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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Hasn’t anyone ever suggested you have a worrying (especially for you) tendency to take things far too seriously?&quot;

Oh yes, Satyadeva, but up to now not in such a nice, polite and even kind of compassionate way. I got even a private e-mail with the suggestion to cancel my responses here so far -
I still have it as a &#039;reminder&#039;  - and a reminder is sometimes worth keeping as long as one is in need of it.

I am not as naive as I may appear here quite often, but yet I am naive and I tend to say sometimes that that is a very beautiful side of myself, precious - also, deserves to be taken care of (by myself).

One possible short excursion may be of the &#039;Scorpio&#039; thing you mentioned.
Another &#039;Saturnical&#039; could be that I broke my left leg bones badly last year, have a lot of metal still inside, as other follow-ups on the body realms - painful and difficult too.

But, you know, somehow, a little more than two decades ago, to be concerned about astrology just dropped me, not the other way round. Ended with books of Liz Greene and her way to look at stuff like that and I was very grateful for the time being.

Madhu


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hasn’t anyone ever suggested you have a worrying (especially for you) tendency to take things far too seriously?&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh yes, Satyadeva, but up to now not in such a nice, polite and even kind of compassionate way. I got even a private e-mail with the suggestion to cancel my responses here so far -<br />
I still have it as a &#8216;reminder&#8217;  &#8211; and a reminder is sometimes worth keeping as long as one is in need of it.</p>
<p>I am not as naive as I may appear here quite often, but yet I am naive and I tend to say sometimes that that is a very beautiful side of myself, precious &#8211; also, deserves to be taken care of (by myself).</p>
<p>One possible short excursion may be of the &#8216;Scorpio&#8217; thing you mentioned.<br />
Another &#8216;Saturnical&#8217; could be that I broke my left leg bones badly last year, have a lot of metal still inside, as other follow-ups on the body realms &#8211; painful and difficult too.</p>
<p>But, you know, somehow, a little more than two decades ago, to be concerned about astrology just dropped me, not the other way round. Ended with books of Liz Greene and her way to look at stuff like that and I was very grateful for the time being.</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 16:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“The ‘Monty Python’ show is but a parable of distorted life.”

Madhu, first and foremost, ‘Monty Python’ was/is about having a huge laugh at the utterly comic absurdity of human life.

Hasn’t anyone ever suggested you have a worrying (especially for you) tendency to take things far too seriously? I mean, the sort of response you’ve given here could itself easily be ‘sent up’, made into the centre of a ridiculously comic sketch!

Maybe you are alone too much (I know how things can get somehow &#039;distorted&#039; under such conditions), maybe, to use a common English admonition, ‘you need to get out more’?

And (I wonder if the Editor will let me get away with this?!), tell me, does Scorpio figure significantly in your birth-chart, by any chance? Saturn’s been transiting that sign for nearly two years now, causing all sorts of ‘chickens to come home to roost’ (English saying meaning, in this context, that many personal issues previously hidden or avoided have been ‘forced’ into the awareness of those with a strong Scorpio influence, eg me - and you?).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The ‘Monty Python’ show is but a parable of distorted life.”</p>
<p>Madhu, first and foremost, ‘Monty Python’ was/is about having a huge laugh at the utterly comic absurdity of human life.</p>
<p>Hasn’t anyone ever suggested you have a worrying (especially for you) tendency to take things far too seriously? I mean, the sort of response you’ve given here could itself easily be ‘sent up’, made into the centre of a ridiculously comic sketch!</p>
<p>Maybe you are alone too much (I know how things can get somehow &#8216;distorted&#8217; under such conditions), maybe, to use a common English admonition, ‘you need to get out more’?</p>
<p>And (I wonder if the Editor will let me get away with this?!), tell me, does Scorpio figure significantly in your birth-chart, by any chance? Saturn’s been transiting that sign for nearly two years now, causing all sorts of ‘chickens to come home to roost’ (English saying meaning, in this context, that many personal issues previously hidden or avoided have been ‘forced’ into the awareness of those with a strong Scorpio influence, eg me &#8211; and you?).</p>
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		<title>By: lokesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>lokesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The basic premise is that something, a soul, consciousness, awareness etc is to be brought about, constructed etc. Often in esoteric teachings, spiritual development is metaphorically described as a building of some kind. For example, Gurdjieff taught that we live on the first three floors of a building. Higher floors are available and open to us, but we have to learn how to access them. Christ said, &quot;in My Father&#039;s house are many mansions.&quot; In New Age parlance we hear of our body being a temple and to treat it as such.

