary of events it is clear that Dhyanesh (and his security guards) came on the scene on orders from above. People like Yogendra and Amrito were already intimately involved in the exchanges with Prem Abhay, long before Dhyanesh tried to throw is ample weight around.

“Inviting prime minister”…are you crazy? I just made the comment that his government better pick up its act and find the corrupt officials that are in lock-step with Pune resort, else some serious legal and ethical problems may lie ahead.

You say that perhaps I will prove you wrong? Kranti you have done an excellent job of that all by yourself…just shows that despite your ignorance, there is always hope!!! It gives me hope too. And don’t worry, I am not expecting you to get the joke and apologise (not just yet anyway).

Prem Bubbie, cheers, and watch out for the traffic.

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