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		<title>By: kranti</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[osho.com server is up..accessible..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>osho.com server is up..accessible..</p>
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		<title>By: Kranti</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/341#comment-3419</link>
		<dc:creator>Kranti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure Garimo. Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure Garimo. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: garimo</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/341#comment-3416</link>
		<dc:creator>garimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Just read some wikipedia stuff relating to Buddhism and its sects&quot;

Kranti,
It might ease your mind some if when at wikipedia you also check out trademarks and common law usage in commerce. There&#039;s a great deal of information.
-g]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just read some wikipedia stuff relating to Buddhism and its sects&#8221;</p>
<p>Kranti,<br />
It might ease your mind some if when at wikipedia you also check out trademarks and common law usage in commerce. There&#8217;s a great deal of information.<br />
-g</p>
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		<title>By: Kranti</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/341#comment-3413</link>
		<dc:creator>Kranti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the greatest work for sannyasins is to keep the message pure, unpolluted by you or by others—and
wait. 

&quot;  by others &#039; - This is where Osho is asking us to use Trademark &amp; Copyrights.. ( take it easy again ..)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the greatest work for sannyasins is to keep the message pure, unpolluted by you or by others—and<br />
wait. </p>
<p>&#8221;  by others &#8216; &#8211; This is where Osho is asking us to use Trademark &amp; Copyrights.. ( take it easy again ..)</p>
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		<title>By: Kranti</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/341#comment-3412</link>
		<dc:creator>Kranti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; So the greatest work for sannyasins is to keep the message pure, unpolluted by you or by others—and
wait. &quot;

Awesome Alok.. Never imagined Osho will join the sannyasnews forum in support of Trademarks and Copyrights ( take it easy guys ..)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; So the greatest work for sannyasins is to keep the message pure, unpolluted by you or by others—and<br />
wait. &#8221;</p>
<p>Awesome Alok.. Never imagined Osho will join the sannyasnews forum in support of Trademarks and Copyrights ( take it easy guys ..)</p>
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		<title>By: Kranti</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/341#comment-3411</link>
		<dc:creator>Kranti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just read some wikipedia stuff relating to Buddhism and its sects and belief systems.. seems to be sheer madness..nothing SEEMS to be related to Buddha..

The essensce of Buddhism seems to be lost because there was no way or method to keep it undiluted.. not because it was not neccessary . 

So people talking in favour of Trademark and copyrights are able to quote examples of real time misuse and how we can prevent it.  Everyone accepts that we have seen major misuse of Osho&#039;s name and efforts had to be taken to stop such misuse..

But people talking against Trademarks &amp; Copyrights keep saying it is NOT NEEDED .If we can talk about Why Trademark SHOULD NOT be used and how it will negatively impact free flow of Osho&#039;s vision then that will certainly make sense and will help everyone to come to same understanding , rather keep saying there is No NEED, Existence will take care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read some wikipedia stuff relating to Buddhism and its sects and belief systems.. seems to be sheer madness..nothing SEEMS to be related to Buddha..</p>
<p>The essensce of Buddhism seems to be lost because there was no way or method to keep it undiluted.. not because it was not neccessary . </p>
<p>So people talking in favour of Trademark and copyrights are able to quote examples of real time misuse and how we can prevent it.  Everyone accepts that we have seen major misuse of Osho&#8217;s name and efforts had to be taken to stop such misuse..</p>
<p>But people talking against Trademarks &amp; Copyrights keep saying it is NOT NEEDED .If we can talk about Why Trademark SHOULD NOT be used and how it will negatively impact free flow of Osho&#8217;s vision then that will certainly make sense and will help everyone to come to same understanding , rather keep saying there is No NEED, Existence will take care.</p>
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		<title>By: Alok john</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/341#comment-3410</link>
		<dc:creator>Alok john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Swami wrote &quot;Osho is a fringe spiritual teacher who aslo comes with a fair bit of negative baggage. &quot;

He may be fringe now in the West (less so in  the East),  but his discourses and meditation techniques make every other &quot;teacher&quot; look  like pygmies.    It is just a matter of waiting for the world to catch up with him.