In the Osho construction company it was made perfectly clear that in order to get one&#039;s house in order the first thing to do was clean out the basement. No building will last constructed on a rotten foundation. Therapy is perhaps the best way to get the job done. Catharsis was a big element in Osho&#039;s work. I don&#039;t believe he would have implemented such a messy procedure had he not thought it necessary. 

Of course, some got so into that they became stuck there, while others never bothered because they were and are so full of shit they are blind to their situation and when speaking on the matter their ignorance is clearly evident. Those who passed through the process were benefited by it and moved onto the next stage...meditation, a more wholesome life etc.

Osho should be respected for pushing the catharsis agenda. He took risks doing that and those of us who entered the fire did also. For the times we live in it was one of his most intelligent moves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The basic premise is that something, a soul, consciousness, awareness etc is to be brought about, constructed etc. Often in esoteric teachings, spiritual development is metaphorically described as a building of some kind. For example, Gurdjieff taught that we live on the first three floors of a building. Higher floors are available and open to us, but we have to learn how to access them. Christ said, &#8220;in My Father&#8217;s house are many mansions.&#8221; In New Age parlance we hear of our body being a temple and to treat it as such.</p>
<p>In the Osho construction company it was made perfectly clear that in order to get one&#8217;s house in order the first thing to do was clean out the basement. No building will last constructed on a rotten foundation. Therapy is perhaps the best way to get the job done. Catharsis was a big element in Osho&#8217;s work. I don&#8217;t believe he would have implemented such a messy procedure had he not thought it necessary. </p>
<p>Of course, some got so into that they became stuck there, while others never bothered because they were and are so full of shit they are blind to their situation and when speaking on the matter their ignorance is clearly evident. Those who passed through the process were benefited by it and moved onto the next stage&#8230;meditation, a more wholesome life etc.</p>
<p>Osho should be respected for pushing the catharsis agenda. He took risks doing that and those of us who entered the fire did also. For the times we live in it was one of his most intelligent moves.</p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 12:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Prem Martyn, for sharing some more reference points of yours, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.

What happened to me is that when I went a bit deeper into the ancient culture you mentioned - the Yazidis of Iraq - via the present and some of the past information of the big Wiki brain
me - for the moment ended - (MOD: NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN HERE, MADHU: me - for the moment ended)    after reading about their culture (with reference points to Gurdjieff too),
I ended in the report of a very young Yazidi woman who in 2007 (!), stoned to death by her own family in her village - and her name was Du´a Khalil Aswad.    -  

So, I - as a woman - need a break. 

And yet - thank you for giving reference as it is clear anyway that our all global problems up to a very individual space are rooted in the ocean of unconsciousnesses, and most of the time we don´t really come to know what´s ruling our actions or prejudices.

Once again, being in deep Gratitude for a Master like Osho for pointing out the latter.

Being a bit shaky, I will have a walk to and into the greenery zones here-now...

And wish you all well - and me too.


Madhu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Prem Martyn, for sharing some more reference points of yours, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.</p>
<p>What happened to me is that when I went a bit deeper into the ancient culture you mentioned &#8211; the Yazidis of Iraq &#8211; via the present and some of the past information of the big Wiki brain<br />
me &#8211; for the moment ended &#8211; (MOD: NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN HERE, MADHU: me &#8211; for the moment ended)    after reading about their culture (with reference points to Gurdjieff too),<br />
I ended in the report of a very young Yazidi woman who in 2007 (!), stoned to death by her own family in her village &#8211; and her name was Du´a Khalil Aswad.    &#8211;  </p>
<p>So, I &#8211; as a woman &#8211; need a break. </p>
<p>And yet &#8211; thank you for giving reference as it is clear anyway that our all global problems up to a very individual space are rooted in the ocean of unconsciousnesses, and most of the time we don´t really come to know what´s ruling our actions or prejudices.</p>
<p>Once again, being in deep Gratitude for a Master like Osho for pointing out the latter.</p>
<p>Being a bit shaky, I will have a walk to and into the greenery zones here-now&#8230;</p>
<p>And wish you all well &#8211; and me too.</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: prem martyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>prem martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Karima, you&#039;re very welcome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karima, you&#8217;re very welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great link, Martyn. 

