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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2014 12:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Fresch,

&quot;At the end of the day, people are not so interested what you did, they have their own stuff to think about.&quot;

Agreed, but just be aware of how it&#039;s going here at this website - not to mention social games being played somewhere else.

If all would happen the idealistic ways you presume, world would indeed be very quiet - also on this website.

I didn´t speak of reputation - I did speak of people who are mobbing intentionally.

Nice that you are not harassed that way - and so don´t know how that feels.

So - leave it like that.

Madhu


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Fresch,</p>
<p>&#8220;At the end of the day, people are not so interested what you did, they have their own stuff to think about.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed, but just be aware of how it&#8217;s going here at this website &#8211; not to mention social games being played somewhere else.</p>
<p>If all would happen the idealistic ways you presume, world would indeed be very quiet &#8211; also on this website.</p>
<p>I didn´t speak of reputation &#8211; I did speak of people who are mobbing intentionally.</p>
<p>Nice that you are not harassed that way &#8211; and so don´t know how that feels.</p>
<p>So &#8211; leave it like that.</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: Fresch</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3920#comment-60065</link>
		<dc:creator>Fresch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2014 11:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“I have had to deal for some 15 years with intruders into my private life and private data in a way that puts old encounter groups into the shade of ancient anachronism; a very special challenge to be confronted with ‘blind dates’ with a double-binding character. And more than just sometimes serving retraumatising aims in a way foul players would ‘go for it’...may be yours as well; just appearing in other forms” 

I wonder what you mean by this. Personally, I do not have a reputation to be ruined, it’s ruined already. Even if there was a camera following me day and night, nothing that I am involved with would surprise my family or friends, also because I work in a creative field, I am allowed everything. 

I am sorry if somebody has been mean with you. However, I do not really understand your point here, but I wish all the strength. At the end of the day, people are not so interested what you did, they have their own stuff to think about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I have had to deal for some 15 years with intruders into my private life and private data in a way that puts old encounter groups into the shade of ancient anachronism; a very special challenge to be confronted with ‘blind dates’ with a double-binding character. And more than just sometimes serving retraumatising aims in a way foul players would ‘go for it’&#8230;may be yours as well; just appearing in other forms” </p>
<p>I wonder what you mean by this. Personally, I do not have a reputation to be ruined, it’s ruined already. Even if there was a camera following me day and night, nothing that I am involved with would surprise my family or friends, also because I work in a creative field, I am allowed everything. </p>
<p>I am sorry if somebody has been mean with you. However, I do not really understand your point here, but I wish all the strength. At the end of the day, people are not so interested what you did, they have their own stuff to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3920#comment-60055</link>
		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2014 01:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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I also appreciate, very much so, that Anthony has appeared the way he is appearing, bringing some soberness into virtual waves....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also appreciate, very much so, that Anthony has appeared the way he is appearing, bringing some soberness into virtual waves&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3920#comment-60030</link>
		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 15:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And today I would like to declare something immensely important, because I feel perhaps this helped Sheela and her people to exploit you. I don&#039;t know whether tomorrow I will be here or not, so it is better to do it while I am here and make you free from any other possibility of such a fascist regime.


That is, from today, you are free to use any colour of clothes. If you feel like using red clothes, that is up to you. And this message has to be sent all over the world to all the communes. It will be more beautiful to have all the colours. I had always dreamed of seeing you in all the colours of the rainbow.

Today we claim the rainbow to be our colours.


