However, these kinds of ‘coincidences’ are familiar to us all. Some call it ‘being in the flow’ or ‘energy happening’, intuition etc. But she gives impression interpreting all as ‘Osho making miracles’ – in a way true, but at the same time she does not really own it. Or making herself typically the most modest devotee ever.

It sounds a bit like ‘Me and My Osho’ (= me and my cat). If she had told some other similar kind of happenings in her life – as part of HER own process, not just being the nun of Osho, it would have made it more grounded and authentic, also perhaps easier to relate to for a reader.

I was also interested to see Waduda in the interview – one of my sannyas friends witnessed her delivering a back-hand slosh across the face to one of her seemingly resistant participants in a group in Italy a few years ago. So her appearance did not add any weight to promoting the cause of Devageet’s book, I’m afraid.

I sense you are using a trained masculine mind…

“Men for centuries have developed the thinking capacity of the mind and being men, they have developed a masculine mind. In many parts of the world girls still dont go to school.
Feminine education of the mind never happened in our culture.
Mind can be a very beautiful thing, it can be a helpful tool to live in the world but seems to undermine women.
Masculine mind thinks linearly and masculine consciousness is quite focused.
Feminine consciousness is relational..is nature focused?
Feminine consciousness it feels all different patterns of relationship and how they work together, it is not linear.
Women can be attuned to the magic of creation but have inherited this masculine mind which dismisses their own feminine understanding…”

“And I also have been wondering with all the book’s ”miracles” if they might actually be hers, Indian romantic and perhaps not so accurate, or at least exaggerated versions.”

Fresch, I can’t speak for Jyoti’s writings but I didn’t feel surprised at all…normal
happenings…our minds are
very censored.

Once I was looking after some garden festival…early morning before anybody arrived and a fairy just moved in front of my eyes…by the way I wasn’t on drugs!

One forgets there is an inner world and on a meditation path one can be attuned to many wonders….

Good puritans are into suffering and martyrdom.
A good puritan wouldn’t have used nitrous oxide and oxygen to relieve his pain, but Osho has always exhorted us to use modern technology, says choose comfort over discomfort. He’s not a puritan.

Would anyone question his use of antibiotics?
A great chair to relieve back pain? (Technology that we take for granted.)

Why shouldn’t he relieve his pain and physical discomfort using modern technology, methods?

Doesn’t seem at all inconsistent to me.

A Master, I think you will agree has to attract and repel. He has to throw his net wide and catch many fish. Then they have to be sifted, and those who he feels don’t have the potential have to be dropped.

As another Master said: “Many are called, but few are chosen.”

And then the problem how to drop them – offending their religion, or exposing their puritanism, and many more…some call these necessary strategies, “devices”.

Aah, river of life these hours since posting this morning – quite spring-like…

But if I wait too long
no answer will come, I feel
so:
I wanted to express that the few times I bowed down (metaphor for what I might call the original surrender)
it was a happening and I was awake AND was lost as well and in awe – all of it -
which somehow gives a seemingly lifelong measure, an inner standard for the
r e a l and vice versa – the ‘false’ thing of a gesture or some ritualized habitude.

You never forget it when that has happened and in a way it’s also haunting you,
gives an imprint to your soul if you allow me that kind of romantic expression
which falls short like any other word or words -

So surrender this way has NOTHING to do with making yourself small,
neither with making yourself big – or ‘spiritually special’ – on the contrary…

It’s just beyond these categories – all categories

It’s not even bliss or something in this direction

Tt’s very sober and very drunk too.

I could go on and on and on
but I’d like to spare you as I have come to know (!) of some of the buddies’ here allergies…

But anyway, I love poetry – that’s for sure -
because it’s like music,
it sometimes comes close to what you simply love to express, also in words helpless…
So – another one (?)
it’s like that song title of Bobby I posted a few days or more ago
(he knows about ‘surrender’ too -

“When Eternity Penetrates Time”.

Quite a precise answer too, isn’t it?
From the many verbal roundabouts…from myself as from other fellow-travellers.

Love to you all
and love to the ‘moderation’ happening.

