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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3836#comment-59233</link>
		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2014 14:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure they&#039;re very nice people, Madhu. It&#039;s just that they&#039;ve probably all had rather difficult childhoods.

I strongly suggest not to avoid them, but rather deliberately walk near them when you&#039;re outside, slowly, not fast as if to escape...Just be a little courageous, mmm?

But do one thing, mmm?

You know the &#039;Gayatri Mantra&#039;, mmm? Good. Just chant that - and aloud, not just &#039;inside&#039;, so that they will hear you and it - and watch...

Ok, Madhu, mmm?

Goooooodd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re very nice people, Madhu. It&#8217;s just that they&#8217;ve probably all had rather difficult childhoods.</p>
<p>I strongly suggest not to avoid them, but rather deliberately walk near them when you&#8217;re outside, slowly, not fast as if to escape&#8230;Just be a little courageous, mmm?</p>
<p>But do one thing, mmm?</p>
<p>You know the &#8216;Gayatri Mantra&#8217;, mmm? Good. Just chant that &#8211; and aloud, not just &#8216;inside&#8217;, so that they will hear you and it &#8211; and watch&#8230;</p>
<p>Ok, Madhu, mmm?</p>
<p>Goooooodd.</p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3836#comment-59230</link>
		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2014 13:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure enough, Satyadeva
 - to hand it over, absolutely okay.

Just the plea, that you don´t hand it over to the Hell&#039;s Angels, which I came to know from here;
they are just for the weekend starting cleaning their motorcycles,
and are up to anything.

Madhu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure enough, Satyadeva<br />
 &#8211; to hand it over, absolutely okay.</p>
<p>Just the plea, that you don´t hand it over to the Hell&#8217;s Angels, which I came to know from here;<br />
they are just for the weekend starting cleaning their motorcycles,<br />
and are up to anything.</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3836#comment-59229</link>
		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2014 13:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re your second requests, moderators,

No,  neither simply getting on my nerves, nor cheek.

An extreme and not quite fitting example was historically the old Nazis, when after the war was over, they - not to a small amount but a large one - proceeded back to their everyday life in their old professions, some teachers, police officers, jurists, the list is long.
When Eastern Germany fall apart, same was happening.

So, that kind of shock I meant, and if I had been able to write what I wrote and reach you, that kind of exaggeration I as well as you would now have been spared.

So bad as it sometimes seems to appear here to moderators, 
my English is not that bad....
 
 Madhu

MOD: THANK YOU, MADHU, FOR CLARIFYING THIS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re your second requests, moderators,</p>
<p>No,  neither simply getting on my nerves, nor cheek.</p>
<p>An extreme and not quite fitting example was historically the old Nazis, when after the war was over, they &#8211; not to a small amount but a large one &#8211; proceeded back to their everyday life in their old professions, some teachers, police officers, jurists, the list is long.<br />
When Eastern Germany fall apart, same was happening.</p>
<p>So, that kind of shock I meant, and if I had been able to write what I wrote and reach you, that kind of exaggeration I as well as you would now have been spared.</p>
<p>So bad as it sometimes seems to appear here to moderators,<br />
my English is not that bad&#8230;.</p>
<p> Madhu</p>
<p>MOD: THANK YOU, MADHU, FOR CLARIFYING THIS.</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3836#comment-59225</link>
		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2014 13:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No idea, Madhu - tell you what, I&#039;ll include your question with Fresch&#039;s (at the Sri Nabuji topic), ok? The Angels should be able to handle the two all right, it&#039;s only Thursday after all...No guarantees though!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No idea, Madhu &#8211; tell you what, I&#8217;ll include your question with Fresch&#8217;s (at the Sri Nabuji topic), ok? The Angels should be able to handle the two all right, it&#8217;s only Thursday after all&#8230;No guarantees though!</p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3836#comment-59222</link>
		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2014 12:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, moderators, no, not ironic.

Why do I think of &quot;badly drawn boys&quot; just now?

Madhu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, moderators, no, not ironic.</p>
<p>Why do I think of &#8220;badly drawn boys&#8221; just now?</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: lokesh</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3836#comment-59210</link>
		<dc:creator>lokesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2014 07:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Perhaps ‘following your feelings’ isn’t always quite the infallible mantra it was once promoted to be&quot; -
Especially if one feels negative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps ‘following your feelings’ isn’t always quite the infallible mantra it was once promoted to be&#8221; -<br />
Especially if one feels negative.</p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3836#comment-59196</link>
		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2014 19:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes - `treats`, moderators,

and by that I mean what could happen on the Ranch when you went into opposing and questioning stuff, which didn´t feel good at all.
And I am not capable just now, to open up that &#039;closet&#039;. 

(MOD: SO treats IS IRONIC?)
 
I just want to say that I&#039;ve met many sannyasins and sometimes have been really shocked by in what ways they have been able to most creatively re-invent their sannyas-life stories.

For example, those whom I came across at the time as utterly fundamentalist &#039;rule-givers&#039;
and later had the ductus:  ahhh, they knew about the shit 
(that they themselves had been in action thoroughly part of). (MOD: ductus - DO YOU MEAN nerve OR cheek? SOMETHING ELSE?)

That blows the mind, not the way of meditation terminology, but in another way.