The second thing: you return your malas - unless you wish otherwise. That is your choice, but it is not a necessity anymore. You return your malas to President Hasya. But if you want to keep it, it is up to you.
The third thing: from now onwards, anybody who wants initiation into Sannyas will not be given a mala and will not be told to change to red clothes -- so we can take over the world more easily!&quot;

Osho.
From Bondage to Freedom
Chapter #12
Chapter title: Today we claim the rainbow
26 September 1985 am in Rajneeshmandir

http://txs.io/GnT]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And today I would like to declare something immensely important, because I feel perhaps this helped Sheela and her people to exploit you. I don&#8217;t know whether tomorrow I will be here or not, so it is better to do it while I am here and make you free from any other possibility of such a fascist regime.</p>
<p>That is, from today, you are free to use any colour of clothes. If you feel like using red clothes, that is up to you. And this message has to be sent all over the world to all the communes. It will be more beautiful to have all the colours. I had always dreamed of seeing you in all the colours of the rainbow.</p>
<p>Today we claim the rainbow to be our colours.</p>
<p>The second thing: you return your malas &#8211; unless you wish otherwise. That is your choice, but it is not a necessity anymore. You return your malas to President Hasya. But if you want to keep it, it is up to you.<br />
The third thing: from now onwards, anybody who wants initiation into Sannyas will not be given a mala and will not be told to change to red clothes &#8212; so we can take over the world more easily!&#8221;</p>
<p>Osho.<br />
From Bondage to Freedom<br />
Chapter #12<br />
Chapter title: Today we claim the rainbow<br />
26 September 1985 am in Rajneeshmandir</p>
<p><a href="http://txs.io/GnT" rel="nofollow">http://txs.io/GnT</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Thompson</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3920#comment-60028</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can help you with this, sir, as I was around at that time. People were given a mala at the initiation ceremony, but were advised to use it at home and only in meditation. So, sometimes you saw new sannyasins with their malas on...as if to show: look, I am a sannyasin now!!

But old sannyasins never used malas, and the new ones soon just used them under their robes, for a while, and then gone.

Look at the videos from Osho´s discourses around &#039;88, &#039;89, no one is using a mala.
 
Yours,
 
Anthony]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can help you with this, sir, as I was around at that time. People were given a mala at the initiation ceremony, but were advised to use it at home and only in meditation. So, sometimes you saw new sannyasins with their malas on&#8230;as if to show: look, I am a sannyasin now!!</p>
<p>But old sannyasins never used malas, and the new ones soon just used them under their robes, for a while, and then gone.</p>
<p>Look at the videos from Osho´s discourses around &#8217;88, &#8217;89, no one is using a mala.</p>
<p>Yours,</p>
<p>Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: Parmartha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parmartha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can someone help me? 
Wasn&#039;t there a time in September, 1985, after Osho&#039;s announcement that orange and malas were no more, that the malas were unavailable? Anyway, Osho was alive then, and if the case, then why is there so much interest in reviving them now?  Maybe that is somehow cultish.

Dhanyam gives (or sells?) malas from Viha, what is his source for them? Arun gives sannyas and a mala, does his outfit make their own? 

Shantam, did people wear malas around the Resort when you were there in the nineties?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone help me?<br />
Wasn&#8217;t there a time in September, 1985, after Osho&#8217;s announcement that orange and malas were no more, that the malas were unavailable? Anyway, Osho was alive then, and if the case, then why is there so much interest in reviving them now?  Maybe that is somehow cultish.</p>
<p>Dhanyam gives (or sells?) malas from Viha, what is his source for them? Arun gives sannyas and a mala, does his outfit make their own? </p>
<p>Shantam, did people wear malas around the Resort when you were there in the nineties?</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Thompson</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3920#comment-60024</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Frank, you´ve got me over-estimated...The rat pack, red chilling - so far so good. The other part - I am afraid aging is taking its toll...But I have got a nice house over the seaside...great sunsets...magnificent views...seagulls and stuff...

Retirement is not all it&#039;s been cracked up to be...
 
Nice to hear from you though...I was asking about you.
 
