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		<title>By: Arpana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arpana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 21:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An observation about Paritosh, based on his life Of Osho.

He is so authentic. He comes across in the book as so authentic, real. Without any side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An observation about Paritosh, based on his life Of Osho.</p>
<p>He is so authentic. He comes across in the book as so authentic, real. Without any side.</p>
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		<title>By: Fresch</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3760#comment-59008</link>
		<dc:creator>Fresch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 14:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One more thing I have been thinking about while reading Pari’s book is the &#039;state of normality&#039;. Few years ago when I was still participating in groups in one role or another, I saw therapists making these statement about them being “normal people” like the rest of us meditation cattle. The way they did it was, of course, as some kind of show.  Many of them were claiming this in their books or videos also. It left me like, “what an earth is this?”.  But after reading Pari’s book I understand, therapists and resort managers must be even more &#039;normal&#039; than the rest of us. They make a statement being normal.

My mother, a left-wing activist, told how they were “helping” the workers. Later in life, she was really laughing her head off when telling, “actually they never wanted our help, on the contrary.” And I remember that entire phoney trying - how embarrassing. And yet, nothing else seems to work but somebody being a &#039;role model&#039;, a millionaire and cult leader star. Then people admire and follow.  

Before Pari&#039;s book, I did not realise I was also part of some sociological experiment of Osho, no, I always thought this is a purely personal path. So, we have experience of at least 3 sociological cultures: Indian guru leading a sex cult in India, Indian crazy woman leading communist city in America, Canadian cult leader setting and leading a resort in India. Which one you like? I am sure there are all same kinds of &#039;model places&#039; in the sannyasin world now. To have a 2-week holyday, live in, be part of model community etc.  Or stay in the air, internet. Incredible. He, Osho, seems like a spiritual octopus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing I have been thinking about while reading Pari’s book is the &#8216;state of normality&#8217;. Few years ago when I was still participating in groups in one role or another, I saw therapists making these statement about them being “normal people” like the rest of us meditation cattle. The way they did it was, of course, as some kind of show.  Many of them were claiming this in their books or videos also. It left me like, “what an earth is this?”.  But after reading Pari’s book I understand, therapists and resort managers must be even more &#8216;normal&#8217; than the rest of us. They make a statement being normal.</p>
<p>My mother, a left-wing activist, told how they were “helping” the workers. Later in life, she was really laughing her head off when telling, “actually they never wanted our help, on the contrary.” And I remember that entire phoney trying &#8211; how embarrassing. And yet, nothing else seems to work but somebody being a &#8216;role model&#8217;, a millionaire and cult leader star. Then people admire and follow.  </p>
<p>Before Pari&#8217;s book, I did not realise I was also part of some sociological experiment of Osho, no, I always thought this is a purely personal path. So, we have experience of at least 3 sociological cultures: Indian guru leading a sex cult in India, Indian crazy woman leading communist city in America, Canadian cult leader setting and leading a resort in India. Which one you like? I am sure there are all same kinds of &#8216;model places&#8217; in the sannyasin world now. To have a 2-week holyday, live in, be part of model community etc.  Or stay in the air, internet. Incredible. He, Osho, seems like a spiritual octopus.</p>
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		<title>By: Parmartha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parmartha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2014 13:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand, Shantam, that you are pleased to hope that the Gandhi/Nehru regime is for you hopefully ended. 

After all, in 1984 many Sikhs were massacred by Indira Gandhi in Golden Temple, Amritsar, as I remember, and you are a Sikh.  Also, a few months later, when she was assassinated by her Sikh bodyguards,  for three days Sikhs in Delhi were dragged into the street and killed by mobs. I think upward of 2,500. Terrible business all round.

Nonetheless, Shantam, our Master did have a lot of time for the Gandhis, and no time at all for the BJP!  Morai Desai was hammered mercilessly by Osho in lectures in Pune One when he was Prime Minister...as I clearly recall. Mrs. Gandhi was praised and almost came to the ashram at the time. 

Nationalism is always a form of bullshit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand, Shantam, that you are pleased to hope that the Gandhi/Nehru regime is for you hopefully ended. </p>
<p>After all, in 1984 many Sikhs were massacred by Indira Gandhi in Golden Temple, Amritsar, as I remember, and you are a Sikh.  Also, a few months later, when she was assassinated by her Sikh bodyguards,  for three days Sikhs in Delhi were dragged into the street and killed by mobs. I think upward of 2,500. Terrible business all round.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, Shantam, our Master did have a lot of time for the Gandhis, and no time at all for the BJP!  Morai Desai was hammered mercilessly by Osho in lectures in Pune One when he was Prime Minister&#8230;as I clearly recall. Mrs. Gandhi was praised and almost came to the ashram at the time. </p>
<p>Nationalism is always a form of bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Fresch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fresch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2014 07:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the years I have received many kinds of criticism for my work projects. Now that I have had the opportunity to &#039;give criticism&#039; to other people, I have tried to do it in a different way. 

Normally, people write what is good and what is bad, perhaps some analysis. I wanted to skip that, instead participate with the books and reflect from myself. Of course, I did end up being a bit of a lazy slob, so on the whole I did not get you understand my point. But it was fun. For me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the years I have received many kinds of criticism for my work projects. Now that I have had the opportunity to &#8216;give criticism&#8217; to other people, I have tried to do it in a different way. </p>
<p>Normally, people write what is good and what is bad, perhaps some analysis. I wanted to skip that, instead participate with the books and reflect from myself. Of course, I did end up being a bit of a lazy slob, so on the whole I did not get you understand my point. But it was fun. For me.</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
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		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 17:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nehru Gandhi regime has finally ended in India. Long cherished wish to see the inefficient and egoistic rulers becoming part of history finally can rest.
 