&quot;You are asking if I can speak, can bring my message to the people in such a way that it becomes more
acceptable, that it becomes more usual. It cannot become—at least, as long as I am alive, it cannot
become usual. You have so many usual doctrines, usual religions, usual ideologies. My approach is
going to remain unusual, because the usual approaches have all failed. Something unusual has to be tried.
I know you love me and you want my message to reach people, but your love is blind. You don&#039;t see the
implications of what you are saying. You are saying, &quot;Can&#039;t your message be more acceptable?&quot; That
means I will have to compromise. I will have to think of the blind people all around me and adjust to
their ideas. It is betraying the truth. Every compromise is a betrayal.
My message will remain universal even if I am the only person who trusts in it, because its universality
does not mean numbers of followers. Its universality means that it is the foundational doctrine of
existence. And I cannot conceive how it can be more acceptable.
The only way is to knock on as many doors as possible, to shout from rooftops hoping that somebody
may not be deaf, somebody may not be blind. But I cannot compromise on any point, because it is not a
business.
Who am I to compromise on behalf of truth? And a truth compromised becomes untruth. A truth is
absolutely uncompromising.
But that has been always the case. All the masters in the past had to face it. They are always ahead of
their time. It seems to be something in the very nature of life, that the people who are going to be
decisive about human consciousness will always come ahead of their time—because it takes one hundred
years, two hundred years for people to understand them. If they come in their own time, then by the time
people have understood them, they will be out of date. They have to be ahead of their time so that by the
time human mind, human consciousness reaches the point where they can be understood, their message
will be available.
So the greatest work for sannyasins is to keep the message pure, unpolluted by you or by others—and
wait.
The future is bound to be more receptive, more welcoming. We may not be here but we can manage to
change the consciousness for centuries to come.
And my interest is not only in this humanity; my interest is in humanity as such.
Keep the message pure, twenty-four carat gold. And soon those people will be coming for whom you
have made a temple—although it is sad when you are making the temple; nobody comes. And when
people start coming, you will not be here. But one has to understand one thing: we are part of a flowing
river of consciousness.
You may not be here in this form, you may be here in another form, but keep it in mind never to ask such
a question that I should be more acceptable, more respectable, more in agreement with the masses. I
cannot be.
And it is not stubbornness on my part. It is just that truth cannot compromise. It has never done it; it
would be the greatest sin.&quot; sermon in stones12]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swami wrote &#8220;Osho is a fringe spiritual teacher who aslo comes with a fair bit of negative baggage. &#8221;</p>
<p>He may be fringe now in the West (less so in  the East),  but his discourses and meditation techniques make every other &#8220;teacher&#8221; look  like pygmies.    It is just a matter of waiting for the world to catch up with him.</p>
<p>&#8220;You are asking if I can speak, can bring my message to the people in such a way that it becomes more<br />
acceptable, that it becomes more usual. It cannot become—at least, as long as I am alive, it cannot<br />
become usual. You have so many usual doctrines, usual religions, usual ideologies. My approach is<br />
going to remain unusual, because the usual approaches have all failed. Something unusual has to be tried.<br />
I know you love me and you want my message to reach people, but your love is blind. You don&#8217;t see the<br />
implications of what you are saying. You are saying, &#8220;Can&#8217;t your message be more acceptable?&#8221; That<br />
means I will have to compromise. I will have to think of the blind people all around me and adjust to<br />
their ideas. It is betraying the truth. Every compromise is a betrayal.<br />
My message will remain universal even if I am the only person who trusts in it, because its universality<br />
does not mean numbers of followers. Its universality means that it is the foundational doctrine of<br />
existence. And I cannot conceive how it can be more acceptable.<br />
The only way is to knock on as many doors as possible, to shout from rooftops hoping that somebody<br />
may not be deaf, somebody may not be blind. But I cannot compromise on any point, because it is not a<br />
business.<br />
Who am I to compromise on behalf of truth? And a truth compromised becomes untruth. A truth is<br />
absolutely uncompromising.<br />
But that has been always the case. All the masters in the past had to face it. They are always ahead of<br />
their time. It seems to be something in the very nature of life, that the people who are going to be<br />
decisive about human consciousness will always come ahead of their time—because it takes one hundred<br />
years, two hundred years for people to understand them. If they come in their own time, then by the time<br />
people have understood them, they will be out of date. They have to be ahead of their time so that by the<br />
time human mind, human consciousness reaches the point where they can be understood, their message<br />
will be available.<br />
