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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3976#comment-60720</link>
		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;By killing the emotions, you kill the love. In such man-made relations like master-disciple, role of emotions is paramount, otherwise what is the difference between an Acharya and an Osho?&quot;


On the other hand, Shantam, by making such extreme emotions so ultimately important (which for you are apparently bound up with the thirst for &#039;social excitement&#039; I mentioned earlier) you are self-evidently the author of your own suffering, the discontent and unhappiness you have made sure everyone here knows about, having informed us time and again here over many years.

Since when has &#039;love&#039; made anyone unhappy? Perhaps what you call &#039;love&#039; is not that at all, but just emotion, basically emotional need. Like this need to &#039;merge&#039; in excitement with thousands of others - somewhat similar to a football fan, in fact!


Perhaps that&#039;s another lesson for you in the situation....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By killing the emotions, you kill the love. In such man-made relations like master-disciple, role of emotions is paramount, otherwise what is the difference between an Acharya and an Osho?&#8221;</p>
<p>On the other hand, Shantam, by making such extreme emotions so ultimately important (which for you are apparently bound up with the thirst for &#8216;social excitement&#8217; I mentioned earlier) you are self-evidently the author of your own suffering, the discontent and unhappiness you have made sure everyone here knows about, having informed us time and again here over many years.</p>
<p>Since when has &#8216;love&#8217; made anyone unhappy? Perhaps what you call &#8216;love&#8217; is not that at all, but just emotion, basically emotional need. Like this need to &#8216;merge&#8217; in excitement with thousands of others &#8211; somewhat similar to a football fan, in fact!</p>
<p>Perhaps that&#8217;s another lesson for you in the situation&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3976#comment-60715</link>
		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I might well be way off track here, Shantam, but it&#039;s occurred to me that perhaps your extreme concern for returning to &#039;the good old days&#039; at the Pune ashram could be at least partly driven by a fear of being unable to rent out your property there (to ashram visitors @ maybe top, &#039;western&#039; prices?).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might well be way off track here, Shantam, but it&#8217;s occurred to me that perhaps your extreme concern for returning to &#8216;the good old days&#8217; at the Pune ashram could be at least partly driven by a fear of being unable to rent out your property there (to ashram visitors @ maybe top, &#8216;western&#8217; prices?).</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3976#comment-60714</link>
		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But the answer&#039;s obvious, Shantam. Pune itself is an unattractive destination, overcrowded, heavily polluted, expensive to get to as well. And without Osho&#039;s presence, how many would really want to make the effort? 

Tough, it seems, for those like yourself who place huge importance - and undue significance - on what might be termed &#039;social excitement&#039;, but I suggest you remember and meditate on Osho&#039;s own warning, when inviting everyone to come to him, that &#039;such a door won&#039;t be open for long&#039; (not an exact quote, but the gist of what he said).

And if you find yourself unhappily &#039;high and dry&#039;, as it were, with &#039;nowhere to go but down&#039;, then I suggest you look closely at what you were or are really looking for. Because if it&#039;s only or mainly &#039;social excitement&#039; then right now you might be getting your just desserts, ie not what you wanted, but what you need. &#039;Existence taking care&#039; again...?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the answer&#8217;s obvious, Shantam. Pune itself is an unattractive destination, overcrowded, heavily polluted, expensive to get to as well. And without Osho&#8217;s presence, how many would really want to make the effort? </p>
<p>Tough, it seems, for those like yourself who place huge importance &#8211; and undue significance &#8211; on what might be termed &#8216;social excitement&#8217;, but I suggest you remember and meditate on Osho&#8217;s own warning, when inviting everyone to come to him, that &#8216;such a door won&#8217;t be open for long&#8217; (not an exact quote, but the gist of what he said).</p>
<p>And if you find yourself unhappily &#8216;high and dry&#8217;, as it were, with &#8216;nowhere to go but down&#8217;, then I suggest you look closely at what you were or are really looking for. Because if it&#8217;s only or mainly &#8216;social excitement&#8217; then right now you might be getting your just desserts, ie not what you wanted, but what you need. &#8216;Existence taking care&#8217; again&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3976#comment-60710</link>
		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely Osho was a drug addict narcissist who encouraged such festivity.

Though I will say, every Osho festival has lost the relevance, just like leaves and fruit don´t grow from a fallen tree.

This post I am writing from a German seaside resort. It is bursting with people, young and old, top class infrastructure, shuttle taxi to take people to the beach, swimming pool and sauna...just like Jayesh´s Osho Resort.
Come, enjoy and go...

Question is, when thousands such resorts are full with people, why Pune Resort is crying for people just like a widow´s lonely nights?

By killing the emotions, you kill the love. In such man-made relations like master-disciple, role of emotions is paramount, otherwise what is the difference between an Acharya and an Osho?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely Osho was a drug addict narcissist who encouraged such festivity.</p>
<p>Though I will say, every Osho festival has lost the relevance, just like leaves and fruit don´t grow from a fallen tree.</p>
<p>This post I am writing from a German seaside resort. It is bursting with people, young and old, top class infrastructure, shuttle taxi to take people to the beach, swimming pool and sauna&#8230;just like Jayesh´s Osho Resort.<br />
Come, enjoy and go&#8230;</p>
<p>Question is, when thousands such resorts are full with people, why Pune Resort is crying for people just like a widow´s lonely nights?</p>
<p>By killing the emotions, you kill the love. In such man-made relations like master-disciple, role of emotions is paramount, otherwise what is the difference between an Acharya and an Osho?</p>
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		<title>By: karima</title>
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		<dc:creator>karima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Madhu, I hope I do understand where you are coming from. And I sense a sadness, also in myself. 

