Comments on: “Banned Forever” by Satya Priya

By: prem manish

prem manish — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:18:38 +0000

Hi firends,
Communs are made and disract around a master. It is a part of outside system. So we need not to think that it should be going to work as it would be in oshos time.

By: kranti

kranti — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:41:55 +0000

” todays seekers are against the mind ”

Very true..But that is part of the journey

To start with we are too much identified with our mind..

Then we think mind is rootcause of all problems and try to disidentify from it

Then we understand mind is mind like any other part of your body ..so you let it be and be indifferent

So you start moving into a realm of beyond / Body mind’ gradually..

Upto this i can say as i have experienced ..Beyond that i dont know anything

By: kranti

kranti — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:38:24 +0000

I agree totally on your last point..

You dont have drop out of posting for that..I dont think anyone has misunderstood to the extent you think.. Sometimes we all go by first impression and slowly change..

But mind is not that easy..We dont claim that we are beyond mind or agansit mind and all.. We are sharpening ourselves along the way..

One person i know used to tell” We are all Fish out of water Everyone struggling in different degress..thats all “

By: james morrison

james morrison — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:20:11 +0000

Dear kranti,
thank you for your comments but I will no longer be posting as I realise how meaningless it is posting (from the point of view of being completely misunderstood).
The mind likes to argue and have something to talk about/against.
As someone pointed out to me, todays seekers are against the mind in the same way people were against the body a few hundred years ago.
I’m not justifying anything, just trying to have fun talking but on this forum it is impossible.
drop all ideals/ideas
to think you need to relax or be spiritual or osho is right or even there is enlightenment is mind.
As milarepa says there is no attainment, no buddha, no meditation, no meditator and no nirvana.
If you can understand how ‘when I’m hungry I eat and when I’m tired I go to sleep’ contains all the teachings of all the masters then you know where I’m coming from.
love

By: kranti

kranti — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:23:27 +0000

I am not making a judgement here..But when you say ” It opened me up, I just love, love, love when I drink ”

Then i feel like asking ( with due respect though ) ” what are you doing infront of Osho when you are in such love with drinking ? ”

It is very surprising that you always talk against blind belief even if it is Osho.. now you are finding support for your drinking by quoting about drunken masters.. You see what i mean.. This is what mind is..

By: kranti

kranti — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:19:31 +0000

James.. Mind is Mind.. Otherwiese you and me will not be listening to Osho to understand how to go beyond Mind or to attain No Mind ..

And when i talked about drinks i certainly didnt talk from the view point of morality.. it was from the viewpoint of need for using chemicals for relaxation..especially when meditation is available..

By: james morrison

james morrison — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:12:25 +0000

Dear chetna
fantastic, hammered by the master into shape! ha ha
wonderful.
Dear kranti, what’s wrong with the mind?
It served osho so beautifully.
Your experience is beautiful but it is your experience.
Trust is beautiful, but for me there is no need for it to have a direction.
My experience was just the opposite! I never used to like alcohol and I spent years meditating after sometime I found I loved drinking when I tried it again.
It opened me up, I just love, love, love when I drink, on the contray to your experience I become sharper and my senses are heightened.
There have been many drunken masters.
All I’m saying is there are no fixed rules or morality.
thank you for your comments and love

By: kranti

kranti — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:51:37 +0000

James..I respect your question.. But it comes from your mind again..

Chetna has beautifully described it..” After 6 months of Dynamic I cannot drink anymore! I simply cannot. ”

I didnt try Dynamic for 6 months. But i practiced awareness and mindfulness for 15 years..

Now Everytime i drink it is such a tragedy.. There is such a conflict between one part of me trying to be very aware and the chemical trying to have its effect..

( Man! you must see me when i am drunk.. I am such a wreck instead of the typical guy who dances after drinking.. i just cannot enjoy drinking anymore except for the occasional glass of beer which i take for its taste not for getting high )

I also understood the alchohol never gives you beautiful silence..It just makes you dull and unaware of everything..

Once we understand the difference between Postive silence which comes out of Awareness and negative unaware dullness of senses which is given by alchohol what will you choose?

And when you have tasted awareness and silence , you naturally become greatful to Osho for showing that path.. And it is also very natural for me to trust that Osho will be in 24 / 7 bliss. Not because He says it..But because he has given me the taste of silent heart in which He lives..

By: Chetna

Chetna — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:05:50 +0000

Good points James. I also think sometimes what a hell am I following and why?

About drinking: I think Osho is wonderful. I took his advice in doing dynamic everyday. I never heard him saying do not drink or smoke etc, but I hear him saying meditate! Hence, I started meditating daily. After 6 months of Dynamic I cannot drink anymore! I simply cannot. The body rejects it. Sometimes I would try an expensive French wine or a beer I loved-nothing goes down well. The body rejects it-full stop. Hence, I am not even trying anymore.

Now, the doctors told me to eat meat due to health reasons. Again I stopped all meat and fish when started meditating. I cannot! I have tried many times and get poisoned each time! 50 gr of meat make me ill, absolutely ill.

What is it?

I think the body has its own language which I never heard before. Meditation makes one very sensitive….

Hence, my comment to you earlier about love and friendliness arising out of meditation.

Some alchemy happens which I personally know nothing of.

By: james morrison

james morrison — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:22:26 +0000

Dear kranti
thank you
here is where i am coming from:
How do you know an enlightened person lives in bliss 24/7? (its a question i’m asking myself) Do you know osho and other masters aren’t lying and they only say it so you will stay on the path? Like the father lying to the kids that he has presents because its the only way to get them out of a burning house.
If, IF, you don’t know, then is it not better to just speak from your experience than from an assumed point of view which you haven’t experienced?
When gampopa approached Milarepa the great tibetan mystic the first thing milarepa asked him to do was eat meat and drink booze! This was to smash his pre-conceptions about what it is to be spiritual. one cannot be with a master if your tea cup is full. Or whatever they say will be twisted to fit with what one thinks is the way?