Five celebs who’ve taken on the Mail
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/09/mail-george-clooney-stephen-fry-ed-miliband-amanda-palmer-lily-allen

Had a conversation with Veeresh at the ashram about the difference between surrender and submission, and in my view those who talked surrender loudest usually meant submit, but I usually ended up with the view that the problem was my attitude.

But many who took sannyas after 1985 knew that the Ranch was a very questionable period, yet still felt the ‘energy’ around Osho in Pune 2, for example, was ‘right’ for them, and took sannyas.

As for those ‘ordinary’ sannyasins like myself, and I guess yourself, who took sannyas in the seventies – yes, it is true that we did not know anything like this was going on at all until after the event. There was always a feeling of dictatorship in the ’81 to ’85 period, but I and many communards always assumed (wrongly, it would seem) that it was a ‘device’.

Appears that Osho still stirs up great controversy – whether positive or negative, it does not matter.

As far as shit-storming goes and Anthony and others
German-bashing etc. etc. and find a quote…
English natives hold the ‘gold-medal-line’ -

And how narrow-minded that is….

Madhu

“Given that for “for a bio-terror attack there is no workaround” (as Anubodh rightly points out) it is a compliment to those who took sannyas after 1985 to plunge ahead, despite such an unavoidable history….”

Very simple, Parmartha, they didn´t know about it; as well as most of those who joined the ‘caravan’ earlier and who sometimes had a pretty hard time even when they tried as best as can be with their intuition that something was going utterly wrong, but could neither find a way to communicate it, nor to hinder what was going on.

The way – decades ago – it comes into discussion is mostly a way not helpful to really dissolve some issues but an ongoing procedure to keep bad vibrations going.

One of the reasons I feel is that the protagonists who committed utter criminal actions don´t participate (like here) – but this is only one reason.

One of the others is the immaturity of presumptions or fantasies and projections about issues which again, very, very few here, and presumably none of us, have knowledge about.

So – kind of shit storms are easily brought on the go
and that helps nothing and nobody, except some proudly presenting themselves as ‘experts’ in terms of ‘spiritual affairs’.

What a pity!

Madhu

Of this particular debate, about the future of the place I once knew as ‘the ashram’, it seems to me rather a sad choice between ‘parties’ with whom I feel little affinity whatever way I look.

The possibility of an Indian-style takeover associating itself to the recently-elected Hindu Nationalists does seem a poor way to continue Osho’s legacy as I knew it.