From what I gather about your last post is that you mean (correct me if i&#039;m wrong) that the personality (ego) uses Truth, insight and silence to manipulate and silence others?  And the harm and hurt it can cause?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Madhu, I hope I do understand where you are coming from. And I sense a sadness, also in myself. </p>
<p>From what I gather about your last post is that you mean (correct me if i&#8217;m wrong) that the personality (ego) uses Truth, insight and silence to manipulate and silence others?  And the harm and hurt it can cause?</p>
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		<title>By: karima</title>
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		<dc:creator>karima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Satydeva, it&#039;s a bit like a koan, is&#039;nt it? And it&#039;s interesting to discuss about it,  Existence taking care of everything...and is this just a belief, or a mantra, or is it my Living Truth?

For me, the things I&#039;m writing down here are like pointers, they surface again and again afterwards, and like in Enlightenment Intensive the question is: is this true, or is it just a belief? So this is the bottom line, otherwise it&#039;s just a fighting and comparing with points of view, as if to say: the point of vieuw from where I&#039;m seeing Truth or Existence is better then your point of vieuw from where you see Existence! 

In my experience, what I wrote about Existence is not just spiritual mumbo jumbo; yes, as a concept it is, but the challenge moment-to-moment, to see what is mumbo-jumbo and not true, and then let it go, is hard work, and ultimately an act of surrender.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Satydeva, it&#8217;s a bit like a koan, is&#8217;nt it? And it&#8217;s interesting to discuss about it,  Existence taking care of everything&#8230;and is this just a belief, or a mantra, or is it my Living Truth?</p>
<p>For me, the things I&#8217;m writing down here are like pointers, they surface again and again afterwards, and like in Enlightenment Intensive the question is: is this true, or is it just a belief? So this is the bottom line, otherwise it&#8217;s just a fighting and comparing with points of view, as if to say: the point of vieuw from where I&#8217;m seeing Truth or Existence is better then your point of vieuw from where you see Existence! </p>
<p>In my experience, what I wrote about Existence is not just spiritual mumbo jumbo; yes, as a concept it is, but the challenge moment-to-moment, to see what is mumbo-jumbo and not true, and then let it go, is hard work, and ultimately an act of surrender.</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who knows, perhaps &#039;Existence takes care&#039; could not only refer to the &#039;nice&#039; stuff, maybe it could be expanded to include the whole lot - war, premature death, disease, fatal accidents, mental and physical disability, hurricanes, shipwrecks, floods, famines etc. etc...?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knows, perhaps &#8216;Existence takes care&#8217; could not only refer to the &#8216;nice&#8217; stuff, maybe it could be expanded to include the whole lot &#8211; war, premature death, disease, fatal accidents, mental and physical disability, hurricanes, shipwrecks, floods, famines etc. etc&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3976#comment-60703</link>
		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Madhu.

I have never, for even  a second, thought of you as someone associated with Hitler.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madhu.</p>
<p>I have never, for even  a second, thought of you as someone associated with Hitler.</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or, is &#039;Existence&#039; already &#039;taking care of everything&#039; anyway, eg we&#039;ve been born, are living, and will one day not be here any more; and the Earth continues on its inexorable way around the Sun, the seasons come and go, the universe is expanding (so we hear), and so on and on..?

Or, is it that &#039;Existence takes care of everything&#039; when we, ie the individual, has done his/her &#039;share&#039; of the &#039;work&#039;?

IE, &#039;Existence is taking care&#039; of a lot of things, but by no means everything?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, is &#8216;Existence&#8217; already &#8216;taking care of everything&#8217; anyway, eg we&#8217;ve been born, are living, and will one day not be here any more; and the Earth continues on its inexorable way around the Sun, the seasons come and go, the universe is expanding (so we hear), and so on and on..?</p>
<p>Or, is it that &#8216;Existence takes care of everything&#8217; when we, ie the individual, has done his/her &#8216;share&#8217; of the &#8216;work&#8217;?</p>
<p>IE, &#8216;Existence is taking care&#8217; of a lot of things, but by no means everything?</p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Karima (at7.01 pm),

You misunderstood  -
and I am quite sure you will find a way to eloquently respond that it´s me who does not understand.
And maybe Arpana&#039;s new piece on &#039;Hitler&#039; is just tiring me of either responding with esoteric eloquence or some old pattern of self-service &#039;go&#039; on a caravanserai-autobahn...

So - just for the moment - I&#039;d like to ask you if you could read what I answered to the questions of the moderators (at 6.00 pm) and to Satyadeva (at 6.20 pm)?

There are indeed many ways to get silenced and there are other ways to share a silence or what comes out of silence, if these are words then as a response and not out of a robot-like repetitive old mechanism.

I am tired just now, very much so,
and tomorrow, if that happens, is another day.

Madhu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karima (at7.01 pm),</p>
<p>You misunderstood  -<br />
and I am quite sure you will find a way to eloquently respond that it´s me who does not understand.<br />
And maybe Arpana&#8217;s new piece on &#8216;Hitler&#8217; is just tiring me of either responding with esoteric eloquence or some old pattern of self-service &#8216;go&#8217; on a caravanserai-autobahn&#8230;</p>
<p>So &#8211; just for the moment &#8211; I&#8217;d like to ask you if you could read what I answered to the questions of the moderators (at 6.00 pm) and to Satyadeva (at 6.20 pm)?</p>
<p>There are indeed many ways to get silenced and there are other ways to share a silence or what comes out of silence, if these are words then as a response and not out of a robot-like repetitive old mechanism.</p>
<p>I am tired just now, very much so,<br />
and tomorrow, if that happens, is another day.</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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