Comments on: Sweet Surrender

By: satyadeva

satyadeva — Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:10:03 +0000

Here, you only provide yet more evidence that you haven’t the slightest clue what ‘real’ meditation is about, Shantam.

I suggest you carefully study Karima’s post of 10.26am today, in the latest thread.

Meanwhile, I’m taking the wise advice of my bathroom mirror….

By: Shantam Prem

Shantam Prem — Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:09:00 +0000

How wrong one can be in his judgements and self-assessments, SD, you are the right proof.

As I remember, that was the purpose of commune and master´s zen stick to take disciples out from their comfort zone. Without this, meditation can be used as natural Prozac. Not bad, it has only one side-effect, one sits on the tied boat and behaves as if sailing.

This is called Siddhi!

By: satyadeva

satyadeva — Sun, 13 Jul 2014 11:19:44 +0000

Funnily enough, that’s exactly what happened this morning, Shantam. Nothing unusual, nothing to brag about, just par for the course for an advanced meditator like my, er, ‘self’. I feel blessed because it’s such a wonderful ‘reminder’…

My bathroom mirror is an unfailing source of spiritual wisdom and guidance on many matters, by the way. In fact, I’ve never known it to be wrong. Now you might think it’s an enviable ‘siddhi’ and I realise you’re jealous and as a committed non-meditator feel terribly inferior about this sort of thing, but you get nothin’ for nothin’ in this life and the fact is, I’ve put in the hours, you haven’t.

Hang on, it’s calling me right now…
… … … …

It says, “Do not waste any more of your precious time and energy on this individual, if it wasn’t for the freely available sex with foreign women he would never have bothered.”

By: madhu dagmar frantzen

madhu dagmar frantzen — Sun, 13 Jul 2014 10:32:43 +0000

Moderators, I said it was in agreement to:
“…one of the most ridiculously foolish, most ill-informed statements that even you have ever made, Shantam.

With ‘friends’ like you, Osho has no need of ‘enemies’.”

And what has been so difficult to understand there?
As I mentioned the time of his post.

Madhu

MOD: MADHU, WE WERE REFERRING ONLY TO THIS BIT OF YOUR EARLIER POST:
And sometimes I wonder about the moderation issue.

By: Shantam Prem

Shantam Prem — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:50:30 +0000

If dogs become humans they will smell the words.
Naturally borrowed words and expressions are like stale meat!

Meditation is a way of life and Satyadeva lives this life.
My feeling is if someone enters his bathroom and looks at the mirror, mirror will peep, “You are not Satyadeva!”

By: satyadeva

satyadeva — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:43:31 +0000

But your previous post referred to the Sannyas movement, not to “the West” or to anyone else, didn’t it, Shantam? Here, you’re merely serving up yet another dish of ‘red herrings’ – well seasoned by an astounding ignorance for an Osho disciple – which unfortunately (for you) completely lacks anything approaching ‘the tongue-tip taste of Tao’.

If you don’t realise that meditation – ultimately, as a way of life, rather than something to be ‘done’ for an hour or so per day – was recommended by Osho as a key aspect of his teaching, a means, for example, to awareness of and dissolution of our mental and emotional identifications and attachments, hence to inner space and stillness, then you’ve understood very little.

In fact, it’s always seemed to me that you just don’t have the remotest clue what real meditation is about.

It might well not be part of your personal experience, therefore somehow irrelevant to you, but if you reject this way of being out of hand in such a dismissive way then I suggest you’re dangerously close to rejecting Osho himself.

By: Shantam Prem

Shantam Prem — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:38:19 +0000

Parmartha,
One just needs to look at Indian mind of last few thousand years; the mind which could bear the political slavery for more than 1500 years; meditation was the tranquilliser, it helped to transcend the day-to-day misery.

With the export of meditation to the West, same kind of effects are visible.

I think OSHO´s whole life vision and work is based on this idea: how to create balanced human being. What is otherwise the concept of New Man?

The challenging aspect, how to use meditation as medication is put aside. Quick fix approach which is always masses’ favourite has crept in.

By: Shantam Prem

Shantam Prem — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:44:32 +0000

So it looks like our meditation without any personal coach or teamwork can make us drugged and boisterous.

For centuries it was like this.

By: madhu dagmar frantzen

madhu dagmar frantzen — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:58:40 +0000

That´s true, Satyadeva,
sorry to say – but your conclusion is true (3.20 pm).
I went for a long walk outside – after having read what Shantam had been up to again.

And sometimes I wonder about the moderation issue.

Madhu

MOD: LET US KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN, PLEASE, MADHU, OTHERWISE WE’RE JUST GUESSING.

By: satyadeva

satyadeva — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:20:08 +0000

“Meditation makes people drugged and boisterous.”

One of the most ridiculously foolish, most ill-informed statements that even you have ever made, Shantam.

With ‘friends’ like you, Osho has no need of ‘enemies’.