And I am glad that I had before sannyas quite a good psychologist´s training, as also I was not a teenie any more.

Sure enough, I let you respond about my posts,
yet staying on my own feet in my life, that isn´t yours, 
knowing that, especially in this virtual caravanserai, I might not have been meeting (or meet) anyone of you personally.


Madhu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; `treats`, moderators,</p>
<p>and by that I mean what could happen on the Ranch when you went into opposing and questioning stuff, which didn´t feel good at all.<br />
And I am not capable just now, to open up that &#8216;closet&#8217;. </p>
<p>(MOD: SO treats IS IRONIC?)</p>
<p>I just want to say that I&#8217;ve met many sannyasins and sometimes have been really shocked by in what ways they have been able to most creatively re-invent their sannyas-life stories.</p>
<p>For example, those whom I came across at the time as utterly fundamentalist &#8216;rule-givers&#8217;<br />
and later had the ductus:  ahhh, they knew about the shit<br />
(that they themselves had been in action thoroughly part of). (MOD: ductus &#8211; DO YOU MEAN nerve OR cheek? SOMETHING ELSE?)</p>
<p>That blows the mind, not the way of meditation terminology, but in another way.</p>
<p>And I am glad that I had before sannyas quite a good psychologist´s training, as also I was not a teenie any more.</p>
<p>Sure enough, I let you respond about my posts,<br />
yet staying on my own feet in my life, that isn´t yours,<br />
knowing that, especially in this virtual caravanserai, I might not have been meeting (or meet) anyone of you personally.</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3836#comment-59193</link>
		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Take away the &#039;image&#039; and he&#039;s just an ordinary guy, Fresch, doing his best like everyone else.

Probably not my cup of chai as a teacher either, but there again, he probably wouldn&#039;t fancy you or me as &#039;pupils&#039;.

(Of course, you, as a female, might be referring to another &#039;agenda&#039; - but I wouldn&#039;t know about that one).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take away the &#8216;image&#8217; and he&#8217;s just an ordinary guy, Fresch, doing his best like everyone else.</p>
<p>Probably not my cup of chai as a teacher either, but there again, he probably wouldn&#8217;t fancy you or me as &#8216;pupils&#8217;.</p>
<p>(Of course, you, as a female, might be referring to another &#8216;agenda&#8217; &#8211; but I wouldn&#8217;t know about that one).</p>
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		<title>By: Fresch</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3836#comment-59189</link>
		<dc:creator>Fresch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2014 17:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there is something in it what Madhu is writing. Also, like Arps put it, Sheela being that wonderful (?). 

He also looks very tense. Not like sannyasins. I would have a morning coffee with him, but not more than that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is something in it what Madhu is writing. Also, like Arps put it, Sheela being that wonderful (?). </p>
<p>He also looks very tense. Not like sannyasins. I would have a morning coffee with him, but not more than that.</p>
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		<title>By: satyadeva</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3836#comment-59188</link>
		<dc:creator>satyadeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2014 17:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So anyone who visited the Oregon Ranch and wasn&#039;t duly impressed is termed &quot;a fraud&quot;?
Surely, they deserve at least some credit for honesty, don&#039;t they?!

But seriously, Madhu, how can you put this buddhist guy in a similar category, especially as he spent EIGHT MONTHS living there? And moreover, speaks so positively about Osho, the place and his general experience?

It seems that, although you speak of your &quot;instinct&quot; (as a sort of inbuilt fraud detector!) this has been &#039;corrupted&#039;, superceded by your allowing past vaguely similar events to influence your response to a different situation, a different sort of person. Unless you haven&#039;t made yourself completely clear here.

Are you, perhaps, responding superficially, ie to how he looks, the &#039;religious&#039; setting, the clothes etc., rather than seeing through all that to the simple fact of the man speaking of his experiences?

If so, then you&#039;re pre-judging him and the situation, and so are yourself coming from a prejudiced, therefore unreliable place.

Perhaps &#039;following your feelings&#039; isn&#039;t always quite the infallible mantra it once once promoted to be....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So anyone who visited the Oregon Ranch and wasn&#8217;t duly impressed is termed &#8220;a fraud&#8221;?<br />
Surely, they deserve at least some credit for honesty, don&#8217;t they?!</p>
<p>But seriously, Madhu, how can you put this buddhist guy in a similar category, especially as he spent EIGHT MONTHS living there? And moreover, speaks so positively about Osho, the place and his general experience?</p>
<p>It seems that, although you speak of your &#8220;instinct&#8221; (as a sort of inbuilt fraud detector!) this has been &#8216;corrupted&#8217;, superceded by your allowing past vaguely similar events to influence your response to a different situation, a different sort of person. Unless you haven&#8217;t made yourself completely clear here.</p>
<p>Are you, perhaps, responding superficially, ie to how he looks, the &#8216;religious&#8217; setting, the clothes etc., rather than seeing through all that to the simple fact of the man speaking of his experiences?</p>
<p>If so, then you&#8217;re pre-judging him and the situation, and so are yourself coming from a prejudiced, therefore unreliable place.</p>
<p>Perhaps &#8216;following your feelings&#8217; isn&#8217;t always quite the infallible mantra it once once promoted to be&#8230;.</p>
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