Madhu

If I have understood you rightly you yesterday posted that “the dentist’s chair” still has been quite two decades or more on the same spot,
interpreting that as
‘showing up a device from Osho’.

As far as ‘devices’ are concerned,
I remember throughout the decades UTTER MISUSE HABITS
of many of us amongst each other or as a kind of hypnotising ourselves and/or others – in various ways

and I would like to say

most of the times we know nothing or knew nothing.

Exceptional those very few devices we have been given face- to-face –
and even then
it is always connected with our capacity and stages of consciousness and understanding
and as well connected with our being grounded.
That also was a reminder from Osho when He talked about misunderstandings…

You then also mentioned Him saying, ‘then and there with this and that He has been having had the intention to get rid of the so and so’s.’
I also have heard that,
not so often but as a listener – I surely have heard that
and then always went inside to LOOK at what this again was triggering.

(Ooohhhh, that’s a thread inside of its own…and a long one – and I don’t want to go into that quite now).

Old, old stories.

What I experienced though – as a sannyasin and life-participant, so to say,
is also that opposing blackmail always has its cost
as well as the effort of going inside to find the source of SURRENDER what is original
and is a never-ending task. (MOD: PLEASE EXAPLAIN THIS, MADHU, IT’S NOT CLEAR WHAT YOU MEAN).

Moment to moment
also NOW-HERE for sure.

With the invitation to ‘sannyas’ I felt and feel invited to go the way a tightrope walker is going
to learn about the ART of bowing down without being forced (or blackmailed).
My experience is that in these rare moments bowing down simply HAPPENS.

That’s truly a piece of art, this ever ongoing search inside-outside.
I felt and feel invited to honour dignity instead of obedience
or getting stuck in a rebellious pattern – instead.

So many trial and errors I remember – so many
failures, but also the dignity of saying NO sometimes.

And I paid a lot I can say for the latter.
Also in the what we may call ‘sannyas realms’…the day before yesterday…yesterday…today…(?)and maybe tomorrow…(?).

There is no guarantee in any move – never (for bliss and reward or being ‘loved’, for example).

And there is so much love and gratitude for a Master like this
who encouraged me
for a path totally INSECURE.

Love – to you and to other fellow-travellers.

Madhu
– insecure and alive…here – and now the button to post…
sitting writing into the unknown….

It’s titled by the graphic designer, “Truth Beckons” and also with a ‘name’, “Rajnish”, as far as I see it right.

In the middle, the digital native graphic designer (for a Facebook address, you also know ??) has compiled “OSHO”.

What my eyes see is
that a bunch of humans form as a group the symbol of
an empty heart
and without all that advertising that looks for me very beautiful and touching
though very intimate also as it is done in a probably ‘safe room’ and not on the streets of nowadays…

Then I read all or some of your mind interpretations, as well as accusing some unknown group leader and so on, so forth.

Well – nowadays, trillions of photos are shot any instant –
or even totally compiled on the computer and we rarely know the background of it or if people have been agreeing to get ‘into the world’ like this -
we often don’t know the time (of fabrication) – nor the place -nor the circumstances of the shooting – ever so often not even if the material as such is totally compiled in an office.
But we come to know lots of interpretations – lots and lots of…isn’t it ?

The latter shows mostly more of the interpreter’s mind or life – than of the mind or lives of the so exposed.

That a connected group as such form a -HEART- is for me a matter of fact.
If you sit in meditation with a bunch of people it’s sometimes miraculously sensitive.
That’s the power of what we sometimes call “buddhafield”.

Also well known is
how and when this beautiful longing to connect has been or is misused.

Seeing the foot you posted
I just loved the symbol of the ‘empty heart’ I saw in it.

And to talk about “misuse” I would need to habe more information about the compiler and/or the Facebook address where it’s coming from.

I see nothing wrong to BOW down to ‘THE EMPTY HEART’.

Yet
I felt / feel that’s something very intimate,
also momentary, in a way precious, and by that I mean maybe more protection to mind games of onlookers is needed as it is given?

And ?

Thank you for posting.

Madhu