So the greatest work for sannyasins is to keep the message pure, unpolluted by you or by others—and<br />
wait.<br />
The future is bound to be more receptive, more welcoming. We may not be here but we can manage to<br />
change the consciousness for centuries to come.<br />
And my interest is not only in this humanity; my interest is in humanity as such.<br />
Keep the message pure, twenty-four carat gold. And soon those people will be coming for whom you<br />
have made a temple—although it is sad when you are making the temple; nobody comes. And when<br />
people start coming, you will not be here. But one has to understand one thing: we are part of a flowing<br />
river of consciousness.<br />
You may not be here in this form, you may be here in another form, but keep it in mind never to ask such<br />
a question that I should be more acceptable, more respectable, more in agreement with the masses. I<br />
cannot be.<br />
And it is not stubbornness on my part. It is just that truth cannot compromise. It has never done it; it<br />
would be the greatest sin.&#8221; sermon in stones12</p>
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		<title>By: swami</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/341#comment-3409</link>
		<dc:creator>swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was actually nothing more than a failed attempt at total control by a few people who have got overly attached to the phyisical assets and who are actually powerless and stand staring as the grains of sand disapear between their  fingers.
I feel the best thing to do for Osho, is to throw him to the free wind. Realese the copyrights to his books and videos and talks, everything. Allow anyone to copy them or distribute them without alteration. Ah this Osho.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was actually nothing more than a failed attempt at total control by a few people who have got overly attached to the phyisical assets and who are actually powerless and stand staring as the grains of sand disapear between their  fingers.<br />
I feel the best thing to do for Osho, is to throw him to the free wind. Realese the copyrights to his books and videos and talks, everything. Allow anyone to copy them or distribute them without alteration. Ah this Osho.</p>
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		<title>By: swami</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/341#comment-3408</link>
		<dc:creator>swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I for one am glad this foolishness is over, Alok john, Osho has enough trouble promoting himself with the out additional work of toilet seats and brothels. Osho is a fringe spiritual teacher who aslo comes with a fair bit of negative baggage. Any fear over this trademark loss are unfounded, imagine you make a metitation event and call it the oshotruemeditation..you will get hours of hard work and almost no one turn up..haha. forget about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one am glad this foolishness is over, Alok john, Osho has enough trouble promoting himself with the out additional work of toilet seats and brothels. Osho is a fringe spiritual teacher who aslo comes with a fair bit of negative baggage. Any fear over this trademark loss are unfounded, imagine you make a metitation event and call it the oshotruemeditation..you will get hours of hard work and almost no one turn up..haha. forget about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alok john</title>
		<link>http://sannyasnews.org/now/archives/341#comment-3406</link>
		<dc:creator>Alok john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keerti wrote :
Without this trademarks thing in India, when a couples of years back we came to know that somebody was making toilet seats with Osho’s name, and Osho sewing machines, we got all that stopped.... As such Osho did not mind his name being used without his permission or the permission from any Organisation, read my earlier letter. Somebody started Osho ceremica in 1997, and he was not a sannyasins. Osho was happy to know it basically encouraged this.
There’s no need of unnecessary paranoia about misuse.&quot;

Have you lived in the West, keerti?  How do you know that fears of misuse are paranoia?  Just because you can stop people making Osho toliet seats in India does not mean you can do this world wide.   Here in London we have a psychopathic teacher called &quot;Oshana&quot;.   Why do you think he chose the name Oshana?  Anything is possible in the West. Westerners do not have the moral constraints you have in India.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keerti wrote :<br />
Without this trademarks thing in India, when a couples of years back we came to know that somebody was making toilet seats with Osho’s name, and Osho sewing machines, we got all that stopped&#8230;. As such Osho did not mind his name being used without his permission or the permission from any Organisation, read my earlier letter. Somebody started Osho ceremica in 1997, and he was not a sannyasins. Osho was happy to know it basically encouraged this.<br />
There’s no need of unnecessary paranoia about misuse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have you lived in the West, keerti?  How do you know that fears of misuse are paranoia?  Just because you can stop people making Osho toliet seats in India does not mean you can do this world wide.   Here in London we have a psychopathic teacher called &#8220;Oshana&#8221;.   Why do you think he chose the name Oshana?  Anything is possible in the West. Westerners do not have the moral constraints you have in India.</p>
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