As an Osho devotee and world citizen I have two other small wishes for collective humanity: 
End of cruel boy´s dictatorship in North Korea and management of OSHO Ashram, Pune in the hands of disciples&#039; representatives. 

Let the whole Earth blossom in the shades of democracy and enjoy the fruits of meritocracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nehru Gandhi regime has finally ended in India. Long cherished wish to see the inefficient and egoistic rulers becoming part of history finally can rest.</p>
<p>As an Osho devotee and world citizen I have two other small wishes for collective humanity:<br />
End of cruel boy´s dictatorship in North Korea and management of OSHO Ashram, Pune in the hands of disciples&#8217; representatives. </p>
<p>Let the whole Earth blossom in the shades of democracy and enjoy the fruits of meritocracy.</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
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		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 17:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like Frank is not just a satirist but poet too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Frank is not just a satirist but poet too.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 17:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reminds me of a  Kevin Ayers poem/song -

&#039;Once upon an ocean&#039;
    
Once upon an ocean
We dreamed a ship to sail.
When it started leaking 
We had to learn to bale.

All that mattered was 
Keeping that ship afloat.
But we couldn&#039;t work together 
We became a drunken boat

Captain shouted out, 
Nobody heard him speak.
Everyone rushin&#039;`round going crazy
Trying to find that leak

Waves getting heavier  
We didn&#039;t stand much chance
Then we heard that familiar music
And we just had to dance:

Our ship is sinking but we don&#039;t give a damn 
No no no no no
Our ship is sinking but we don&#039;t give a damn
No no no no no 
Our ship is sinking but we don&#039;t give a damn....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a  Kevin Ayers poem/song -</p>
<p>&#8216;Once upon an ocean&#8217;</p>
<p>Once upon an ocean<br />
We dreamed a ship to sail.<br />
When it started leaking<br />
We had to learn to bale.</p>
<p>All that mattered was<br />
Keeping that ship afloat.<br />
But we couldn&#8217;t work together<br />
We became a drunken boat</p>
<p>Captain shouted out,<br />
Nobody heard him speak.<br />
Everyone rushin&#8217;`round going crazy<br />
Trying to find that leak</p>
<p>Waves getting heavier<br />
We didn&#8217;t stand much chance<br />
Then we heard that familiar music<br />
And we just had to dance:</p>
<p>Our ship is sinking but we don&#8217;t give a damn<br />
No no no no no<br />
Our ship is sinking but we don&#8217;t give a damn<br />
No no no no no<br />
Our ship is sinking but we don&#8217;t give a damn&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: madhu dagmar frantzen</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3760#comment-58955</link>
		<dc:creator>madhu dagmar frantzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 17:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear SN moderators, dear friends,

These days, being enabled to get acquainted with tantric-reading-meals,
enjoying quite so much more than &quot;bits and bytes&quot; by the sharing of Neeten as well as Pari - both of these so alive and delicious.

Why words here-now?

Combining maybe by chance my gratefulness
and I am not only a &#039;slow-food&#039; fan
but also want to share that 
giving a kind of spice to the last ongoing comments of Shantam Prem or Fresch,
which are kind of reading food too but at the moment difficult for me to relate to.

What of it may be &#039;more&#039; contemporary?
I at least cannot say,
but the &#039;meals&#039; surely make a lot of difference for soul, body and spirit.

Giving my best &quot;sincerelys&quot; to you, friends -
and my gratefulness too.

Madhu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear SN moderators, dear friends,</p>
<p>These days, being enabled to get acquainted with tantric-reading-meals,<br />
enjoying quite so much more than &#8220;bits and bytes&#8221; by the sharing of Neeten as well as Pari &#8211; both of these so alive and delicious.</p>
<p>Why words here-now?</p>
<p>Combining maybe by chance my gratefulness<br />
and I am not only a &#8216;slow-food&#8217; fan<br />
but also want to share that<br />
giving a kind of spice to the last ongoing comments of Shantam Prem or Fresch,<br />
which are kind of reading food too but at the moment difficult for me to relate to.</p>
<p>What of it may be &#8216;more&#8217; contemporary?<br />
I at least cannot say,<br />
but the &#8216;meals&#8217; surely make a lot of difference for soul, body and spirit.</p>
<p>Giving my best &#8220;sincerelys&#8221; to you, friends -<br />
and my gratefulness too.</p>
<p>Madhu</p>
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		<title>By: lokesh</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3760#comment-58953</link>
		<dc:creator>lokesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 16:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A prime example of a sannyasin satellite without a centre.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A prime example of a sannyasin satellite without a centre.</p>
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		<title>By: shantam prem</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/3760#comment-58952</link>
		<dc:creator>shantam prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 15:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It’s as if the only way is away from the sannyas way.&quot;

Fresch, the above sentence of yours summarises the whole thing. Sannyas is a sinking boat. Blame goes only and only to human errors. Arrogance of meditation is much more than idiotic. It is outlandish!

There are a few crazy people who prefer to sink with it during rescue and repairing process.

Few people crave to be martyrs. (Maybe I am one of them).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s as if the only way is away from the sannyas way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fresch, the above sentence of yours summarises the whole thing. Sannyas is a sinking boat. Blame goes only and only to human errors. Arrogance of meditation is much more than idiotic. It is outlandish!</p>
<p>There are a few crazy people who prefer to sink with it during rescue and repairing process.</p>
<p>Few people crave to be martyrs. (Maybe I am one of them).</p>
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