Yours,
 
Anthony]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Frank, you´ve got me over-estimated&#8230;The rat pack, red chilling &#8211; so far so good. The other part &#8211; I am afraid aging is taking its toll&#8230;But I have got a nice house over the seaside&#8230;great sunsets&#8230;magnificent views&#8230;seagulls and stuff&#8230;</p>
<p>Retirement is not all it&#8217;s been cracked up to be&#8230;</p>
<p>Nice to hear from you though&#8230;I was asking about you.</p>
<p>Yours,</p>
<p>Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yo, Tony!
Whassup?
You still sipping the Chilean red, chilling to the smoochie sounds of the rat pack an&#039; pulling the young(er) chicks with your &quot;horizontal therapy paradigm&quot;?

Nice one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, Tony!<br />
Whassup?<br />
You still sipping the Chilean red, chilling to the smoochie sounds of the rat pack an&#8217; pulling the young(er) chicks with your &#8220;horizontal therapy paradigm&#8221;?</p>
<p>Nice one!</p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3920#comment-60014</link>
		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And yes, this morning, I say hello to you again especially, Fresch, reappearing after a short break -
and with a smile I was reminded of one of your contributions (weeks? ago)...

In this, you &#039;distributed&#039; projects and tasks (devices?) for some of us - including me.
Mine was to get involved with some of the &#039;new media issues&#039;.
I am involved in that anyway, Fresch (like you yourself), but maybe in different roles.

I have had to deal for some 15 years with intruders into my private life and private data in a way that puts old encounter groups into the shade of ancient anachronism; a very special challenge to be confronted with &#039;blind dates&#039; with a double-binding character.
And more than just sometimes serving retraumatising aims in a way foul players would &#039;go for it&#039;. (MOD: THIS ISN&#039;T REALLY CLEAR, MADHU).

I know that I am not the only one to be confronted like that, because technical progress in the IT lounges allows and supports such &#039;happenings&#039;.

So, I have been more than just sceptical about the movie &#039;HER&#039;. My background has been such life-experiences for a long, long while and getting deep insights about my helplessness as well as about tendencies to be corrupted and uprooted and in emotional turmoil.

And - very much ALONE in that, and by that I mean also abandoned by former &#039;friends&#039; -
my biological family also settled and is settling &#039;old accounts&#039; of vengeance as well as greed and other ugly stuff
because from their standpoint it is me who went far astray; and they don&#039;t know a thing besides the yellow press bullshit, and they never wanted to.

That they have in common with the majority, and that´s the way it is and maybe ever was.

Yet there have been times when the &#039;sangha&#039; (also in physically existing ways) has been balancing all that - not only in my &#039;case&#039;, and I would say that was a time when more of that remembrance (mastering meditation) existed in flesh and blood terms instead of virtual performances, which come along as anonymous and are as by-products open to any nuisance. That´s the nature of it and the challenge too.

Such a whole bunch of very exhausting and challenging issues,
so - you picked up rightly, Fresch, what was and is (anyway) happening in me - I would say, these &#039;my&#039; issues are very, very ordinary and may be yours as well;  just appearing in other forms...

I am happy that you appear again here, and so much virtual &#039;life&#039; buzzing in the birds and the bees and the flowers -

Madhu

P.S:
Here it is film-festival time.
I am going to watch in joy also all of the movies which are getting on stage for the KIDS. Today - a rainy day here - I will watch &#039;Doctor Proctors Pupspulver&#039; and I am looking forward to many other pieces of film-makers&#039; art for old and young....