As a matter of huge interest, I recall the programme maker Adam Curtis being a regular face on the scene at Parly Hill tennis courts and GLC caff, back in the late 80&#039;s...(which clearly makes me pretty important as well).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great link, Martyn. </p>
<p>As a matter of huge interest, I recall the programme maker Adam Curtis being a regular face on the scene at Parly Hill tennis courts and GLC caff, back in the late 80&#8242;s&#8230;(which clearly makes me pretty important as well).</p>
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		<title>By: prem martyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>prem martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Corruption, justice, New Age communes, psychology, growth...Centralized power structures and all that...

How anyone can still maintain that the large financial sums paid to single, growth-promotion individuals who have little evidence for ploughing back the gains made into socially egalitarian provision, a-la not-for-profit model or socially accountable mutual investment models or micro lending or etc. etc. (you get the picture) quite beggars belief and is an act of faith itself.

Take any motivational big name or institution in the world of New Age doo-dah and notice how much they pander to what Stanford University determined to be merchandisable sets of feelings. Now I don&#039;t want to be absolutist about this, people can choose whatever they want in a world of developed choice. 

Or even consider what I discovered recently, that the Yazidis of Iraq apparently believe there is no such thing as temptation from outside, that all is our own creation, which is quite an insight imo.

Have a look at this though, it&#039;s also widely available as a download from torrentz etc:

http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=98A048057A1347B631C2F5043F16D268]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corruption, justice, New Age communes, psychology, growth&#8230;Centralized power structures and all that&#8230;</p>
<p>How anyone can still maintain that the large financial sums paid to single, growth-promotion individuals who have little evidence for ploughing back the gains made into socially egalitarian provision, a-la not-for-profit model or socially accountable mutual investment models or micro lending or etc. etc. (you get the picture) quite beggars belief and is an act of faith itself.</p>
<p>Take any motivational big name or institution in the world of New Age doo-dah and notice how much they pander to what Stanford University determined to be merchandisable sets of feelings. Now I don&#8217;t want to be absolutist about this, people can choose whatever they want in a world of developed choice. </p>
<p>Or even consider what I discovered recently, that the Yazidis of Iraq apparently believe there is no such thing as temptation from outside, that all is our own creation, which is quite an insight imo.</p>
<p>Have a look at this though, it&#8217;s also widely available as a download from torrentz etc:</p>
<p><a href="http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=98A048057A1347B631C2F5043F16D268" rel="nofollow">http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=98A048057A1347B631C2F5043F16D268</a></p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 07:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some feel &#039;alive&#039;, Prem Martyn, if they torture themselves, some feel &#039;alive&#039; if they torture others, and again, not a few feel &#039;alive&#039; when gong into a peep show to look at such distortion.

And some gain their &#039;living&#039;, how one says, by torture games and their distribution, and again some of those belong to any obnoxious secret services games with human life.

The &#039;Monty Python&#039; show is but a parable of distorted life.

And I would like to ask you: 
What is YOUR reality, and what did YOU here want to share, and to share concerning the issue of the thread? 
And with whom? And about what?


Madhu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some feel &#8216;alive&#8217;, Prem Martyn, if they torture themselves, some feel &#8216;alive&#8217; if they torture others, and again, not a few feel &#8216;alive&#8217; when gong into a peep show to look at such distortion.</p>
<p>And some gain their &#8216;living&#8217;, how one says, by torture games and their distribution, and again some of those belong to any obnoxious secret services games with human life.</p>
<p>The &#8216;Monty Python&#8217; show is but a parable of distorted life.</p>
<p>And I would like to ask you:<br />
What is YOUR reality, and what did YOU here want to share, and to share concerning the issue of the thread?<br />
And with whom? And about what?</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: karima</title>
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		<dc:creator>karima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 07:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Martyn, laughing and crying at seeing myself, thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martyn, laughing and crying at seeing myself, thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: prem martyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>prem martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 00:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But he refuses to take any more questions for discourse...which is understandable really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But he refuses to take any more questions for discourse&#8230;which is understandable really.</p>
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