Comments on: New Locks and Old Keys – Osho

By: bodhi vartan

bodhi vartan — Wed, 12 Mar 2014 23:49:10 +0000

It sounds complicated. Are you sure about all that?

By: Upnita

Upnita — Wed, 12 Mar 2014 11:48:29 +0000

Vartan,
Lol…
“Shivaic Tantrism of Kashmir is transmitted mostly by masters who are married.
Certain lineages are transmitted only through women.
Yoginis and yogi masters live more isolated and teach one by one.
In Shivaic Tantrism,Shiva and Shakti are the inseparable divine couple, gods of ecstatic dance and the creators of the yoga that allows adepts to rediscover the divine at the root of their own minds by opening the heart.
(In the West, we usually move about in a universe based on duality: In the beginning, “God separated the light from the darkness”(Genesis).)
Tantrism is non-dualistic. It considers the mind to be fundamentally illuminated.
The widespread image that reduces Tantrism to vague sexual techniques meant to liberate their practitioners, under the guise of spirituality, has nothing to do with Shivaism.
Tantrism is a way of total love, which leads to the freedom to be.
The Great Yoga – that is to drink, to eat, to touch, to see, to walk, to sleep, to urinate, to defecate, to listen, to remain silent, to speak, to dream, to love, to sit, to cross the street, to get on a bus, to travel, through town, beauty and ugliness without ever being separated from the divine, which in itself is in the self.
No type of yoga is better than that which isnt afraid of immersion in reality. Outside that reality, there is not a single trace of the absolute.”
Extracts from a diary of an initiation by a Yogini.
Thank you, Vartan for challenging and inspiring me.
Love
Upnita
Art: Unknown artist

By: bodhi vartan

bodhi vartan — Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:02:39 +0000

>> “I am a Priest, and I want to marry.”

The only people who want to get married these days are gays and priests… the world has gone topsy curvy.

By: Upnita

Upnita — Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:38:59 +0000

Thanks for your reply Parmartha ….
Life is dangerous and it is not that we are going to get out of It alive…

Meanwhile 2 poems by James Kavanaugh -
The priest who wrote an article in 1967 Saturday Evening Post, entitled, “I am a Priest, and I want to marry.” The article questioned the practice of celibacy among priests. The year was 1967, the height of the sexual revolution…..

“I played God today
And it was fun!
I made animals that men had never seen
So they would stop and scratch their heads
Instead of scowling.
I made words that men had never heard
So they would stop and stare at me
Instead of running.
And I made love that laughed
So men would giggle like children
Instead of sighing.
Tomorrow, perhaps, I won’t be God
And you will know it
Because you won’t see any three-headed cats
Or bushes with bells on…
I wish I could always play God
So that lonely men could laugh!”
― James Kavanaugh, “There Are Men Too Gentle to Live Among Wolves”

There are men too gentle to live among wolves
Who devour them wth eager appetite and search
for other men to prey upon and suck their childhood dry.

There are men too gentle for an accountant’s world
Who dream instead of Easter eggs and fragant grass
And search for beauty in the mystery of sky.
― James Kavanaugh, “There Are Men Too Gentle to Live Among Wolves”

Tarot Key – King of Cups – “The Father of Water is like the deuterium atom floating in the water molecule. Deuterium is an important fuel.One pound of deuterium can produce 40 million Kilowatt-hours of electricity, and then there is enought deuterium in the Earth’ocean to last for billions of years, but, alas, there is only one atom of deuterium for every 5,000 atoms of ordinary hydrogen in water. It is a tremendous task to separate the fuel from the medium in which floats.”
The Fuel is there, the Spark of electric energy which holds the power of transmutation…
In knowing and speaking the Truth, we are freed from the drowning under the weight of social structures…we must follow our own song!
In stillness there is the spark of creativity and we discover power and energy. The Father of Water is the spirit of feeling..rides the cosmic sea which is rough and full of mystery…but when tired he lets the water carry him..

By: Arpana

Arpana — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 16:59:54 +0000

And for those who work on themselves, dealing with people with sannyas names who don’t , is part of the journey, and maybe those who don’t work on themselves will get provoked into doing so.

By: Arpana

Arpana — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 16:57:53 +0000

I have wondered if he did not call the many to him, and continues to do so, to ensure he gets those who will work on themselves.

If you accept the notion he is about getting us to move, maybe Sheela was a bigger, more mature individual when it was over, than she was when she started. ( Pure speculation obviously. )

By: Parmartha

Parmartha — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 16:54:39 +0000

Thanks Lokesh.
Forgetting the more esoteric lines of argument, like Judas was part of some divine plot, etc I myself cannot see anything that would reverse my view.
Judas hung himself from a tree within a few days of betraying Jesus, and that was a failure of all the time he must have spent with his master. Remember Jesus actually choose the twelve, out of a much greater number – those who he wanted around him for most of his ministry. His judgement of character could surely be questioned, which is the underlying point I want to get at.
Gurdjieff was actually on record as saying he had failed with people like Ouspensky and Orage, in fact that he had overestimated them. Though I have not studied all the literature I know that Osho felt disappointed according to Shunyo when she spoke to him in Kathmandu after the denouement of the Ranch, and blamed himself for poor or hurried judgement of character.
In Rumi’s case his leading person Shams was almost certainly murdered by Rumi’s other disciples…. out of jealousy…
These seem plain facts which cannot be argued away…

By: Parmartha

Parmartha — Sun, 09 Mar 2014 16:44:06 +0000

Good quote Arps.
Especially as it were it is Osho quoting Buddha. I cant believe these guys did not think about who they were attracting more than it seems. Certainly the Buddha here gives fuller public consideration to it than I have seen elsewhere.

By: Arpana

Arpana — Sat, 08 Mar 2014 22:36:45 +0000

Parmartha’s remarks reminded me of the phrase, ‘So many start, but very few remain. ‘

I’m sure I’ve read somewhere, possibly not from Osho.

One in a million steps into the stream.
One in a million stays in the stream.
One in a million starts to move up the stream,
and only one in a million reaches the source of the
stream.

By: Lokesh

Lokesh — Sat, 08 Mar 2014 22:28:48 +0000

Arps, that’s a good quote, altough I am uncertain why you decided to post it at this juncture.