MOD: MADHU, BETTER TO CONTACT PEOPLE PRIVATELY FOR THIS SORT OF OFF-TOPIC STUFF.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yes, this morning, I say hello to you again especially, Fresch, reappearing after a short break -<br />
and with a smile I was reminded of one of your contributions (weeks? ago)&#8230;</p>
<p>In this, you &#8216;distributed&#8217; projects and tasks (devices?) for some of us &#8211; including me.<br />
Mine was to get involved with some of the &#8216;new media issues&#8217;.<br />
I am involved in that anyway, Fresch (like you yourself), but maybe in different roles.</p>
<p>I have had to deal for some 15 years with intruders into my private life and private data in a way that puts old encounter groups into the shade of ancient anachronism; a very special challenge to be confronted with &#8216;blind dates&#8217; with a double-binding character.<br />
And more than just sometimes serving retraumatising aims in a way foul players would &#8216;go for it&#8217;. (MOD: THIS ISN&#8217;T REALLY CLEAR, MADHU).</p>
<p>I know that I am not the only one to be confronted like that, because technical progress in the IT lounges allows and supports such &#8216;happenings&#8217;.</p>
<p>So, I have been more than just sceptical about the movie &#8216;HER&#8217;. My background has been such life-experiences for a long, long while and getting deep insights about my helplessness as well as about tendencies to be corrupted and uprooted and in emotional turmoil.</p>
<p>And &#8211; very much ALONE in that, and by that I mean also abandoned by former &#8216;friends&#8217; -<br />
my biological family also settled and is settling &#8216;old accounts&#8217; of vengeance as well as greed and other ugly stuff<br />
because from their standpoint it is me who went far astray; and they don&#8217;t know a thing besides the yellow press bullshit, and they never wanted to.</p>
<p>That they have in common with the majority, and that´s the way it is and maybe ever was.</p>
<p>Yet there have been times when the &#8216;sangha&#8217; (also in physically existing ways) has been balancing all that &#8211; not only in my &#8216;case&#8217;, and I would say that was a time when more of that remembrance (mastering meditation) existed in flesh and blood terms instead of virtual performances, which come along as anonymous and are as by-products open to any nuisance. That´s the nature of it and the challenge too.</p>
<p>Such a whole bunch of very exhausting and challenging issues,<br />
so &#8211; you picked up rightly, Fresch, what was and is (anyway) happening in me &#8211; I would say, these &#8216;my&#8217; issues are very, very ordinary and may be yours as well;  just appearing in other forms&#8230;</p>
<p>I am happy that you appear again here, and so much virtual &#8216;life&#8217; buzzing in the birds and the bees and the flowers -</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
<p>P.S:<br />
Here it is film-festival time.<br />
I am going to watch in joy also all of the movies which are getting on stage for the KIDS. Today &#8211; a rainy day here &#8211; I will watch &#8216;Doctor Proctors Pupspulver&#8217; and I am looking forward to many other pieces of film-makers&#8217; art for old and young&#8230;.</p>
<p>MOD: MADHU, BETTER TO CONTACT PEOPLE PRIVATELY FOR THIS SORT OF OFF-TOPIC STUFF.  </p>
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		<title>By: Parmartha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parmartha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 06:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The wider picture re all these disputes, both legal and otherwise, is essentially quite simply an egoistic one on all sides:
It is basically, &quot;Who is in Control? I am&quot; (the present incumbents) or, &quot;I would be better than anyone else&quot; (those who want to be). 

But anyone who wants to be &#039;in control&#039; is flawed. The flaws manifest in different ways and in different faces of control, but they represent an &#039;unexamined&#039; inner life.

The need to &#039;examine&#039; one&#039;s own life is the first call of a real sannyas.  In fact, my own motto is:
&#039;Never control anyone, and never be controlled by anyone&#039;. That gives one a real freedom. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wider picture re all these disputes, both legal and otherwise, is essentially quite simply an egoistic one on all sides:<br />
It is basically, &#8220;Who is in Control? I am&#8221; (the present incumbents) or, &#8220;I would be better than anyone else&#8221; (those who want to be). </p>
<p>But anyone who wants to be &#8216;in control&#8217; is flawed. The flaws manifest in different ways and in different faces of control, but they represent an &#8216;unexamined&#8217; inner life.</p>
<p>The need to &#8216;examine&#8217; one&#8217;s own life is the first call of a real sannyas.  In fact, my own motto is:<br />
&#8216;Never control anyone, and never be controlled by anyone&#8217;. That gives one a real freedom. </p>
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